How would you feel if this were your son?

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untrustingmom

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Two years ago my son met a girl (his roommate's sister). He texted and called her b/c she lived in another city. After 3 weeks he told us about her, said she lived there with her sister after a breakup with an alcoholic boyfriend (it took her 9 months to realize he was an alcoholic) who broke into her apartment. He told us she did not trust men and had always leaned on her sister for emotional support. He also told us she got "hurt" whenever she met a boyfriend's family. Then two weeks later she invited her brother to bring him for the weekend. My son was there for 24 hours when this girl called him aside and told him she did not trust him and he invaded her safe space. Her father and brother told him she was crazy so he stopped talking with her.

Duriing the next 9 months she dated 3 different guys. We know that she broke up with one who helped her with her car, helped her with her townhouse (she had moved out of the sister's home b/c of another child in the sister's family), took her to nice places, supposedly made $600K, etc. Her reason for breaking up with him was because he took her trash out without her permission.

The second breakup we know about happened after she met the guy's family. Supposedly there was talk about someone else in the family being involved in an adulterous affair. She decided the family and the guy were bad people. Then 5 weeks later she found out she was pregnant with his child. He asked her to get an abortion and told her he wanted nothing to do with a child. She moved home about 5 months later.

Our son told us of the pregnancy and the fact she was moving back to our town when she was around 5 months pregnant. One time when we were with him his phone kept ringing and buzzing and he was quite frustrated. When I asked him why he told me it was her and that she was contacting him all the time. I told him to block her and his response was "I'm going to handle this like an adult. I'm going to tell her there is nothing between us. I will help her if she h as car trouble and can't reach her dad or brother but there is nothing between us except friendship. And I do not want to become the father to someone else's child".

It got to a point when he would not look at me, his Mother, or hardly talk to me. We called him one night and he told us he could no longer have a weekey dinner with us b/c other people wanted to spend time with him. We still saw him at church on Sunday but no more weekly dinners. Then after another month he said he would have dinner with us and proceeded to tell us he had been dating her for 2-1/2 months.

I have great trepidation about this relationship for the following reasons:

she has bad relationship history -- we know of other guys and we have gotten the impression that she has had multiple sexual relationships. his father asked him once if he knew her sexual history and the reply was just "yes"

her crazy reason for breaking off relationships

she has had bad judgment decisions -- can't elaborate on them

she blames her bad judgment on a hormonal issue

she does not even have a good work history. she has been out of school for4 years and has not held any job longer than 9 or 10 months.

she began datinig my son while she was pregnant with someone else's child. Yes, it is my son, but I feel her primary goal should have been creating a life for herself and her child without any man. I am suspicious of her intentions toward my son and her statements of "I didn't know you were still here" yet my son lives with her brother and her statement"Oh, I didn't know there was a chance for us again"

my son is very vulnerable right now. he concentrated on his degree and then a master's degree and has not had a girlfriend for 9 years. I feel like she jumped into his lap and he is just settling.

he is also settling for other things in his life which are out of his character. He graduated with his master's degree in May 2015 and is yet to get a job in his field. he is limiting his search to here because she cannot leave this state unless the baby's father gives up his rights which the father says he is not going to do. my son has declined 2 job offers in other states.

he lives in conditions with her brother that he would not have tolerated at home. he is settling for less than God's best.

Am I off base or would other parents, be concerned about this relationship? I know I cannot "say" anything to him without potentially pushing him toward her even more. How and what do I pray for?
 

blue_ladybug

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You haven't said how old your son is, but based on your age, I'm going to guess that he's in his 30's or 40's. This girl sounds mentally and emotionally unstable. She needs professional help. In fact, the best thing she can do for her child is give it up for adoption. Your son needs to tell her, in words that she will understand, that he will NOT be her boyfriend, will NOT be this kid's father, and will NOT maintain this relationship with her anymore.. He needs a stable girlfriend, not one who sounds like a loony toon..
 
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Since he is long past being a child, my feelings would mean nothing.
 
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untrustingmom

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HI Ladybug. Thank you for your words. They are things I would like to say but there are other things which I talk about below.

My son is 29. He seems to shut us out if we say anything critical about her. When we have he has lashed out and said hurtful things about his relationship with us -- things we did wrong. Later he has said that he said the hurtful things out of frustration but he is not willing to hear anything critical about her. We are working on finding out if there are things he is unhappy with us about in order to restore our parent-adult child relationship first and then hopefully he will then listen to our advice. I am also hoping to talk with other family members (he is an only child) -- cousins that he is close to in particular -- to get their feelings about this and hope they will share concerns as well.
 
