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joefizz

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this has been on my mind alot because I've read through the bible and noticed that now we speak to jesus directly for confession for he is the mediator between us and god now so,what role do the popes and priests play now in anyones life that is supposedly so divine? because from what I know of the bible concerning any such roles priests are mentioned and now in their place we speak to jesus directly to confess our sins,but as for popes that wasn't in the bible,pharisees but no popes so how did they get a somehow high authority according to people when from what I can tell they just came in to being from out of nowhere and have even heard they quote "forgive Sins?" once again jesus answered this that only god can "forgive Sin" please I would like some wise answers and I'm not looking for a fight just am hoping to learn how they fit in to all the bible says if at all,both priests and popes, because I think I can only conclude to roughly half of my question and would naturally like to be sure of the truth just as I study the bible to be sure I don't say something incorrect.
 

Dan_473

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hi joefizz, welcome to CC!

Catholics say that the Bible can only really be understood by the church as a whole. If you believe that God wants us as individuals to read the Bible and decide for ourselves what it means, then you may be happier in a Protestant church.


the idea of priests saying a person's sins are forgiven comes in part from this

ST. JOHN 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit.
If you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.
 
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this has been on my mind alot because I've read through the bible and noticed that now we speak to jesus directly for confession for he is the mediator between us and god now so,what role do the popes and priests play now in anyones life that is supposedly so divine? because from what I know of the bible concerning any such roles priests are mentioned and now in their place we speak to jesus directly to confess our sins,but as for popes that wasn't in the bible,pharisees but no popes so how did they get a somehow high authority according to people when from what I can tell they just came in to being from out of nowhere and have even heard they quote "forgive Sins?" once again jesus answered this that only god can "forgive Sin" please I would like some wise answers and I'm not looking for a fight just am hoping to learn how they fit in to all the bible says if at all,both priests and popes, because I think I can only conclude to roughly half of my question and would naturally like to be sure of the truth just as I study the bible to be sure I don't say something incorrect.
Church leaders of all denominations have specific responsibilities within their churches. Off the top of my head, I can't tell you exactly what they are, and I've never been trained in that area. In addition to that, I think they should set good examples for others. They should set the best examples, not the worst. (Some would argue that their jobs are difficult, and therefore we should expect less of them than we do of others. I think that is wrong.)
 
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BeyondET

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Well there's not more than one pope as in popes, it's just idolatry.
 
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BeyondET

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Yea that's some sick stuff, pure dummies to not allow married folks to be priest etc.,, that surely open the door to those type of freaks.
 
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Yea that's some sick stuff, pure dummies to not allow married folks to be priest etc.,, that surely open the door to those type of freaks.
"Those type of freaks." Did God make a certain number of people to be Pedophiles?
 
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BeyondET

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Then they are just "people", like your or me... only with different demons attacking them?
Well people get attacked every day, but when the demon attack turns into a demon action within the people, there the issue is.
 
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Well people get attacked every day, but when the demon attack turns into a demon action within the people, there the issue is.
At that point, they are no longer people, like you or me, in need of Jesus' help?

Is not my point in all this getting through?
 
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BeyondET

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At that point, they are no longer people, like you or me, in need of Jesus' help?

Is not my point in all this getting through?
Well just because I call say freaks doesn't mean they aren't people, every issue can be adressed rightly.

if I freak out on something does that mean I'm no longer a person?
 

Magenta

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The popes and priests of Roman Catholicism exist to keep you in bondage to their idolatry.
 
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BeyondET

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At that point, they are no longer people, like you or me, in need of Jesus' help?

Is not my point in all this getting through?
If I'm not understanding properly please fill me in, I'm well aware of the issue...
 
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BeyondET

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I will clarify my view, The stealing of the innocence rather in action or thought, it would better to have millstone tied around the neck and thrown into the deep sea.
 
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BeyondET

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Hmm I feel left in limbo, I don't want to raise the moat bridge, but I'm on the wheel guarding it.
 
