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lv2ski

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That's the great thing though about people we all have different opinions so people can do their own homework to see which sounds more biblical
Nothing is more biblical than the straight up word of God. Most of the bible is just read and do. It's so simple, we can't accept it.
 

Roughsoul1991

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You're studying man's theology, not God's Word. Which was the problem when Jesus was walking the earth. Divorce was only okd by Jesus in the gospels upon adultery

“Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
Matthew 5:31*-‬32 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/mat.5.31-32.NKJV

In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul says, if the unbeliever wants to leave, let him leave. That doesn't mean that you reciprocate. You just let them leave. Don't share in their d sins. You stay right w with God, regardless of what anyone else does or does not do.
Okay and what is a covenant? The Idea of Covenant. The term "covenant" is of Latin origin (con venire), meaning a coming together. It presupposes two or more parties who come together to make a contract, agreeing on promises, stipulations, privileges, and responsibilities. So what is vows? Dearly Beloved, we are assembled here in the presence of God, to join ___________ and ___________ , in holy marriage; which is instituted of God, regulated by His commandments, blessed by our Lord Jesus Christ, and to be hold in honor among all men. Let us therefore reverently remember that God has established and sanctified marriage, for the welfare and happiness of mankind. Our Savior has declared that a man shall leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his wife.

By His apostles, He has instructed those who enter into this relation to cherish a mutual esteem and love; to bear with each other's infirmities and weaknesses; and to comfort each other in sickness, trouble, and sorrow; in honesty and industry to provide for each other, and for their household, in temporal things; to pray for and encourage each other in things which pertain to God; and to live together as the heirs of the grace of life.

What does adultery mean biblically? adultery There are three types of adultery spoken of in the Bible: SEXUAL ADULTERY—“Conjugal infidelity. An adulterer was a man who had sexual intercourse with a woman he was not married to, either a married woman or one who was engaged to be married. A woman who did the same thing was an adulteress. Adultery is fornication. The Bible regards adultery as a great sin and a great social wrong. It has been inferred from John 8:1-11 that this sin became very common during the age preceding the destruction of Jerusalem.” Author: Matthew G. Easton. ADULTERY WITHOUT SEXUAL INTERCOURSE—The Bible speaks of “wanton eyes” (Isa. 3:16), “eyes full of adultery” (2 Pet. 2:14), and “the lust of the eyes” (1 John 2:16). Jesus Christ warned, “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart.” As with the breaking of any of the Ten Commandments, those who are not washed in the blood of Jesus Christ will have to pay the penalty. They will not enter the Kingdom of God. Punishment for transgression of this Commandment is the death penalty. Author: Ray Comfort. SPIRITUAL ADULTERY—Idolatry, covetousness, and apostasy are spoken of as spiritual adultery (Jer. 3:6, 8-9; Ezek. 16:32; Hos. 1:2-3; Rev. 2:22). An apostate church is an adulteress (Isa. 1:21; Ezek. 23:4, 7, 37), and the Jews are described “an adulterous generation” (Matt. 12:39) (compare Rev. 12).

Read more at: Adultery • WebBible Encyclopedia • ChristianAnswers.Net

So you see Greek language has many meaning for adultery than just our blunt English version.
 

Roughsoul1991

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And I am only implying that their marriage was biblical. Meaning if Joe and Jane get married by Elvis then they are only held by the state and not a covenant of God.
 

lv2ski

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Vows can be broken in 3 different ways.
Again you're quoting men. In the passage I quoted they were trying to get Jesus to give them a reason for divorce, and He said except for the case of sexual immorality, you commit/cause adultery. In another part of the gospels He says that moses have adultery as an option because of the hardness of their hearts. Just like you stated, we're supposed to be forgiving one another, being patient with one another. He defines it as sexual immorality, not adultery. Very clear what His reference is. You don't end your marriage over lustful thoughts or strayng spiritually. You'retalking about destroying your christian witness and the home of your children. Don't forget that.

But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
John 4:23*-‬24 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/jhn.4.23-24.NKJV

Knowing the scriptures without having understandingof the character and person of the Lord is exactly what the pharisees got in trouble for.
 