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bestbefore1973

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You haven't said how old your son is, but based on your age, I'm going to guess that he's in his 30's or 40's. This girl sounds mentally and emotionally unstable. She needs professional help. In fact, the best thing she can do for her child is give it up for adoption. Your son needs to tell her, in words that she will understand, that he will NOT be her boyfriend, will NOT be this kid's father, and will NOT maintain this relationship with her anymore.. He needs a stable girlfriend, not one who sounds like a loony toon..
The whole world needs therapy.
 

blue_ladybug

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Well, he knows her back story at least. That she is unstable, ends relationships for crazy reasons, etc. He also knows that he doesn't want the responsibility to be this kid's daddy. Just try to trust him to deal with this situation. I have a feeling that if you share this with other family members in order to help him, it may just backfire on you..
 
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untrustingmom

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What he knows is her story. He doesn't know what the guys she was involved with would say. There are always two sides to a story and sometimes they can differ greatly. Since she has her emotional and stability issues, I would wager that the stories might be different.
 

blue_ladybug

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Then he should try to talk to some of them and find out what they have to say.


What he knows is her story. He doesn't know what the guys she was involved with would say. There are always two sides to a story and sometimes they can differ greatly. Since she has her emotional and stability issues, I would wager that the stories might be different.
 
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bestbefore1973

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Two years ago my son met a girl (his roommate's sister). He texted and called her b/c she lived in another city. After 3 weeks he told us about her, said she lived there with her sister after a breakup with an alcoholic boyfriend (it took her 9 months to realize he was an alcoholic) who broke into her apartment. He told us she did not trust men and had always leaned on her sister for emotional support. He also told us she got "hurt" whenever she met a boyfriend's family. Then two weeks later she invited her brother to bring him for the weekend. My son was there for 24 hours when this girl called him aside and told him she did not trust him and he invaded her safe space. Her father and brother told him she was crazy so he stopped talking with her.

Duriing the next 9 months she dated 3 different guys. We know that she broke up with one who helped her with her car, helped her with her townhouse (she had moved out of the sister's home b/c of another child in the sister's family), took her to nice places, supposedly made $600K, etc. Her reason for breaking up with him was because he took her trash out without her permission.

The second breakup we know about happened after she met the guy's family. Supposedly there was talk about someone else in the family being involved in an adulterous affair. She decided the family and the guy were bad people. Then 5 weeks later she found out she was pregnant with his child. He asked her to get an abortion and told her he wanted nothing to do with a child. She moved home about 5 months later.

Our son told us of the pregnancy and the fact she was moving back to our town when she was around 5 months pregnant. One time when we were with him his phone kept ringing and buzzing and he was quite frustrated. When I asked him why he told me it was her and that she was contacting him all the time. I told him to block her and his response was "I'm going to handle this like an adult. I'm going to tell her there is nothing between us. I will help her if she h as car trouble and can't reach her dad or brother but there is nothing between us except friendship. And I do not want to become the father to someone else's child".

It got to a point when he would not look at me, his Mother, or hardly talk to me. We called him one night and he told us he could no longer have a weekey dinner with us b/c other people wanted to spend time with him. We still saw him at church on Sunday but no more weekly dinners. Then after another month he said he would have dinner with us and proceeded to tell us he had been dating her for 2-1/2 months.

I have great trepidation about this relationship for the following reasons:

she has bad relationship history -- we know of other guys and we have gotten the impression that she has had multiple sexual relationships. his father asked him once if he knew her sexual history and the reply was just "yes"

her crazy reason for breaking off relationships

she has had bad judgment decisions -- can't elaborate on them

she blames her bad judgment on a hormonal issue

she does not even have a good work history. she has been out of school for4 years and has not held any job longer than 9 or 10 months.

she began datinig my son while she was pregnant with someone else's child. Yes, it is my son, but I feel her primary goal should have been creating a life for herself and her child without any man. I am suspicious of her intentions toward my son and her statements of "I didn't know you were still here" yet my son lives with her brother and her statement"Oh, I didn't know there was a chance for us again"

my son is very vulnerable right now. he concentrated on his degree and then a master's degree and has not had a girlfriend for 9 years. I feel like she jumped into his lap and he is just settling.

he is also settling for other things in his life which are out of his character. He graduated with his master's degree in May 2015 and is yet to get a job in his field. he is limiting his search to here because she cannot leave this state unless the baby's father gives up his rights which the father says he is not going to do. my son has declined 2 job offers in other states.

he lives in conditions with her brother that he would not have tolerated at home. he is settling for less than God's best.

