Importance of Oneness

[Depleted]

Thanks for the heads up. It's been said that if you are going to go into business for yourself make sure it's something you are passionate about. I like construction but fitness is my passion. It's something I already do anyways, I was just wanting to monetize it. I agree it's those little things overlooked that really get you.

My brother went from being a stone mason to being a masseuse. He got his certificate right before Obama was elected. He's got three full-time customers now. (And he just picked them up in the last few months. lol) You might want to look into businesses better. When the economy takes a nosedive, the luxury businesses do too.

When hubby was getting out of the Navy, he needed to figure out how to make money. He likes working with his hands, so he went into the TV repair shop down his street and asked to help. The man laughed at him and told him to look for a recession-proof trade. People only want their TVs fixed, if they can't afford a new one. People always want their heaters, wiring, and plumbing working. Hubby became an HVAC mechanic thanks to that shop owner.

When hubby went into that TV repair shop, TVs had tubes. When was the last time you saw a TV repair shop?

Same problem with going for fitness. The only time you'd be making money is when the economy is doing well.

You need the head of a businessman to start a business.

 

[JesusLives]

In the mean time why don't you find a fitness center and see if they would let you lead a class once a week at night to see if you really like it. I have a friend who I taught as a teen in church that does the fitness thing that you are wanting to do and he loves it started out like I suggested above and now he is a personal trainer and loves it. Not to mention the benefits of him being healthy and fit.

Sometimes after you have done it in real life it isn't as great as you thought but if you find you still love it start out slow and build like my friend Doug did.

 

[Hungry]

I think wives get the easy part in a marriage. All we have to do is submit.

Husbands get the tough part. "Love your wives as Christ loves his church." For your wife's sake, what is loving her like Christ loves the church in this idea? Out of love, what should you do?

Great questions. She doesn't like working full time, so if I made more money she could go to part time. We are constantly looking for sponsors and companies to donate for fundraisers, I could use some of that as tax deductions if I owned a business and we wouldn't have to canvass so much. We both want a larger house and if we bought one big enough to train clients, I could use it as a business expense, along with a vehicle. I have competitive athletic children who would benefit from me not having to spends weeks out of town for work.

Her fear of the unknown has her heels dug in pretty deep. Dragging her in would no doubt cause injury. Like I stated it's not a necessity. There are many pro and cons in either situation. I choose to do what seems safe for all involved right now. Safe isn't fun, but at least no one gets hurt I guess. When a boy is young he wants to be daring, challenged and remembered. When he is older he is taught to be safe. I never want to learn that lesson. What would a person prefer to watch, an action adventure movie or a safety video? I think it's clear in a man's heart remains the desire to be daring, stuck in a body dressed in bubble wrap. I'm seriously ready for an adventure....as soon as I'm done folding this load of laundry.....stupid laundry.

 

[Hungry]

In the mean time why don't you find a fitness center and see if they would let you lead a class once a week at night to see if you really like it. I have a friend who I taught as a teen in church that does the fitness thing that you are wanting to do and he loves it started out like I suggested above and now he is a personal trainer and loves it. Not to mention the benefits of him being healthy and fit.

Sometimes after you have done it in real life it isn't as great as you thought but if you find you still love it start out slow and build like my friend Doug did.

I am doing it already and enjoy it.

 

[Hungry]

My brother went from being a stone mason to being a masseuse. He got his certificate right before Obama was elected. He's got three full-time customers now. (And he just picked them up in the last few months. lol) You might want to look into businesses better. When the economy takes a nosedive, the luxury businesses do too.

When hubby was getting out of the Navy, he needed to figure out how to make money. He likes working with his hands, so he went into the TV repair shop down his street and asked to help. The man laughed at him and told him to look for a recession-proof trade. People only want their TVs fixed, if they can't afford a new one. People always want their heaters, wiring, and plumbing working. Hubby became an HVAC mechanic thanks to that shop owner.

When hubby went into that TV repair shop, TVs had tubes. When was the last time you saw a TV repair shop?

