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    I believe as all you guys that they have a choice. I was defending this thought against a guy who thinks some gays are born that way and that in the end we are all just animals. So you can see how hard of a time I had explaining Gods way to this guy when he was trying to use so-called science to explain his opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roughsoul1991 View Post
    I believe as all you guys that they have a choice. I was defending this thought against a guy who thinks some gays are born that way and that in the end we are all just animals. So you can see how hard of a time I had explaining Gods way to this guy when he was trying to use so-called science to explain his opinion.
    Yea bro that's the wicked theory of evolution indoctrinated into that person's brain. If you want to learn science that's comprehendible for a 8th grader check our Kent Hovind debates or his creation seminars. Ken Ham's answersingenesis.com website is good too but I like Kent better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Bible View Post
    Yea bro that's the wicked theory of evolution indoctrinated into that person's brain. If you want to learn science that's comprehendible for a 8th grader check our Kent Hovind debates or his creation seminars. Ken Ham's answersingenesis.com website is good too but I like Kent better.

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    The common evolutionary biological argument to justify homosexuality runs as follows:

    Homosexual behavior has been observed in most animal species studied, and the higher we climb on the taxonomic tree toward mammals, the more apparent homosexual behaviour we see.4

    Such claims are often made from a limited understanding of the natural world. For example, in response to the above common claim, Symons notes:

    In Judeo-Christian theology, unlike evolutionary biology, there is no disjunction between ultimate and proximate; on the contrary, ultimate and proximate are intimately and immediately related. What one ought to do, for example, is a direct function of God’s will. Despite the absence of God in most scientific writing, the implicit belief that nature constitutes a moral order frequently persists. Thus writers with tolerant or positive views about homosexuality often begin their discussions by emphasizing the frequency with which non-human animals and preliterate peoples engage in homosexual activities, implying that homosexuality is natural and hence acceptable. Writers with less sanguine views of homosexuality point out that a great deal of mounting among non-human animals is not sexually motivated, that homosexual behavior is more frequent among captive than among free-ranging animals, and that exclusive homosexuality is rare among preliterate peoples, implying that homosexuality is unnatural and hence unacceptable.5

    Further, homosexual
    behaviour among animals is engaged in for a variety of reasons having nothing to do with sex. In many cases it is only a ‘ritualized form of aggression’.6

    Although the full set of causes of homosexual behaviour is not yet understood, a creationist orientation provides a theoretical foundation to both understand and help persons with this problem. The present approach used to understand and help homosexuals adjust to a heterosexual life has obviously not been very fruitful; most studies show a very low ‘cure’ rate.7,8

    The creationist viewpoint would also conclude that homosexuality is not due to normal biological factors that differentiate them from heterosexuals. The Creator-designed sexual orientation is heterosexual, and any deviation from this must be due to an aberration in either biological or psychological development. Importantly, this view can provide prevention advice and guidelines for child care so as to facilitate sexual adjustment. In fact, the common belief that one is ‘either a heterosexual or a homosexual’ and that physical or other clear reasons for this difference usually exist is not supported by research.9,10 The empirical research evidence indicates that for most people the sexual drive exists in a diffuse state in the early stages, solidifying only much later. Sexual development occurs primarily between the second year of life and the onset of puberty. During the first few
    years it is rather undefined and can develop through learning so that it can be stimulated, or at least influenced, by a wide variety of objects, although at first the primary stimulus is tactile stimulation of the genital area.11


    Thus children’s sexual development is highly influenced by early experiences in a process similar to imprinting.12 This system enables a person to become sexually attracted to their own race, national group or culture.13 Thus, Chinese men generally find Chinese women most erotic. Black men relate to black women in the same way, etc. This is not to say that people cannot find those in other groups attractive, but that the preference tends to be towards one’s own national and cultural group. Because the original sexual drive is diffuse, it can thus be conditioned in many different directions.14


    For this reason, a variety of experiences, many of which have little to do with the person himself or herself, can cause one to become a homosexual, depending on the degree that one’s early diffuse sex drive is conditioned toward persons of the same sex and away from persons of the opposite sex. Holmes noted that

    In many women, particularly, sexual attraction tends to follow on the heels of strong emotional attachments with partners of either sex.15

    Thus this gradual process can occur if the proper conditions—which are extremely diverse, and not yet fully delineated by research—exist. We are all susceptible to homosexual conditioning, at least until our sex drive becomes fairly solidified.16 The longer an orientation is rewarded and successfully persists, the more difficult it is to change. In addition, if one fully believes that homosexuality is ‘part of me, the way I am’,similar to one’s having black hair, change is obviously going to be more difficult. If one has concluded that most homosexuality is learned or acquired due to pathological biological factors because of a specific set of abnormal circumstances which influence development, as creationist psychology theory would predict, the person will recognize that the homosexual can change, even though it may be difficult.17

    https://answersingenesis.org/family/homosexuality/creationism-and-the-problem-of-homosexual-behaviour/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    It does not matter if someone is born a certain way or someone makes a choice to be a certain way...

    What matters is if something is a transgression against Gods will...

