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    Quote Originally Posted by Demi777 View Post
    What I find cool is the Laminin protein/molecule. without it you cant live and people who lack it get very sick. look how its built up.



    In case u cannot read the definition of it:
    Laminin is an essential molecule that is found inside your DNA. Think of it as a glue that holds and keeps your body together.
    Yep, and this one of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Bible View Post
    That's a interesting topic to debate I was going to disagree but then I remember the Nephilims being the offsprings of Fallen Angels mating with woman (Genesis 6:4). So those giants probably were like already cursed to damnation from the get-go and are the demons that we know of today. It would also support like babies who are born with disablities or illness being from ancestry hereditary. I don't think God created him that way at all but they were definitely INFLUENCED SPIRITUALLY by they ancestors or parents. I am not all the way sure but good topic.
    Actually. Look again. Nowhere in the Bible does it say they are offspring of angels. I am a daughter of God and of humans. (It doesn't even say angels.)
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    How about discussing how to treat people with this particular sin problem the same as any other sinner? We are to love all mankind with the love of the Lord, hoping they too will receive God's mercy and grace to the point of salvation and accepting Jesus as their Lord.

    Who cares what they say. All men are liars. We all need to be born from above. Satan is the father of those who aren't born from above. He was our father before we were born again.

    My brother is homosexual. I speak to him occasionally. We've talked a lot about what the bible says. He still chooses to go his own way. But one thing he told me was out of all the other siblings (7 total) I'm the only one who cares about him or shows him love. My hope is that at some point in his life he'll bend the knee and give his life to the Lord.

    So as believers in the one and only Lord and Savior Jesus our Messiah, let's love all people into the kingdom. Let's be kind, having our speech seasoned with salt so that it will bring grace to the hearers.

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    I have found nothing but theories when people try to prove gays are born that way. Leaving me to believe its a temptation and a choice like any other sin that tempts us. https://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.php


    Here is the articles they used against me
    Being Gay Not a Choice: Science Contradicts Ben Carson



    BBC - Earth - Humans are nowhere near as special as we like to think

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Bible View Post
    60 and cranky haha well some people don't fully comprehend what God's word says and are still learning so they seek to their brethrens for help.
    20 and unwilling to think past your own POV. Got it. (My! How easy it is just to assume stuff about others and then blame the age. )
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    20 and unwilling to think past your own POV. Got it. (My! How easy it is just to assume stuff about others and then blame the age. )
    I was 20 once, man the world has gotten a whole lot smarter since then....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roughsoul1991 View Post
    Lol I was called delusional and simple minded because I relayed the word of God in to a secular argument.
    Unless you approach it right, that will be the outcome every time.. Not everyone is sent to them..
    I was bisexual until about 4 yrs ago.. So many variables that its futile to think one can enlighten them just bc it's the subject/ topic at hand and you may know the truth.. Their mind can't receive it unless God sent someone bc He knew they could..

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    Answer to original question.

    We were born sinners, thus sin. Each of us do choose which sin beguiles us and invest ourselves to that particular sin area. Homosexuality is no different than the rest of the list given in Romans 1:24-32. No different to gossips, the haughty, and the covetous. We are sinners, therefore we sin.

    And just as we wanted no choice the first time we were born, we want no choice in being born again. (John 3:16-21)

    What becomes of this? At first, we are all separated from God. What is the righteous punishment for our actions? Separation from God, death, and hell. What changes this? God gives some new life. Choice never did. Choice gave us our personalities -- how we "chose" to sin and how good we got at it.

    Proof from the Bible? The Book of Romans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    Actually. Look again. Nowhere in the Bible does it say they are offspring of angels. I am a daughter of God and of humans. (It doesn't even say angels.)
    Genesis 6:2 - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

    I do not believe God called any one son in the OT unlike the NT the Israelites were called the "chosen people" not sons. To this day not everybody can be called son of God only those who have confessed Christ via a sinners prayer so how could've they been sons without Jesus? The "sons of God" was a term used for the fallen angels/angels in the OT.

    Galatians (3:26-29) - For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    BTW I was just teasing :P
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    Want my theory on "Nephilims?" The word is used four times in all the ancient text scholars could find to translate up to the time of James Strong. Two of those times were in the bible. One before the flood and one after the flood. (Joshua and the dudes who spied on the promise land said there were Nephilims there.) From what they had at that time, the scholars best guess was it meant giant or feller. (No idea what a feller is. I did at one time, but forgot. lol)

    My guess? Neanderthals. Am I right? Who knows? But the word "angel" does have precedence in the Bible enough to get they are a species unto themselves, and that word wasn't used there.