Same problem with going for fitness. The only time you'd be making money is when the economy is doing well.

You need the head of a businessman to start a business.

I agree fully. My wife thinks personal trainers are a dime a dozen. The point is that I'm not a dime a dozen. I have some fantastic ideas that I want to try. I am tired of thinking, I can't stop thinking, I just want to start doing.

 

[JesusLives]

Maybe advertise to do it one on one personal training in your spare time and see if you can develop a following that could show your wife there is a possibility with it being a money maker....Just a thought.

 

[oldethennew]

worldly jobs are a dime a dozen, Godly jobs are a once in a lifetime experience,..

 

[tourist]

I'm sure that you are not out to seek glory in the workplace but that providing for your family by working is what you do and how you are wired. I'm the same way although I am getting up there and work takes a lot out of me. I look forward to the day where I don't have to work or punch a time clock anymore. I do a lot of chores too but that's not my main focus of work. It's a jungle out there.

 

[Hungry]

I'm sure that you are not out to seek glory in the workplace but that providing for your family by working is what you do and how you are wired. I'm the same way although I am getting up there and work takes a lot out of me. I look forward to the day where I don't have to work or punch a time clock anymore. I do a lot of chores too but that's not my main focus of work. It's a jungle out there.

I narrowed it down to that it is probably my ego that needs others to see that I am special. What eludes me is whether or not God endows us each of us with a portion of ego that causes us to aspire to be all that we can be, not just for us but to glorify Him. Then these who rise to the top of their fields are selected by the desirable females keeping the species strong. I do know for a fact that this desire to succeed is tied to our testosterone production. The more buff I get, the greater desire I have to (dominate) display success. Since I already have children and a wife, and make enough money, the desire is probably biological vanity and therefore chasing the wind. Realization doesn't quench the desire but if I can rationalize it at least I can walk in wisdom.

 

[godwinkc]

Better to eat a dry crust of bread with peace of mind than to have a banquet in a house full of trouble.
It is better to be patient then powerful, it is better to win control over yourself than over whole cities.

 

[Hungry]

Better to eat a dry crust of bread with peace of mind than to have a banquet in a house full of trouble.
It is better to be patient then powerful, it is better to win control over yourself than over whole cities.

Well stated!

 

[Depleted]

I narrowed it down to that it is probably my ego that needs others to see that I am special. What eludes me is whether or not God endows us each of us with a portion of ego that causes us to aspire to be all that we can be, not just for us but to glorify Him. Then these who rise to the top of their fields are selected by the desirable females keeping the species strong. I do know for a fact that this desire to succeed is tied to our testosterone production. The more buff I get, the greater desire I have to (dominate) display success. Since I already have children and a wife, and make enough money, the desire is probably biological vanity and therefore chasing the wind. Realization doesn't quench the desire but if I can rationalize it at least I can walk in wisdom.

Did you desire a nesting female? A woman whose main goal was to have kids and stay at home? Because, honestly, you make it sound like we women are out to find the rooster in the barnyard.

Not really. IF we're looking, (and that's a big IF), we want the guy who will love us for who we are and who we love for who he is.

I've also always had a desire to succeed. What's the use of playing, if you don't plan to win? It wasn't testosterone that gave me that. It was a competitive family that gave me that.

 

[MomLeslieM]

"I can't imagine the Godly decision would be to jeopardize the harmony of my home for me. What I am trying to determine is if all men feel the need to make their mark and have a compulsion to leave a legacy. I honestly feel like a caged lion right now with all this passion busting to manifest itself.

As well, I'm wondering if I should expect my wife to trust me and stand behind me."

I believe that yes, God did put in men the desire to make a mark and leave a legacy HOWEVER the primary mark and legacy you should be leaving as a husband and father is leading your wife and children and showing them what a Godly husband and father is. Your legacy is in your children - if they do not grow up to be followers of Jesus you have no legacy no matter what kind of company and money you may leave behind.