    The act of homosexuality is a clear abomination against the will of God and is sin that needs to be atoned for by the Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ just as every other sin that we humans are cursed with because of our fallen natures..

    Trying to justify sin by saying we are born sinners just does not cut it where Christianity is concerned because by believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement that he secured for our salvation we who believe shall be justified.. Trying to support the notion that sin is no longer sin because someone was born that way is promoting people to deny that their sins are sins and thereby causing them to not be forgiven for that sin that they do not acknowledge to God..

    In the end people will not be cast into the eternal lake of fire because they sinned.. They will be cast into the eternal lake of fire because their sins are NOT forgiven.. Seeking to justify sins is a sure fire way to ensure that those sins shall not have forgiveness.. But being humble towards the Will of God and acknowledging your sins to God and trusting in the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ is a sure way to Eternal life with God in His perfect eternal existence..

    So don't resist the expressed will of God.. Acknowledge all His declarations about sin to be truth and good and acknowledge all your transgressions against His will as being sins in need of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ.. And keep trusting in that wonderful gift of His atonement for your sins..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roughsoul1991 View Post
    I believe as all you guys that they have a choice. I was defending this thought against a guy who thinks some gays are born that way and that in the end we are all just animals. So you can see how hard of a time I had explaining Gods way to this guy when he was trying to use so-called science to explain his opinion.
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    I thought about being gay once.... but then I found out that gays get friendzoned too.


    You know what's interesting about gay men? Women are attracted to them! Hmmm maybe that's why I thought about it....
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    I have definitely stirred up the people around me for voicing Gods word on this matter. People are saying I am homophobic but it's a funny response to Gods word to call the messenger words that portray the heart of the name calling speaker. I personally do not hate the person but I do not like what they stand for. People say they deserve human rights too. That's fine but in no way should there rights affect schools and businesses. It should only remain a personal choice and remain a personal choice for Christians to legally be allowed to not have to support this act against God. Preachers should be able to choose to marry gays and Christian businesses should be allowed to deny gays certain business.
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    We are all made tselem Elohim (to the image of God) so it is a choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roughsoul1991 View Post
    I have found nothing but theories when people try to prove gays are born that way. Leaving me to believe its a temptation and a choice like any other sin that tempts us. https://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.php


    Here is the articles they used against me
    Being Gay Not a Choice: Science Contradicts Ben Carson



    BBC - Earth - Humans are nowhere near as special as we like to think
    Why in the name of everything that is holy do you people have to keep bringing up this subject, I'm this close to asphyxiating a smurf.

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    [QUOftTE=realchild;2869411]Why in the name of everything that is holy do you people have to keep bringing up this subject, I'm this close to asphyxiating a smurf.[/QUOTE]
    What do you mean "keep bringing this up"? You've been here less than a week.

    My opinion is that the question posed is completely irrelevant. Whether born that way, or a choice to act on feelings, we ALL need Jesus Christ!

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    Earlier, you said you were joking with your attitude.

    No, you weren't. Here's a clue. The 20 year old thinks he is teaching people who have been with the Lord for twice as long as he's been alive. Skip our age. Catch how long we've been studying God's word. THEN check the attitude at the door.

    And now you're arguing with a pastor who studies the Bible on bad days for only two hours. Her good days give her much longer to study.

    Titus 2:1-9. We're all in there.

    As for your latest guess, the striking characteristic of Neanderthal is their stocky, bulky build. You've brought this down to skulls only. I can vouch that I have stopped physically growing. I'm shrinking. I've lost 1.25 inches already. And throughout all this, I have not gone from medium-boned to big-boned. I'd like to blame the weight on big-boned, but can't. And scientists, even evolutionists, can tell the difference between arthritis calcification and bone growth.

    If you want to start yet another pointless discussion on evolution, please do so. This thread isn't about that.

    (For all others lurking. No, I don't have problems with 20 year olds. I was one. I've learned some great things from young folks, both before I was 20, and after. One of the best sermons I've ever heard came from a 22 year old and still rings true today. But this attitude is what I dislike about some who are new in the Lord. I'm just not a safety-pin kinda gal.)
    20 year Olds have a voice also. I guess you have never came across someone older who doesn't have a clue? I think your comment to him was inappropriate and rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeroturbulence View Post
    I thought about being gay once.... but then I found out that gays get friendzoned too.


    You know what's interesting about gay men? Women are attracted to them! Hmmm maybe that's why I thought about it....
    I don't think so lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realchild View Post
    Why in the name of everything that is holy do you people have to keep bringing up this subject, I'm this close to asphyxiating a smurf.
    Why do you ask? Because this subject is one of the key issues Christians are facing today. Look at the term Merry Christmas and we wonder how did it become offensive. Well, its because we Christians didn't voice our opinions and let it become 2 words that are now a symbol of disrespect to someone else's belief. Until te word of God prevails over this nonsense then we must remain sharp on secular arguments. You can not debate a defense on the word of God without accurately knowing the argument that you are being faced with. If we as Christians do not educate ourselves on the tactics and lies of the devil then how are we suppose to wisely choose the correct weapon or correct action? I posted this thread to help me with my apologetics so that I may teach the word of God in the most intelligent way I can. If I come across as weak or lacking in knowledge then that may portray my faith only making the defense of God look weak. This is a big deal to me. This thread may not be important to all who believe but to me, it helps me update my mind on other believers opinions and links to sites helping me create a strong argument against the belief of the gay gene. They are teaching this stuff to our kids and they are believing every piece of it. Just like my example above if we are not proactive against these issues then we very well may see the gay gene being taught in school. Just like we didn't see the importance to defend merry Christmas and now it has become an issue of debate between right and wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    Earlier, you said you were joking with your attitude.