    The theory you've been taught is about 175 years old. It's become its own sub-genre in fiction, but still no evidence it is to be considered seriously from a Biblical perspective.

    Then again? I'm not sure mine can hold water either, except in knowing homo sapiens probably weren't the only humans on earth since God created the Earth. It's a fun argument, but not to be time-consuming.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Bible View Post
    Genesis 6:2 - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

    I do not believe God called any one son in the OT unlike the NT the Israelites were called the "chosen people" not sons. To this day not everybody can be called son of God only those who have confessed Christ via a sinners prayer so how could've they been sons without Jesus? The "sons of God" was a term used for the fallen angels/angels in the OT.

    Galatians (3:26-29) - For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    BTW I was just teasing :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    Want my theory on "Nephilims?" The word is used four times in all the ancient text scholars could find to translate up to the time of James Strong. Two of those times were in the bible. One before the flood and one after the flood. (Joshua and the dudes who spied on the promise land said there were Nephilims there.) From what they had at that time, the scholars best guess was it meant giant or feller. (No idea what a feller is. I did at one time, but forgot. lol)

    My guess? Neanderthals. Am I right? Who knows? But the word "angel" does have precedence in the Bible enough to get they are a species unto themselves, and that word wasn't used there.

    The theory you've been taught is about 175 years old. It's become its own sub-genre in fiction, but still no evidence it is to be considered seriously from a Biblical perspective.

    Then again? I'm not sure mine can hold water either, except in knowing homo sapiens probably weren't the only humans on earth since God created the Earth. It's a fun argument, but not to be time-consuming.
    Neanderthals were regular humans with arthritis in the OT. Arthritis affects the joints of the bone which would make it look like a caveman (which never existed) and a human's facial cartilage never stops growing. So imagine a human living hundreds of years with a thickenin eyebrow ridge, overly grown nose, & bigger earlobes they would look deformed.
    John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Bible View Post
    Neanderthals were regular humans with arthritis in the OT. Arthritis affects the joints of the bone which would make it look like a caveman (which never existed) and a human's facial cartilage never stops growing. So imagine a human living hundreds of years with a thickenin eyebrow ridge, overly grown nose, & bigger earlobes they would look deformed.


    I have heard this theory, which does account for the bent over skeleton. However, as someone who suffers from both Rheumatoid Arthritis and Oestoarthritis secondary to the RA, I will say that my eyebrows are not thickened, my ear loves are not larger, nor is my nose overgrown. I have a cousin who has had RA osteoarthritis and now osteoporosis for 63 years. She doesn't have a Neaderthal face either.

    This is pure hookum. Arthritis does not change the shape of your face, because it does not attack it. It attacks the joints in the body. Just ignorant.

    PS. Yes, I do believe in a short earth creation, but not in these feeble attempts to explain things in a poor way.
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    my tongue will form words on my palate.
    3 My words come from my upright heart,
    and my lips speak with sincerity what they know.
    4 The Spirit of God has made me,
    and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
    5 Refute me if you can.
    Prepare your case against me; take your stand.
    6 I am just like you before God" Job 33:2-6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela53510 View Post
    I have heard this theory, which does account for the bent over skeleton. However, as someone who suffers from both Rheumatoid Arthritis and Oestoarthritis secondary to the RA, I will say that my eyebrows are not thickened, my ear loves are not larger, nor is my nose overgrown. I have a cousin who has had RA osteoarthritis and now osteoporosis for 63 years. She doesn't have a Neaderthal face either.

    This is pure hookum. Arthritis does not change the shape of your face, because it does not attack it. It attacks the joints in the body. Just ignorant.

    PS. Yes, I do believe in a short earth creation, but not in these feeble attempts to explain things in a poor way.
    Haha did you get this from Kent Hovind? The man is a genius. And no I was not saying that arthritis causes changes in face or, rather so quick like in life span from 1-100 but rather that the bones of the face NEVER stop growing making those who lived for long years like 300-900 look like cavemens or any other old "species" evolutionist try to claim.
    John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell725 View Post
    Both. Some people are born gay whether through genetics or demonic influence from the womb but practicing homosexuality is a choice. The Bible says that the children of the righteous are protected so those who are born out of immorality of evil parents can be attacked by demons due to lack of protection from God.

    Matthew 19:14English Standard Version (ESV)

    14 but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”

    All children are considered pure in the eyes of god until they begin to know the differences between right and wrong. Generation curses are old testament and no longer apply to the new mercy and love of Jesus.