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joefizz

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thank you for your views on this matter it helped and would still help to learn from what you all know so please continue to discuss this so I may understand more as well as others because I'm sure that others like myself don't get where all this pope stuff came from and if it is important or just another celebrity praise excuse.
 

notuptome

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They are blind leaders of the blind.

Rome claims that Peter was the first pope and that they have an unbroken line from Peter through today. The pope is seen as the vicar of Christ according to the ecf's teachings.

Just a mess to those who are outside of it. The roman catholic church is an organization while Christ came to establish an organism.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Magenta

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Some of the reasons why protestants are against Roman Catholic teachings:

God several times throughout Scripture says He will not share His glory,
while Catholics glorify, venerate, and adore Mary.

Jesus did not once in Scripture address Mary as His mother,
but Catholics call her the mother of humanity, and as if that
were not enough, the second Eve, and the queen of heaven.

Jesus never elevated Mary above others, but Catholics feel a need
to not just elevate Mary above others, but they put her on a par with
Jesus in terms of His sinlessness, (do you really think that she needed
to be sinless so that Jesus Christ could be sinless?).

Jesus said that anyone who did the will of God was His mother, His brother, His sister.

They are forced by so-called infallible papal decree to accept the Marian
dogmas of her bodily assumption and immaculate conception, neither of
which have any basis whatsoever in Scripture.

Jesus told us to pray to our Father in heaven, yet they pray to Mary,
because their popes tell them to despite what Jesus explicitly instructed.

Scripture clearly states that there is one intercessor between God
and man, yet their popes, bishops, priests, parishioners etc, will
tell you to pray to Mary, and other dead people, for intercession.

They fault those who do as Jesus suggested, while they
disobey Him to follow someone else instead.

We see nothing in Scripture to endorse her bodily assumption,
her perpetual virginity (Jesus had siblings after all, two of
whom have books in the Bible!), or her immaculate conception.

We see no need to pray to her, or any ability on her part, as dead
as she is believed to be, to intercede on our behalf against the
explicit words of Jesus in Scripture.

Within Catholicism, there is a drive to define a new Marian dogma
in which Catholics, as a matter of faith, would be obliged to accept:

1) Mary participates in redemption with Jesus Christ;

2) grace is granted by Jesus only through the intercession of Mary;

and 3) all prayers from the faithful must flow through Mary, who
brings them to the attention of her Son.

Scripture also tells us not to call anyone Father but God,
while they call many men "father" and blindly follow them.

They believe that a fallible man is the Rock that Jesus is building
His Church on, not a confession of faith divinely inspired by the
Holy Spirit of God, despite a plethora of Scriptures that attest
to the fact that God is the sole Rock of our salvation.

They teach purgatory, and many other things neither the apostles
nor Jesus ever taught. For instance, they claim priests must be celibate,
when they were not in the early church.

Another example would be infant baptism, nowhere promoted in Scripture.

They burned people at the stake for daring to read the Bible, which is what
Scripture tells us to do. Despite all this, and more, the Roman Catholic
Church considers herself the only valid expression of the community of God.
 
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joefizz

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very well put on what you said upon them putting mary on a pedestal,for you are right jesus never put her in high regard nor did God,and while it is note worthy that she is a person of great importance as far as that she accepted to conceive jesus and that she was one of jesus' followers,there is nowhere in the bible stated any reason to pray to her nor to praise her and while nuns or many other women find her to be a grand role model,it is nowhere mentioned in the bible that any woman was to strive to follow in her foot steps,it indeed says in the bible that virgins are holy, and that applies to both men and women,but it doesn't say that anyone must stay a virgin nor that anyone is to force anyone to stay a virgin as an act for God or Mary,so yes pure nonsense and misleadance is was such teachings are,belief is one thing, but both ignorance or misuse of God's word is totally different than supposedly believing,because if you decide on believing in something that isn't true or worse yet spreading such a lie intentionally,then you are are actually a worker of iniquity and God will say he does not know you when the time comes to tell what you have done for God,for how can you do for God if you know not or go against the truth of God's word?