    No, you weren't. Here's a clue. The 20 year old thinks he is teaching people who have been with the Lord for twice as long as he's been alive. Skip our age. Catch how long we've been studying God's word. THEN check the attitude at the door.

    And now you're arguing with a pastor who studies the Bible on bad days for only two hours. Her good days give her much longer to study.

    Titus 2:1-9. We're all in there.

    As for your latest guess, the striking characteristic of Neanderthal is their stocky, bulky build. You've brought this down to skulls only. I can vouch that I have stopped physically growing. I'm shrinking. I've lost 1.25 inches already. And throughout all this, I have not gone from medium-boned to big-boned. I'd like to blame the weight on big-boned, but can't. And scientists, even evolutionists, can tell the difference between arthritis calcification and bone growth.

    If you want to start yet another pointless discussion on evolution, please do so. This thread isn't about that.

    (For all others lurking. No, I don't have problems with 20 year olds. I was one. I've learned some great things from young folks, both before I was 20, and after. One of the best sermons I've ever heard came from a 22 year old and still rings true today. But this attitude is what I dislike about some who are new in the Lord. I'm just not a safety-pin kinda gal.)
    I didn't even notice you answered, haha what does my age have to do with commenting that your 60 and cranky? It obviously was a joke meant to be witty not malicious LOL. The reply was bc you asked the person on the thread why ask this question, so i stated maybe bc he doesn't know? So how in any way does someone need years of study to have logical sense? I am not new as i was raised a christian, have uncles that goes on Christian radio, cousins who envangelises round world and done miracles, so i don't see the point in showing off "feats".

    Again, ya are misinterpretating what i wrote, I said the arthritis woud have affected their back causing them to be a hunchback Igor which woud make em look like some cavemans. Then, BECAUSE people used to live so long and were still HEALTHY NOT "DECAYING" their facial bone structure would have thicken and kept growing. Obviously that does not happen now bc is hard to even live up to 100. The era of the OT was not the same as modern 2000s or even 1000s that is why I tried explaining neanderthals. The person who started this thread said the others used evolution to justify homosexuality.
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    Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    God has said that it is a choice. Care to argue with God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    Romans 1:19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    God has said that it is a choice. Care to argue with God?

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    I'm on the fence about this one. I've seen kids as young as nine or ten years old who already act feminine. It seems a bit odd that someone would deliberately choose a lifestyle that is going to make him have to endure all types of hatred and bigotry from people. In some countries it's actually illegal to be gay. On the other hand some people become homosexual due to conditioning. A lot of women are lesbian because they have been mistreated and abused by men
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude653 View Post
    I'm on the fence about this one. I've seen kids as young as nine or ten years old who already act feminine. It seems a bit odd that someone would deliberately choose a lifestyle that is going to make him have to endure all types of hatred and bigotry from people. In some countries it's actually illegal to be gay. On the other hand some people become homosexual due to conditioning. A lot of women are lesbian because they have been mistreated and abused by men
    The fact that some people act this way at a young age is in no way proof of it being genetic. I stole my sisters clothing and pretended that I was a girl as early as 3 years old. I have since left that life back in 2014.

    Everyone has fantasies and desires, even little children. Its also completely normal for children to experiment with gendered things, such as clothes and dolls, ect. And most children who claim they want to be the other gender eventually drop the feelings and act their gender as they get older.

    As for sexuality, no one is born with a sexuality. I did not feel that I was homosexual until my mid teens. I did not feel sexual attraction to anyone until that point.

    People follow whats most pleasing to them. Thats why people become greedy, lustful, gluttonous, lazy, prideful ect. It is not because their genes force them to become this way.

    And many people choose a life that will lead to them being hated. There are people who choose to become openly racist, knowing they will not be liked for it. There are people who give their lives too Christ in nations that persecute and kill people for this choice. They did not make this choice because their genes forced them to.
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    Why in the name of everything that is holy do you people have to keep bringing up this subject, I'm this close to asphyxiating a smurf.

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    I'd say more often than not, something happens (big or small) in a child's life, that subconsciously they start developing these feelings. However, the human mind is also a complex thing. There are chemical imbalances that cause mental illnesses. Homosexuality used to be classified as a mental disorder. To fully disclaim homosexuality is a disorder is wrong, considering there is so much about the human brain we don't know. So I do believe it's possible for someone being born with a desire for the same gender. Does this mean the person acts out? Of course not. Just a like someone with bipolar doesn't act out on their disorder, nor do those with anxiety and depression. I believe this is the minority, though, and that most homosexuals are gay do to some kind of trauma or reason caused by society.

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