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lollylee

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The Bible says, when you've done all to stand, stand therefore,.... gird yourself right now. Meaning, build yourself up in the LORD, hearing from Him isn't hard if you will be silent and alone. Don't go running around seeking the comfort of man. Be alone and silent.

Why did you leave if he's already gone? You have the upper hand. There is no reason to leave if he's gone. I think your seeking emotional support, and it's going to cost you. People say they don't care about the house, car or the material, etc... problem is, your creditors do and they will come after you and you will be sorry. You want to appear to the judge and child custody evaluator as stable and sound and responsible. If he abandoned his family, you will be justified in the end, but don't bale.

God has you. Wait for Him..... I've been there on this one, I'm sharing from my own heart, not my head.
Thank you for all of your comments, it was actually 4 months ago that he came to me and my daughter (15yo his stepdaughter) and told us he was leaving. He came back a month later after an atty told him to go back home and told me he wanted a divorce, and he no longer loved me. I stayed up until 2 days ago, during those 3 months, he didn't speak to me or the kids the whole time. When my daughter cried to him "you are the only father I have, please talk to me" he responded with "I'm sorry, I cant talk to you, I have to protect myself" (in his mind, for court I assume) but she became extremely depressed and before he left for a week, he told me he hated this family, I was so angry that I kicked a microwave that was laying on the floor that he was so concerned about (but not us) and he than used that stupid action of mine (which I regret) and called the police on me hoping to get an upperhand in divorce or something. They made him leave and he chose to stay gone for a week rather than a day, he never contacted us, during that time, the faucet broke and I had to turn off the main water cause I didn't know what to do and he was nowhere to be found. I than determined it was too damaging for the kids and I to be around that atmosphere and for the last year, he locked me from all access to any money. It was getting pretty rough for all of us and I knew I needed to heal for awhile. I thought a break might be necessary, but I was than given divorce papers.
I really don't have the upper hand, I don't think. I feel like it's all his moves, I just sit back and watch him destroy us all for whatever reason. I truly feel that the devil has a strong hold on him. this is not the man I knew. its so sad, and I just wonder, at what point, would God want us to move forward? I never wanted any of this. I am just lost.
 

lv2ski

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And I am only implying that their marriage was biblical. Meaning if Joe and Jane get married by Elvis then they are only held by the state and not a covenant of God.
Not if elvis is legally authorized to perform marriages. Whatever the custom of the state or culture, when two people are bound in matrimony, that's binding.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Thank you for all of your comments, it was actually 4 months ago that he came to me and my daughter (15yo his stepdaughter) and told us he was leaving. He came back a month later after an atty told him to go back home and told me he wanted a divorce, and he no longer loved me. I stayed up until 2 days ago, during those 3 months, he didn't speak to me or the kids the whole time. When my daughter cried to him "you are the only father I have, please talk to me" he responded with "I'm sorry, I cant talk to you, I have to protect myself" (in his mind, for court I assume) but she became extremely depressed and before he left for a week, he told me he hated this family, I was so angry that I kicked a microwave that was laying on the floor that he was so concerned about (but not us) and he than used that stupid action of mine (which I regret) and called the police on me hoping to get an upperhand in divorce or something. They made him leave and he chose to stay gone for a week rather than a day, he never contacted us, during that time, the faucet broke and I had to turn off the main water cause I didn't know what to do and he was nowhere to be found. I than determined it was too damaging for the kids and I to be around that atmosphere and for the last year, he locked me from all access to any money. It was getting pretty rough for all of us and I knew I needed to heal for awhile. I thought a break might be necessary, but I was than given divorce papers.
I really don't have the upper hand, I don't think. I feel like it's all his moves, I just sit back and watch him destroy us all for whatever reason. I truly feel that the devil has a strong hold on him. this is not the man I knew. its so sad, and I just wonder, at what point, would God want us to move forward? I never wanted any of this. I am just lost.
So very sad I could not imagine telling my kids that. Wow. But If I was you I would pray and meditate on what's been said and then feel what holy Spirit is guiding you to do. Obviously I feel like everything I said to be correct but others see it as only cheating sexual with another other than their married partner is the only reason for devorce. But there is many Scripture related to adultery other than just sexual acts.