Am I off base or would other parents, be concerned about this relationship? I know I cannot "say" anything to him without potentially pushing him toward her even more. How and what do I pray for?
It is a very human trait to force an issue in desperation to resolve something that we find hard to understand, but the fact is that the more pressure we apply to resolve our fears the more those fears come to bare fruit.

It's a deadly trap we put ourselves in, but the simple approach would be to just take an emotional back seat and let that person resolve things in their own way.
 
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kaylagrl

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What he knows is her story. He doesn't know what the guys she was involved with would say. There are always two sides to a story and sometimes they can differ greatly. Since she has her emotional and stability issues, I would wager that the stories might be different.

There is an old saying "if you burn your butt sometimes you have to sit on the blister". And it seems your son is going to have to learn the hard way. You cannot save him from lifes mistakes,as much as you'd like to. I think you should pray that his eyes will be opened and he will see her real character before he walks off the cliff. Pray that somehow the blinders will come off. As you have said,if you go after her you push him closer to her. So back away,let him miss you. Be totally positive in anything you say about his choices,he's grown now and if you interfere he'll resent it. And while you wait,pray. Only God can truly turn your son around. So ask God to open his eyes in a way that will stop him dead in his tracks and turn him around.

 
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I have no children and I am closer to your son's age, but I would agree and empathize with you in this matter. I think though it is not enough for you to just tell your son not to marry or date that girl. He will certainly become frustrated and not listen to that. Perhaps you should try to arrange for him to date a daughter of a family that you are friends with in your personal life or at church that you know and approve of.
 
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untrustingmom

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thanks to everyone for your thoughts. sometimes I just wonder if I am wrong to feel the way I do but when others like yourselves see where he is headed then it renews my resolve and my prayers for his eyes to be opened. My son also has had what we now term a "savior" complex with some of his friends so we feel he is in that mode with her. we expressed our concerns about her and do not say anything about her now. but it is just HARD to sit here and watch what is happening and feel like his eyes are still closed. we have to accept her at family events and pretend that we like her. he receives praise from her family but we cannot say anything. I am sure they are delighted this has happened as he has the potential for a great income and it takes responsibility for her off of their plate. I wish we could get him to date someone else but he says that is not fair to her and he will not do it. Prayer is our choice. We must be persistent and ask for God's intervention to wake him up. If you remember us, please pray as well. Thank you.
 
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bestbefore1973

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thanks to everyone for your thoughts. sometimes I just wonder if I am wrong to feel the way I do but when others like yourselves see where he is headed then it renews my resolve and my prayers for his eyes to be opened. My son also has had what we now term a "savior" complex with some of his friends so we feel he is in that mode with her. we expressed our concerns about her and do not say anything about her now. but it is just HARD to sit here and watch what is happening and feel like his eyes are still closed. we have to accept her at family events and pretend that we like her. he receives praise from her family but we cannot say anything. I am sure they are delighted this has happened as he has the potential for a great income and it takes responsibility for her off of their plate. I wish we could get him to date someone else but he says that is not fair to her and he will not do it. Prayer is our choice. We must be persistent and ask for God's intervention to wake him up. If you remember us, please pray as well. Thank you.
Why do you think his eyes are closed to the spirit of God? Because he doesn't do as you do? Or doesn't believe the same things? Gods spirit is great and vast and his arms stretch out in all directions.

No one knows where the spirit blows or it's coming and going.
 
