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Hi Fran,
Cute picture by the way. Daughter?
The Lord determines what His servant is to be and what the qualifications are. Not me or you. I'm only reading God's word and Joel doesn't come up to snuff as they use to say.
He doesn't reprove, rebuke, exhort or correct. He won't.....he said he won't. It's not his calling. So if it isn't his calling, why is he preaching/teaching if he's not going to teach all of God's word?
In obedience to God and His word, he can't leave out what he doesn't like. When he isn't preaching according to God's rules, he becomes a false teacher.
So it all has nothing to do with me. I'm not telling him how to preach. God is telling him how to and he's not listening. He's saying what he wants to say. So God hasn't sent him.
I'm being obedient to God's word and I'm using His discernment.
I'm trying to warn others that there headed in the wrong direction by following a false teacher. That's all I can do.
If you all still like him, you'll still follow him. But there may be someone that doesn't know and will check out his teachings with God's word and see if he is really teaching the gospel of the kingdom or not.
That happened to me as a young believer. I didn't realize there was so much differing truths out there that all claim they're preaching God's truth. I didn't check anything out for a while until I read in the bible that we are to do so.
As an example, I tell my oldest child to tell his brothers and sister that we're going to the amusement park tomorrow at 4:00, but they must have their rooms cleaned by noon because we will leave the house at that time.
So the oldest tells the siblings about the amusement park and that we'll leave at noon, but he purposely leaves out the fact that they can't go if their rooms aren't cleaned.
Did my oldest tell them the truth? Or is it a falsehood? Of course it's false, the kids weren't able to go and yet they were told they could without being told about their messy rooms.
Withholding part of the truth becomes a lie. Even satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness with truth. But when truth is misused it's false no matter how true the scripture satan used was.
Satan told Adam and Eve truth. They didn't die physically. They did know both good and evil. But the truth was twisted by satan for his evil purpose of deception and the fall of mankind. But Adam and Eve died spiritually. Like Joel leaving out parts of the truth, satan left that part out as well.
That's what Joel is doing. He purposely leaves out anything negative he says because that's not what he's called to do.
2 Timothy 4:1,2 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
Acts 20:26,27 Therefore, I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.
Cute picture by the way. Daughter?
The Lord determines what His servant is to be and what the qualifications are. Not me or you. I'm only reading God's word and Joel doesn't come up to snuff as they use to say.
He doesn't reprove, rebuke, exhort or correct. He won't.....he said he won't. It's not his calling. So if it isn't his calling, why is he preaching/teaching if he's not going to teach all of God's word?
In obedience to God and His word, he can't leave out what he doesn't like. When he isn't preaching according to God's rules, he becomes a false teacher.
So it all has nothing to do with me. I'm not telling him how to preach. God is telling him how to and he's not listening. He's saying what he wants to say. So God hasn't sent him.
I'm being obedient to God's word and I'm using His discernment.
I'm trying to warn others that there headed in the wrong direction by following a false teacher. That's all I can do.
If you all still like him, you'll still follow him. But there may be someone that doesn't know and will check out his teachings with God's word and see if he is really teaching the gospel of the kingdom or not.
That happened to me as a young believer. I didn't realize there was so much differing truths out there that all claim they're preaching God's truth. I didn't check anything out for a while until I read in the bible that we are to do so.
As an example, I tell my oldest child to tell his brothers and sister that we're going to the amusement park tomorrow at 4:00, but they must have their rooms cleaned by noon because we will leave the house at that time.
So the oldest tells the siblings about the amusement park and that we'll leave at noon, but he purposely leaves out the fact that they can't go if their rooms aren't cleaned.
Did my oldest tell them the truth? Or is it a falsehood? Of course it's false, the kids weren't able to go and yet they were told they could without being told about their messy rooms.
Withholding part of the truth becomes a lie. Even satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness with truth. But when truth is misused it's false no matter how true the scripture satan used was.
Satan told Adam and Eve truth. They didn't die physically. They did know both good and evil. But the truth was twisted by satan for his evil purpose of deception and the fall of mankind. But Adam and Eve died spiritually. Like Joel leaving out parts of the truth, satan left that part out as well.
That's what Joel is doing. He purposely leaves out anything negative he says because that's not what he's called to do.
2 Timothy 4:1,2 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
Acts 20:26,27 Therefore, I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.
Hi Fran,
Cute picture by the way. Daughter?
The Lord determines what His servant is to be and what the qualifications are. Not me or you. I'm only reading God's word and Joel doesn't come up to snuff as they use to say.
He doesn't reprove, rebuke, exhort or correct. He won't.....he said he won't. It's not his calling. So if it isn't his calling, why is he preaching/teaching if he's not going to teach all of God's word?
In obedience to God and His word, he can't leave out what he doesn't like. When he isn't preaching according to God's rules, he becomes a false teacher.
So it all has nothing to do with me. I'm not telling him how to preach. God is telling him how to and he's not listening. He's saying what he wants to say. So God hasn't sent him.
I'm being obedient to God's word and I'm using His discernment.
I'm trying to warn others that there headed in the wrong direction by following a false teacher. That's all I can do.