But a man like that should not be around you and your kids. The phycological affects on your children will be life damaging.
 

lv2ski

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Thank you for all of your comments, it was actually 4 months ago that he came to me and my daughter (15yo his stepdaughter) and told us he was leaving. He came back a month later after an atty told him to go back home and told me he wanted a divorce, and he no longer loved me. I stayed up until 2 days ago, during those 3 months, he didn't speak to me or the kids the whole time. When my daughter cried to him "you are the only father I have, please talk to me" he responded with "I'm sorry, I cant talk to you, I have to protect myself" (in his mind, for court I assume) but she became extremely depressed and before he left for a week, he told me he hated this family, I was so angry that I kicked a microwave that was laying on the floor that he was so concerned about (but not us) and he than used that stupid action of mine (which I regret) and called the police on me hoping to get an upperhand in divorce or something. They made him leave and he chose to stay gone for a week rather than a day, he never contacted us, during that time, the faucet broke and I had to turn off the main water cause I didn't know what to do and he was nowhere to be found. I than determined it was too damaging for the kids and I to be around that atmosphere and for the last year, he locked me from all access to any money. It was getting pretty rough for all of us and I knew I needed to heal for awhile. I thought a break might be necessary, but I was than given divorce papers.
I really don't have the upper hand, I don't think. I feel like it's all his moves, I just sit back and watch him destroy us all for whatever reason. I truly feel that the devil has a strong hold on him. this is not the man I knew. its so sad, and I just wonder, at what point, would God want us to move forward? I never wanted any of this. I am just lost.
Gosh!!!! I'm so sorry. What an..... well you know.

You're in better shape than you feel. You now have a documented incident. There's three things that matter in court, documents, documents and documents. Remember, he isn't your friend. Keep a journal, because you won't remember everything. The judge will most likely look at it. Don't give in and don't let him back in. I think after 72 hours, you don't have to. But don't give in, stay on the narrow way, don't let him wear you down, nor beat you down. You don't owe him reconciliation without repentance. You can forgive without restoring trust. Be strong.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Again you're quoting men. In the passage I quoted they were trying to get Jesus to give them a reason for divorce, and He said except for the case of sexual immorality, you commit/cause adultery. In another part of the gospels He says that moses have adultery as an option because of the hardness of their hearts. Just like you stated, we're supposed to be forgiving one another, being patient with one another. He defines it as sexual immorality, not adultery. Very clear what His reference is. You don't end your marriage over lustful thoughts or strayng spiritually. You'retalking about destroying your christian witness and the home of your children. Don't forget that.

But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
John 4:23*-‬24 NKJV
http://bible.com/114/jhn.4.23-24.NKJV

Knowing the scriptures without having understandingof the character and person of the Lord is exactly what the pharisees got in trouble for.
Lol like men could make that up. It's all there biblically. The reason why I pulled definitions, examples, and Scripture explaining the 3 different meanings of adultery. But I can see this will not end in agreement other yes sexual adultery is definitely a good reason to divorce. No since in debating when the mind is made up. I use to say the same thing as you until I tried to speak to my preacher as like I knew. And he got me all digging into the original language and the importance of vows to uphold a covenant.
 
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Ariel82

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Online you will get a lot of different opinions, but you have the Holy Spirit and He tells you the truth in your heart.

I found having someone to listen to and pray with me face to face helps. Do you have a church close to where you live who has an active Stephen's ministry? They train people to walk side by side with others in prayer and one on one meetings.

Will keep you and your family in prayer. It might not look like it now, but perhaps those divorce papers are a blessing in disguise and you can have the freedom you need to become the woman God wants you to be.
 

notuptome

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1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

If he is a child of God then pray God sends him judgment. Chastening and tribulation to bring him back to God. He cannot come back to you and the kids as long as he is running from God.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

JosephsDreams

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Thank you for all of your comments, it was actually 4 months ago that he came to me and my daughter (15yo his stepdaughter) and told us he was leaving. He came back a month later after an atty told him to go back home and told me he wanted a divorce, and he no longer loved me. I stayed up until 2 days ago, during those 3 months, he didn't speak to me or the kids the whole time. When my daughter cried to him "you are the only father I have, please talk to me" he responded with "I'm sorry, I cant talk to you, I have to protect myself" (in his mind, for court I assume) but she became extremely depressed and before he left for a week, he told me he hated this family, I was so angry that I kicked a microwave that was laying on the floor that he was so concerned about (but not us) and he than used that stupid action of mine (which I regret) and called the police on me hoping to get an upperhand in divorce or something. They made him leave and he chose to stay gone for a week rather than a day, he never contacted us, during that time, the faucet broke and I had to turn off the main water cause I didn't know what to do and he was nowhere to be found. I than determined it was too damaging for the kids and I to be around that atmosphere and for the last year, he locked me from all access to any money. It was getting pretty rough for all of us and I knew I needed to heal for awhile. I thought a break might be necessary, but I was than given divorce papers.
I really don't have the upper hand, I don't think. I feel like it's all his moves, I just sit back and watch him destroy us all for whatever reason. I truly feel that the devil has a strong hold on him. this is not the man I knew. its so sad, and I just wonder, at what point, would God want us to move forward? I never wanted any of this. I am just lost.
The part of your children; it is just overwhelmingly sad. I will pray for this.
 

Dai3234

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Bad things happen. We lose loved ones in life and death. It is best to deal with all these things as God may do. It's probably best not to have an ugly breakup, resisting all his demands, thinking badly of him. It will only make you change and be negative and out of sync with God. It may be best to converse with your child as to what and why this is happening. More than once so they become less traumatised and become negative about marriage later in life. Just accept bad things happen, and little or nothing you can do but pray for him and your family. But not selfishly praying to stay together. Just to pray in regards to God and his will, not yours. God may or may not want you to be together. You may come back together later on, but it is best not to cling to potentially selfish hopes and prayers. Pray for many things, your child to be OK, your provision to be met, and be thankful for what you have, have had, and hopefully it will all go through with less stress, with you trusting God. I pray the best happens for all three of you in Jesus name amen.
 
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I respect your sstraight forward response and there's lots to agree with here. I can't change his mind, but I always will believe with prayer, God could change his heart. The reason I pray is because I didn't want to be one of those who give up so easily. I agree 100% on how people give up way too easily these days, and I hear this a lot, which is why I continued to pray and hope, I was willing to forgive and try and try and try to keep my promise to God of my vows that I honored to the very end. But you are right, if only one person is trying, it's hard to keep being shot down by the one you (never stopped) loving. It's hard when one person gives up, because it is their free will, which is the problem with divorce. It is hard to let go of something that God disagrees with.
I respect your fight and devotion to your marriage. We need more people willing to put strong commitment to their marriage. And hoping, through prayer, someone will change is fine. But God can't change a heart that isn't willing. He can only attempt to being about circumstances that will bring someone to a place where they are willing to change. But some people refuse. Often times that results in others being hurt.
I'm glad, though, that things are clicking for you. That is the first step to moving on and healing, which is critical for you, and your children. I hope in the midst of all this sadness God still works some good for you.
 
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I respect your sstraight forward response and there's lots to agree with here. I can't change his mind, but I always will believe with prayer, God could change his heart. The reason I pray is because I didn't want to be one of those who give up so easily. I agree 100% on how people give up way too easily these days, and I hear this a lot, which is why I continued to pray and hope, I was willing to forgive and try and try and try to keep my promise to God of my vows that I honored to the very end. But you are right, if only one person is trying, it's hard to keep being shot down by the one you (never stopped) loving. It's hard when one person gives up, because it is their free will, which is the problem with divorce. It is hard to let go of something that God disagrees with.
If you're dangling on a piece of rope, you have a choice on what to do. If the rope breaks while you are dangling, the choice has been made for you.

You live in a no-fault state and have been served your divorce papers. The rope broke. Choice has been removed from you. You can let go of the rope now. (Concentrate on the landing, because it's a doozy.)

Lord, please help Lollylee through this. It's a hard way to go. And help her and her children. Amen.
 
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http://http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/issue07/divorce.htm

I say what I have studied I take very serious in what I say. God would not want someone to live in a relationship filled with hate. Vows uphold the covenant but I do know so many people condemn people for facing devorce but the devorce has already happened between the covenant they vowed between God. But hey sometimes it takes a fire to make the guy realize what truly matters and if not oh well, he doesn't want to uphold his vows breaking the covenant.
Try not to tell what God will and won't do, if you don't know what he has already done -- Hosea.