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untrustingmom

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Mainly my reasons are because my son is acting outside his normal character which he has lived for over 28 years. Two of his friends have pointed that out to him. In addition, he has withdrawn his contact with us, his parents, his family and most of his life-long friends since he began this relationship with this girl. He began his withdrawal from us before he told us he was dating her so he cannot say that his withdrawal is because we criticized her. I have also talked with a psychologist who has stated the opinion that she is troubled and that she exhibits characteristics inherent with someone who wants to alienate and isolate him from us. Our son has said that her own family has admitted she is unstable and crazy. Her own brother and father!!!! I applaud him for his compassion but he could be compassionate without being romantically involved with her. I have always sensed that she is an aggressor and I feel she senses his vulnerability and is preying on him. Perhaps unintentionally but she may not truly be in love with him as a person but she loves the support he provides for her. If she has trust issues with men she should resolve those before becoming romantically involved with anyone. There is a reason why this young lady has not had a relationship in her life that has lasted more than 9 months. She is 28, almost 29. Why does she always get hurt by boyfriends' families -- probably because they sense who she is like we have. Anyway, my son does not act the same, does not have the same relationships he did just 7 months ago. I do not care for the fact that so much of his life is changing, how he carries himself now, etc.
 
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Ariel82

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Two years ago my son met a girl (his roommate's sister). He texted and called her b/c she lived in another city. After 3 weeks he told us about her, said she lived there with her sister after a breakup with an alcoholic boyfriend (it took her 9 months to realize he was an alcoholic) who broke into her apartment. He told us she did not trust men and had always leaned on her sister for emotional support. He also told us she got "hurt" whenever she met a boyfriend's family. Then two weeks later she invited her brother to bring him for the weekend. My son was there for 24 hours when this girl called him aside and told him she did not trust him and he invaded her safe space. Her father and brother told him she was crazy so he stopped talking with her.

Duriing the next 9 months she dated 3 different guys. We know that she broke up with one who helped her with her car, helped her with her townhouse (she had moved out of the sister's home b/c of another child in the sister's family), took her to nice places, supposedly made $600K, etc. Her reason for breaking up with him was because he took her trash out without her permission.

The second breakup we know about happened after she met the guy's family. Supposedly there was talk about someone else in the family being involved in an adulterous affair. She decided the family and the guy were bad people. Then 5 weeks later she found out she was pregnant with his child. He asked her to get an abortion and told her he wanted nothing to do with a child. She moved home about 5 months later.

Our son told us of the pregnancy and the fact she was moving back to our town when she was around 5 months pregnant. One time when we were with him his phone kept ringing and buzzing and he was quite frustrated. When I asked him why he told me it was her and that she was contacting him all the time. I told him to block her and his response was "I'm going to handle this like an adult. I'm going to tell her there is nothing between us. I will help her if she h as car trouble and can't reach her dad or brother but there is nothing between us except friendship. And I do not want to become the father to someone else's child".

It got to a point when he would not look at me, his Mother, or hardly talk to me. We called him one night and he told us he could no longer have a weekey dinner with us b/c other people wanted to spend time with him. We still saw him at church on Sunday but no more weekly dinners. Then after another month he said he would have dinner with us and proceeded to tell us he had been dating her for 2-1/2 months.

I have great trepidation about this relationship for the following reasons:

she has bad relationship history -- we know of other guys and we have gotten the impression that she has had multiple sexual relationships. his father asked him once if he knew her sexual history and the reply was just "yes"

her crazy reason for breaking off relationships

she has had bad judgment decisions -- can't elaborate on them

she blames her bad judgment on a hormonal issue

she does not even have a good work history. she has been out of school for4 years and has not held any job longer than 9 or 10 months.

she began datinig my son while she was pregnant with someone else's child. Yes, it is my son, but I feel her primary goal should have been creating a life for herself and her child without any man. I am suspicious of her intentions toward my son and her statements of "I didn't know you were still here" yet my son lives with her brother and her statement"Oh, I didn't know there was a chance for us again"

my son is very vulnerable right now. he concentrated on his degree and then a master's degree and has not had a girlfriend for 9 years. I feel like she jumped into his lap and he is just settling.

he is also settling for other things in his life which are out of his character. He graduated with his master's degree in May 2015 and is yet to get a job in his field. he is limiting his search to here because she cannot leave this state unless the baby's father gives up his rights which the father says he is not going to do. my son has declined 2 job offers in other states.

he lives in conditions with her brother that he would not have tolerated at home. he is settling for less than God's best.

Am I off base or would other parents, be concerned about this relationship? I know I cannot "say" anything to him without potentially pushing him toward her even more. How and what do I pray for?
The sex must be good.

Maybe introduce him to other nice girls?

She has her claws in him.

I would be upset that he doesn't come for weekly dinner on Sunday, but he has to take responsibility. He has the power to tell her, no I want to spend time with my family.

He needs a new roommate, or to move out of town away from her.
.it's doubtful she will follow him, but if she can control him enough to manipulate him into doing what she wants, she might hang on like a leech.