    John 9:1-3English Standard Version (ESV)

    Jesus Heals a Man Born Blind

    9 As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him.

    Demons have to be invited to latch on to a soul. A sinless unborn child or infant can not sin and as Jesus has said belongs to heaven. Belongs to him!


    James 2:19Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

    19 You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe—and they shudder.

    Demons flee from Jesus at his command but also are under his judgment. A human who is called to belong to him and heaven are only tempted by demons to sin. By no means are forced. Demons can not reside in the body of Christ. The light abolishes the dark.


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    When we are born, we are born into a world of sin. We are born as sinners but we are in control of what sins we commit.
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    It does not matter if someone is born a certain way or someone makes a choice to be a certain way...

    What matters is if something is a transgression against Gods will...

    The act of homosexuality is a clear abomination against the will of God and is sin that needs to be atoned for by the Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ just as every other sin that we humans are cursed with because of our fallen natures..

    Trying to justify sin by saying we are born sinners just does not cut it where Christianity is concerned because by believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement that he secured for our salvation we who believe shall be justified.. Trying to support the notion that sin is no longer sin because someone was born that way is promoting people to deny that their sins are sins and thereby causing them to not be forgiven for that sin that they do not acknowledge to God..

    In the end people will not be cast into the eternal lake of fire because they sinned.. They will be cast into the eternal lake of fire because their sins are forgiven.. Seeking to justify sins is a sure fire way to ensure that those sins shall not have forgiveness.. But being humble towards the Will of God and acknowledging your sins to God and trusting in the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ is a sure way to Eternal life with God in His perfect eternal existence..

    So don't resist the expressed will of God.. Acknowledge all His declarations about sin to be truth and good and acknowledge all your transgressions against His will as being sins in need of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. And keep trusting in that wonderful gift of His atonement for your sins..

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    God tells us in the Bible it is a sin. Maybe some people are born with a tendency to be attracted to the same sex. I think we are all born with a tendency to sin in one way or another. But a tendency is not a sin. What we allow our thoughts to focus on and the decisions we make, if they don't honor God, is what is sinful.
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    I really wish this thread was in the Bible discussion forum. It doesn't belong in the family forum.

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    Earlier, you said you were joking with your attitude.

    No, you weren't. Here's a clue. The 20 year old thinks he is teaching people who have been with the Lord for twice as long as he's been alive. Skip our age. Catch how long we've been studying God's word. THEN check the attitude at the door.

    And now you're arguing with a pastor who studies the Bible on bad days for only two hours. Her good days give her much longer to study.

    Titus 2:1-9. We're all in there.

    As for your latest guess, the striking characteristic of Neanderthal is their stocky, bulky build. You've brought this down to skulls only. I can vouch that I have stopped physically growing. I'm shrinking. I've lost 1.25 inches already. And throughout all this, I have not gone from medium-boned to big-boned. I'd like to blame the weight on big-boned, but can't. And scientists, even evolutionists, can tell the difference between arthritis calcification and bone growth.

    If you want to start yet another pointless discussion on evolution, please do so. This thread isn't about that.

    (For all others lurking. No, I don't have problems with 20 year olds. I was one. I've learned some great things from young folks, both before I was 20, and after. One of the best sermons I've ever heard came from a 22 year old and still rings true today. But this attitude is what I dislike about some who are new in the Lord. I'm just not a safety-pin kinda gal.)

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Bible View Post
    Haha did you get this from Kent Hovind? The man is a genius. And no I was not saying that arthritis causes changes in face or, rather so quick like in life span from 1-100 but rather that the bones of the face NEVER stop growing making those who lived for long years like 300-900 look like cavemens or any other old "species" evolutionist try to claim.
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    It is a choice,not an identity.You r born a male or female.God would not create a person to be born in the sin that he calls an abomination to him.We are born into sin because of Adam.Because of this fallen world sin surrounds us,or temptation,its sexual sin,most of us have fallen into it,it might not be same sex,but to God sin is sin.God bless.For More info look up Hank hanagraff,he is the bible answer man.He also has a person name Joe on his show,who was gay and was delivered ,he is an expert on the subject,google him.Im sorry,i dont know his last name.But he is so loving,kind,annointed ,knowledgeable when he talks about the subject.Jeshuvan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenner View Post
    I really wish this thread was in the Bible discussion forum. It doesn't belong in the family forum.
    I'm sorry the geographics of my post bothers you lol
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