As to expecting your wife to trust you and stand behind you - God gave you your wife to be a helpmeet - that means that you need to allow her to be that - including having input in big decisions (and little ones but we're talking a big one here with a business!). She may see things you don't about starting a business that she can't support you in so it really is best to listen and pray together about it. I know my husband often sees things I do not about what I want to do. If I just rushed in and did what I feel is right I would be defeating God's path for me. If it is the right time and place to start a business He will open the doors - beginning with your wife!

 

[kaylagrl]

Did you desire a nesting female? A woman whose main goal was to have kids and stay at home? Because, honestly, you make it sound like we women are out to find the rooster in the barnyard.

Not really. IF we're looking, (and that's a big IF), we want the guy who will love us for who we are and who we love for who he is.

I've also always had a desire to succeed. What's the use of playing, if you don't plan to win? It wasn't testosterone that gave me that. It was a competitive family that gave me that.

Quote "Because, honestly, you make it sound like we women are out to find the rooster in the barnyard."

Rofl you crack me up so many times.

 

[kaylagrl]

I narrowed it down to that it is probably my ego that needs others to see that I am special. What eludes me is whether or not God endows us each of us with a portion of ego that causes us to aspire to be all that we can be, not just for us but to glorify Him. Then these who rise to the top of their fields are selected by the desirable females keeping the species strong. I do know for a fact that this desire to succeed is tied to our testosterone production. The more buff I get, the greater desire I have to (dominate) display success. Since I already have children and a wife, and make enough money, the desire is probably biological vanity and therefore chasing the wind. Realization doesn't quench the desire but if I can rationalize it at least I can walk in wisdom.

Are you a good dad? You're special.You a good husband? You're special. Thats the place to make your mark.No more lasting legacy. A lot of dads and husbands have been failures. If you are successful there, you are special!

 

[oldethennew]

the Only Ones Who opinion we value is Christ's opinion, this is our dividing-line...

are we being the best Sons and Daughters that we can be for our Maker?
are we being the best Husband or Wife that we can be according to our Maker's Standards?
are we being the best Friend that we can be to those whom Jesus places in our paths?

if we are giving it our all according to His Reality, then we would certainly be 'special',
in His eyes...

 

[Hungry]

Are you a good dad? You're special.You a good husband? You're special. Thats the place to make your mark.No more lasting legacy. A lot of dads and husbands have been failures. If you are successful there, you are special!

I don't just pull my opinion out of nothingness. First to address the topic selection. Women are drawn to men who are confident and successful. Who they settle for is based on other factors. We are all animals, that's what the flesh is. We all have exactly the same programming that the animals have for procreation. Just because humans don't butt heads like rams and have colourful plumage like birds doesn't mean we don't have ways to display good genetic stock to make ourselves more attractive to females. Just like in nature males put on their alpha displays but females allow access for mating. This is what keeps our species strong. Those who are strong, smart, tall and leaders usually have a better selection of females to choose from. It's by design.

The testosterone in men causes them to act a certain way, primarily more competitive. What else would be the reason for all of the bling, mansions, fast cars and six packs (abs). It's all to signal good genetic stock for mating. It's been discovered that during certain times of the month women find these men more attractive, and are more likely to have a one night stand with these sorts of men. For the other 75% of the time, women are more attracted to more sensitive, less testosterone driven males.

My point is that males who possess a significant amount of testosterone, often feel the need to show off. I believe it's the flesh sending out the signal for "planting seeds". Of course my primary goal is to be a great father and husband, that is love from the Spirit. The desire of the flesh is to be pretentious, signaling, good genetic stock. As much as I try to be the best family man I can be, there is always the factor that I can't control. Everybody has a free will and if they choose to not behave, love me back or follow Christ, does that mean I suck? If I am a crappy dad and everybody turns out great in spite of me, am I a success? The desire to create something out of your imagination and seeing it grow and turn out as you imagined or better; is that something God inspires men to do, or is that men seeking to be God?