Why hasn't your son dated in 9 years?

I feel like there are two sides to the story.
 
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Ariel82

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What he knows is her story. He doesn't know what the guys she was involved with would say. There are always two sides to a story and sometimes they can differ greatly. Since she has her emotional and stability issues, I would wager that the stories might be different.
Did he tell you all this? It seems a lot to share about a girl he isn't dating or did he tell you all this after he said he was dating her?

A little confused.
 
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Ariel82

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It may be an assumption that they are having sex, but she is pregnant. So that tells us that she is okay with having sex outside marriage.

He is acting weird and doing things to please her that wouldn't make sense of he wasn't have sex with her.

He is 29...hasn't had a girlfriend in 9 years...so he was 20...

If I was a his mom, I would wonder if she was his first sexual partner and is using that to be taken care of?

It may be God's will for them to be together. God may be able to change and heal her.

Personally I would want my son to be far far away from the girl, but I would trust him to make the right decisions.

My son is only 11 and hasn't had a first date yet, so I don't know what I would do but pray.

Not having a girlfriend for 9 years might be tough on a guy. Is it because there were no girls interested in him or he wasn't interested in them? (don't have to answer, just thinking out loud)

Anyway those are my rambling thoughts. Will keep you and your son and the pregnant girl in prayers.

I love babies so I would probably be nice to the girl so I get to play with the baby later.

So may you can try and befriend the girl and ask her to join the weekly dinners?
 
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Two years ago my son met a girl (his roommate's sister). He texted and called her b/c she lived in another city. After 3 weeks he told us about her, said she lived there with her sister after a breakup with an alcoholic boyfriend (it took her 9 months to realize he was an alcoholic) who broke into her apartment. He told us she did not trust men and had always leaned on her sister for emotional support. He also told us she got "hurt" whenever she met a boyfriend's family. Then two weeks later she invited her brother to bring him for the weekend. My son was there for 24 hours when this girl called him aside and told him she did not trust him and he invaded her safe space. Her father and brother told him she was crazy so he stopped talking with her.

Duriing the next 9 months she dated 3 different guys. We know that she broke up with one who helped her with her car, helped her with her townhouse (she had moved out of the sister's home b/c of another child in the sister's family), took her to nice places, supposedly made $600K, etc. Her reason for breaking up with him was because he took her trash out without her permission.

The second breakup we know about happened after she met the guy's family. Supposedly there was talk about someone else in the family being involved in an adulterous affair. She decided the family and the guy were bad people. Then 5 weeks later she found out she was pregnant with his child. He asked her to get an abortion and told her he wanted nothing to do with a child. She moved home about 5 months later.

Our son told us of the pregnancy and the fact she was moving back to our town when she was around 5 months pregnant. One time when we were with him his phone kept ringing and buzzing and he was quite frustrated. When I asked him why he told me it was her and that she was contacting him all the time. I told him to block her and his response was "I'm going to handle this like an adult. I'm going to tell her there is nothing between us. I will help her if she h as car trouble and can't reach her dad or brother but there is nothing between us except friendship. And I do not want to become the father to someone else's child".

It got to a point when he would not look at me, his Mother, or hardly talk to me. We called him one night and he told us he could no longer have a weekey dinner with us b/c other people wanted to spend time with him. We still saw him at church on Sunday but no more weekly dinners. Then after another month he said he would have dinner with us and proceeded to tell us he had been dating her for 2-1/2 months.

I have great trepidation about this relationship for the following reasons:

she has bad relationship history -- we know of other guys and we have gotten the impression that she has had multiple sexual relationships. his father asked him once if he knew her sexual history and the reply was just "yes"

her crazy reason for breaking off relationships

she has had bad judgment decisions -- can't elaborate on them

she blames her bad judgment on a hormonal issue

she does not even have a good work history. she has been out of school for4 years and has not held any job longer than 9 or 10 months.

she began datinig my son while she was pregnant with someone else's child. Yes, it is my son, but I feel her primary goal should have been creating a life for herself and her child without any man. I am suspicious of her intentions toward my son and her statements of "I didn't know you were still here" yet my son lives with her brother and her statement"Oh, I didn't know there was a chance for us again"

my son is very vulnerable right now. he concentrated on his degree and then a master's degree and has not had a girlfriend for 9 years. I feel like she jumped into his lap and he is just settling.

he is also settling for other things in his life which are out of his character. He graduated with his master's degree in May 2015 and is yet to get a job in his field. he is limiting his search to here because she cannot leave this state unless the baby's father gives up his rights which the father says he is not going to do. my son has declined 2 job offers in other states.

he lives in conditions with her brother that he would not have tolerated at home. he is settling for less than God's best.