If you all still like him, you'll still follow him. But there may be someone that doesn't know and will check out his teachings with God's word and see if he is really teaching the gospel of the kingdom or not.
That happened to me as a young believer. I didn't realize there was so much differing truths out there that all claim they're preaching God's truth. I didn't check anything out for a while until I read in the bible that we are to do so.
As an example, I tell my oldest child to tell his brothers and sister that we're going to the amusement park tomorrow at 4:00, but they must have their rooms cleaned by noon because we will leave the house at that time.
So the oldest tells the siblings about the amusement park and that we'll leave at noon, but he purposely leaves out the fact that they can't go if their rooms aren't cleaned.
Did my oldest tell them the truth? Or is it a falsehood? Of course it's false, the kids weren't able to go and yet they were told they could without being told about their messy rooms.
Withholding part of the truth becomes a lie. Even satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness with truth. But when truth is misused it's false no matter how true the scripture satan used was.
Satan told Adam and Eve truth. They didn't die physically. They did know both good and evil. But the truth was twisted by satan for his evil purpose of deception and the fall of mankind. But Adam and Eve died spiritually. Like Joel leaving out parts of the truth, satan left that part out as well.
That's what Joel is doing. He purposely leaves out anything negative he says because that's not what he's called to do.
2 Timothy 4:1,2 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
Acts 20:26,27 Therefore, I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.
Cute picture by the way. Daughter?
The Lord determines what His servant is to be and what the qualifications are. Not me or you. I'm only reading God's word and Joel doesn't come up to snuff as they use to say.
He doesn't reprove, rebuke, exhort or correct. He won't.....he said he won't. It's not his calling. So if it isn't his calling, why is he preaching/teaching if he's not going to teach all of God's word?
In obedience to God and His word, he can't leave out what he doesn't like. When he isn't preaching according to God's rules, he becomes a false teacher.
So it all has nothing to do with me. I'm not telling him how to preach. God is telling him how to and he's not listening. He's saying what he wants to say. So God hasn't sent him.
I'm being obedient to God's word and I'm using His discernment.
I'm trying to warn others that there headed in the wrong direction by following a false teacher. That's all I can do.
If you all still like him, you'll still follow him. But there may be someone that doesn't know and will check out his teachings with God's word and see if he is really teaching the gospel of the kingdom or not.
That happened to me as a young believer. I didn't realize there was so much differing truths out there that all claim they're preaching God's truth. I didn't check anything out for a while until I read in the bible that we are to do so.
As an example, I tell my oldest child to tell his brothers and sister that we're going to the amusement park tomorrow at 4:00, but they must have their rooms cleaned by noon because we will leave the house at that time.
So the oldest tells the siblings about the amusement park and that we'll leave at noon, but he purposely leaves out the fact that they can't go if their rooms aren't cleaned.
Did my oldest tell them the truth? Or is it a falsehood? Of course it's false, the kids weren't able to go and yet they were told they could without being told about their messy rooms.
Withholding part of the truth becomes a lie. Even satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness with truth. But when truth is misused it's false no matter how true the scripture satan used was.
Satan told Adam and Eve truth. They didn't die physically. They did know both good and evil. But the truth was twisted by satan for his evil purpose of deception and the fall of mankind. But Adam and Eve died spiritually. Like Joel leaving out parts of the truth, satan left that part out as well.
That's what Joel is doing. He purposely leaves out anything negative he says because that's not what he's called to do.
2 Timothy 4:1,2 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
Acts 20:26,27 Therefore, I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.
Since the new testament doesn't touch on tithing, and since some churches do not tithe, does that mean the ones that do tithe are teaching false doctrine and stealing money from
God's people?
Can you possibly defend that with Scripture?
That would put most Christian churches on earth guilty as you charge Osteen.
There would be practically no Christians left on earth, they would all be pagan worshipers.
Can you say that Osteen is going to hell?
While preachers that take your money by using false doctrine are going to heaven?
Strictly using Scripture, I would say just about everyone's going to hell.
So why are you so against one man?
Hi Fran,
Cute picture by the way. Daughter?
The Lord determines what His servant is to be and what the qualifications are. Not me or you. I'm only reading God's word and Joel doesn't come up to snuff as they use to say.
He doesn't reprove, rebuke, exhort or correct. He won't.....he said he won't. It's not his calling. So if it isn't his calling, why is he preaching/teaching if he's not going to teach all of God's word?
In obedience to God and His word, he can't leave out what he doesn't like. When he isn't preaching according to God's rules, he becomes a false teacher.
So it all has nothing to do with me. I'm not telling him how to preach. God is telling him how to and he's not listening. He's saying what he wants to say. So God hasn't sent him.
I'm being obedient to God's word and I'm using His discernment.
I'm trying to warn others that there headed in the wrong direction by following a false teacher. That's all I can do.
If you all still like him, you'll still follow him. But there may be someone that doesn't know and will check out his teachings with God's word and see if he is really teaching the gospel of the kingdom or not.
That happened to me as a young believer. I didn't realize there was so much differing truths out there that all claim they're preaching God's truth. I didn't check anything out for a while until I read in the bible that we are to do so.
As an example, I tell my oldest child to tell his brothers and sister that we're going to the amusement park tomorrow at 4:00, but they must have their rooms cleaned by noon because we will leave the house at that time.
So the oldest tells the siblings about the amusement park and that we'll leave at noon, but he purposely leaves out the fact that they can't go if their rooms aren't cleaned.
Did my oldest tell them the truth? Or is it a falsehood? Of course it's false, the kids weren't able to go and yet they were told they could without being told about their messy rooms.
Withholding part of the truth becomes a lie. Even satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness with truth. But when truth is misused it's false no matter how true the scripture satan used was.
Satan told Adam and Eve truth. They didn't die physically. They did know both good and evil. But the truth was twisted by satan for his evil purpose of deception and the fall of mankind. But Adam and Eve died spiritually. Like Joel leaving out parts of the truth, satan left that part out as well.
That's what Joel is doing. He purposely leaves out anything negative he says because that's not what he's called to do.
2 Timothy 4:1,2 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
Acts 20:26,27 Therefore, I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.
Cute picture by the way. Daughter?
The Lord determines what His servant is to be and what the qualifications are. Not me or you. I'm only reading God's word and Joel doesn't come up to snuff as they use to say.
He doesn't reprove, rebuke, exhort or correct. He won't.....he said he won't. It's not his calling. So if it isn't his calling, why is he preaching/teaching if he's not going to teach all of God's word?
In obedience to God and His word, he can't leave out what he doesn't like. When he isn't preaching according to God's rules, he becomes a false teacher.
So it all has nothing to do with me. I'm not telling him how to preach. God is telling him how to and he's not listening. He's saying what he wants to say. So God hasn't sent him.
I'm being obedient to God's word and I'm using His discernment.
I'm trying to warn others that there headed in the wrong direction by following a false teacher. That's all I can do.
If you all still like him, you'll still follow him. But there may be someone that doesn't know and will check out his teachings with God's word and see if he is really teaching the gospel of the kingdom or not.
That happened to me as a young believer. I didn't realize there was so much differing truths out there that all claim they're preaching God's truth. I didn't check anything out for a while until I read in the bible that we are to do so.
As an example, I tell my oldest child to tell his brothers and sister that we're going to the amusement park tomorrow at 4:00, but they must have their rooms cleaned by noon because we will leave the house at that time.
So the oldest tells the siblings about the amusement park and that we'll leave at noon, but he purposely leaves out the fact that they can't go if their rooms aren't cleaned.
Did my oldest tell them the truth? Or is it a falsehood? Of course it's false, the kids weren't able to go and yet they were told they could without being told about their messy rooms.
Withholding part of the truth becomes a lie. Even satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness with truth. But when truth is misused it's false no matter how true the scripture satan used was.
Satan told Adam and Eve truth. They didn't die physically. They did know both good and evil. But the truth was twisted by satan for his evil purpose of deception and the fall of mankind. But Adam and Eve died spiritually. Like Joel leaving out parts of the truth, satan left that part out as well.
That's what Joel is doing. He purposely leaves out anything negative he says because that's not what he's called to do.
2 Timothy 4:1,2 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
Acts 20:26,27 Therefore, I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole counsel of God.
Not my daughter.
That's me.
On the inside.
!!!
Can't answer you now.
Tomorrow, on computer.
Some look at a person instead of hearing whats being said. Joel may not know what both sides of fence is like, but his show does help build faith, him sharing what we are and what we can be in the Lord. What if joel is someones only preacher they listen to or can listen to, they are hearing about God. i think joel is ok, and i really liked his dad john.
This is what i said on page 6 i think it was, so i'm not bad mouthing. Just can't understand why you slashed out like you did. Man not every one is an enemy. i'm really starting to wonder about things on this site. Hired debators? it just deems pretty crazy at times. i try not to say unkind things to others, and i've been lashed out at, like i was trying to cause trouble more than once.
This is what i said on page 6 i think it was, so i'm not bad mouthing. Just can't understand why you slashed out like you did. Man not every one is an enemy. i'm really starting to wonder about things on this site. Hired debators? it just deems pretty crazy at times. i try not to say unkind things to others, and i've been lashed out at, like i was trying to cause trouble more than once.
Why is it when someone disagrees with something, instead of countering with what's been said, in other words sticking to the discussion, the person goes off on another tangent altogether. Why talk about others. The discussion is about Lakewood Church and Joel Osteen.
So how 'bout if we stick to what I said. Can you prove that what I've said is wrong? If so, please do. I actually do love to be proven wrong in cases like this. The problem is, I've heard him speak these things himself.
I'm not against one man. You brought him up. You were saying how much you love his teaching. I felt compelled of the Lord to give another side of the story that I've heard him say.
Ironic this comment. A wolf who spreads dessention yet claims to be concerned about his
group of believers and their deception having a light shone on it.
If the position of faith that is being taken when most christians are no longer believers or
never were, these are just agitators and deceivers and not bringers of peace.
group of believers and their deception having a light shone on it.
If the position of faith that is being taken when most christians are no longer believers or
never were, these are just agitators and deceivers and not bringers of peace.
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