 

[Dan58]

If you have a passion to try a different line of work, then do it. I was a mig welder with John Deere, but quit to start my own business. It turned out to be a good decision, but there were risk. Don't become a personal trainer for ego or status, do it because you prefer that line of work and are relatively certain that you can make a living doing it. It might be wise to first explore the opportunities when your laid-off of construction, or look into the possibility of buying an already established personal training facility? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. But I wouldn't advise leaving one job until your semi-certain you can walk into something better. Everyone has dreams they prefer to pursue, but reality forces us to follow the money. I personally bought a business on contract and expanded it, but be aware that 80 to 90% of all new businesses fail.

 

[Hungry]

If you have a passion to try a different line of work, then do it. I was a mig welder with John Deere, but quit to start my own business. It turned out to be a good decision, but there were risk. Don't become a personal trainer for ego or status, do it because you prefer that line of work and are relatively certain that you can make a living doing it. It might be wise to first explore the opportunities when your laid-off of construction, or look into the possibility of buying an already established personal training facility? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. But I wouldn't advise leaving one job until your semi-certain you can walk into something better. Everyone has dreams they prefer to pursue, but reality forces us to follow the money. I personally bought a business on contract and expanded it, but be aware that 80 to 90% of all new businesses fail.

Thank you for your insight and congratulations on a wise venture. I'm sure it was a lot of hard work. My original question wasn't to determine whether I should start a business exactly. It was more of a question as to whether if I felt led to start a business, should my wife be on board because God ordained the men as leaders, or should my decision to act be based on her feelings?

The thread kind of took a turn questioning if it is desire of the flesh, to want something that we don't need, or does God give us an ego to create and build something beautiful to be proud of. All we do is mostly ego based. I don't need the money that a business may provide. I desire the outlet for my creativity being used to help people. Is man programmed with the desire to create something to be proud of even if it's not needed, even if it takes time away from his family? Is it not ordained for his wife to share in his accomplishments because they are a team? I think God designed it for the men to seek a certain amount of glory for their own and women to take pride in their families. When my kids do good or bad my wife seems to participate in their accomplishments emotionally. To me, I am proud of them but recognize it as their victory. Whether they pass or fail she includes as hers. Are my observations unique to me?

 

[Depleted]

I don't just pull my opinion out of nothingness. First to address the topic selection. Women are drawn to men who are confident and successful. Who they settle for is based on other factors. We are all animals, that's what the flesh is. We all have exactly the same programming that the animals have for procreation. Just because humans don't butt heads like rams and have colourful plumage like birds doesn't mean we don't have ways to display good genetic stock to make ourselves more attractive to females. Just like in nature males put on their alpha displays but females allow access for mating. This is what keeps our species strong. Those who are strong, smart, tall and leaders usually have a better selection of females to choose from. It's by design.

The testosterone in men causes them to act a certain way, primarily more competitive. What else would be the reason for all of the bling, mansions, fast cars and six packs (abs). It's all to signal good genetic stock for mating. It's been discovered that during certain times of the month women find these men more attractive, and are more likely to have a one night stand with these sorts of men. For the other 75% of the time, women are more attracted to more sensitive, less testosterone driven males.

My point is that males who possess a significant amount of testosterone, often feel the need to show off. I believe it's the flesh sending out the signal for "planting seeds". Of course my primary goal is to be a great father and husband, that is love from the Spirit. The desire of the flesh is to be pretentious, signaling, good genetic stock. As much as I try to be the best family man I can be, there is always the factor that I can't control. Everybody has a free will and if they choose to not behave, love me back or follow Christ, does that mean I suck? If I am a crappy dad and everybody turns out great in spite of me, am I a success? The desire to create something out of your imagination and seeing it grow and turn out as you imagined or better; is that something God inspires men to do, or is that men seeking to be God?

Sorry. I don't believe in evolution, free will, or God placing creativity in us just to ignore it. Then again, I also don't see God giving us creativity as a reason to use that creativity to prove self either.

I do believe God gave us hearts to serve.