Am I off base or would other parents, be concerned about this relationship? I know I cannot "say" anything to him without potentially pushing him toward her even more. How and what do I pray for?
Somethings I noticed in this story:
1. No mention whatsoever about God in relationship to you, your son, or this girlfriend.

2. It's pretty bad when a son doesn't dare tell his parents anything because he knows how they'll react, so it becomes easier to say nothing. Who does he confide with, since he can't confide with his parents?

Some things I know from my husband's first marriage:
1. Never give an ultimatum for an adult child. "It's either her or us." Because it will be her, and you won't be seeing him until/if the relationship is over.

2. A man is going to do what the man wants to do.

3. Some men are fixers, out to help damaged people.

4. The relationship may be terrible, yet, IF he is a son of God, it will still work for his good and God's glory.

5. That child is going to have a lot of insecurity in his/her little life. She's going to wonder what happened to her real father, why this guy raised her as his child, and then left, what's wrong with Mom or is this how to behave as an adult, and what's wrong with her that she got stuck with this life.

Your son is a man. He's allowed to make mistakes, if this is one of them. Your job now shoould be to keep lifting him up in prayer and keep supporting him in what ever choices he makes, as long as they aren't illegal.

If he was raised a believer, this could work out.
 
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untrustingmom

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I will try to answer everyone's questions:

He told us most of the things we know about her before he ever started dating her. Most of it was told when he was only texting and talking to her via phone and after she told him she did not trust him. Other things were told to us between that time and when she moved back here. He has shown frustration in what she has done when he talked with us about these things.

Many people have said that they are probably sexually involved and that greatly explains why he said he would not become involved with her and then did so. he has told us twice that he was finished with her but then he proceeded to become involved with her. And we have received impressions from conversations with our son that she has had multiple sexual partners. Yes, she could change but I have also been advised that she will probably need professional counseling to overcome some of her problems and to our knowledge she has had none. Her emotional security problems go back 12-14 years. To our knowledge her involvement with other guys goes back 7-8 years. We have also been advised by our Biblical counselor that our son cannot say he is in God's will to help her and save her if he is also having sex with her. he has said that being intimately involved with her is against God's Word and therefore he could not say he sees God's will to save her. They are contradictory to each other.

My son has never liked DRAMA, especially from girls. This girl is entirely drama and sometimes I feel she creates drama when there is none.

Not dating anyone for 9 years. He was deeply hurt by the actions of his two previous girlfriends. By the time he broke up with the second he was working on his bachelor's degree and then he began his master's degree. he said he needed to concentrate on school and he also worked so he did not have much time to spend on a girl. His father and I have also decided that he does not "search" for girls, most of the time they have pursued him (which also explains why he became involved with this girl. I think she jumped into his lap). He was also in a field of study that had very few females in it so there was not much of a chance to meet anyone. I do know of girls who were interested in him but nothing ever went forward.

My son was raised in church. With that being said I can say he is a Christian but not a disciple of Christ. I now see that he does not walk the talk. I can now say that his father and I have not been as strong as we should have been. He served for a while as a leader of middle and high school groups for kids in our community through our church. He "went" to church with us up until 6 months ago; however, how much he truly received from it is uncertain. But the background is there. He needs to be reading and studying the Bible and praying but I cannot say that he does that. The girl is a Christian; that is all he has told us. However, I feel she is probably in the same boat as he is, not a true disciple. Not living as they should.

My son does have the desire to be a fixer. However, his past attempts at fixing have all fizzled out as he has gotten tired of the individuals not helping themselves. So, he somewhat gives up after a certain period of time if they show no desire to improve themselves.

Unless both of them change -- my son and this girl -- I do not see that they can be successful in a long-term relationship. Their motives are potentially wrong, their desires are wrong, etc. I pray for him every day and some for her. They would be taking on alot of responsibility in addition to just starting their lives and careers together.
 

notuptome

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Pr 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

There are some chapters in your child's life that only God can write.

It is very difficult to let them go and trust God to deal in His mercy toward them. In the end it is the same as God has dealt with each of us.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger