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joefizz

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Well ,Nice Lady,to answer your question the difference even today is that a church is a place of no cursing,no saying God's name in vain,no influences of death such as cigarettes or worse yet beer,actually "caring" for each other instead of trying to be quote"nice" by giving someone a cigarette or buying someone a beer, that's just favors(that can kill but still favors)not caring,and in an "actual" church, people are "forgiving", there are many phony churches today so I get what you mean,though still yet again at a bar sure someone will be forgiving to you,for a few hours til their hang over wears off or if you give them money,but that's not being "forgiving" that's just a quick fix,and concerning whether or not people follow scriptures or preachers don't preach faithfully upon God's word,first off there are people like myself who follow the scriptures but if you are trying to indicate that everyone should follow the scriptures perfectly,that is impossible,for that would mean being under the law from the bible and noone can live like that because we'd all be dead,for noone can honestly say that they can live under it today,which is why Jesus was crucified for us,and was resurrected so that we could live under grace not law after Jesus fulfilled the law,not to say that it is gone or not still to be followed, it's just that we are to do right by God and help others whom are lost instead of having so much focus on the law,like commandments or statutes in the bible,alas many people think that this means we can behave anyway we want and receive heaven because they think the law is not to be followed at all because they misread the bible,the law was fulfilled by Jesus but never abolished,and I'm sure there are many in the world that follow the scriptures as best they can,you just clearly haven't seen or noticed anyone who does for whatever reason,second,my pastor preaches faithfully and I'm sure there are many others who do as well,though as I said there are phony or so called churches that don't teach nor preach what is truthfully written in the bible so I'm not surprised that you feel like that church is not for you because many so called churches force religion on to people,badger someone til they get baptized,act as if people can and must be perfect,or even twist the bible to their liking,it happens all the time,if you want to go to an "actual" church then learn what the difference is by their actions,if they try to force you to believe how they believe and don't strive to do right themselves then that isn't a church it's just a building,because the people are the church not the building in which you worship,if you go to a church and the people are compassionate toward you and actually admit that they themselves sin and strive to do right for God,then you are in the house of the lord and have found a church to possibly call home(it's up to you ,the first church you feel at peace at may not necessarily be the one you wish to commit to,just find which one you most feel at home with,)I hope you'll look into this,but of course I'm not going to bug you about this because I for one follow God and will not do wrong by him by pressuring you or trying to force you into this in anyway,this is your choice and all I'm allowed to do is tell you the truth and if you seek out a church or not by me trying to help you by way of the truth, then so be it,either way I'm content with knowing that I tried to help someone Learn the Truth about God's House!
 
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I would like to ask why u go to church if no where people obey the Scriptures? Even in most churches they dont preach the Word faithfully, let alone showing the example of obedience (at least the preacher). And what is anyway the difference these days between a bar (where people r nice and kind and forgiving and so on) and a church?
Gosh, you must travel a lot and attend many churches. I'm 72 years old, and I'll bet I couldn't truthfully tell you what more than a handful of churches in my own city believe and preach. And you even know what people are like in bars that I assume you never go to.... that's amazing.
 
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Well ,Nice Lady,to answer your question the difference even today is that a church is a place of no cursing,no saying God's name in vain,no influences of death such as cigarettes or worse yet beer,actually "caring" for each other instead of trying to be quote"nice" by giving someone a cigarette or buying someone a beer, that's just favors(that can kill but still favors)not caring,and in an "actual" church, people are "forgiving", there are many phony churches today so I get what you mean,though still yet again at a bar sure someone will be forgiving to you,for a few hours til their hang over wears off or if you give them money,but that's not being "forgiving" that's just a quick fix,and concerning whether or not people follow scriptures or preachers don't preach faithfully upon God's word,first off there are people like myself who follow the scriptures but if you are trying to indicate that everyone should follow the scriptures perfectly,that is impossible,for that would mean being under the law from the bible and noone can live like that because we'd all be dead,for noone can honestly say that they can live under it today,which is why Jesus was crucified for us,and was resurrected so that we could live under grace not law after Jesus fulfilled the law,not to say that it is gone or not still to be followed, it's just that we are to do right by God and help others whom are lost instead of having so much focus on the law,like commandments or statutes in the bible,alas many people think that this means we can behave anyway we want and receive heaven because they think the law is not to be followed at all because they misread the bible,the law was fulfilled by Jesus but never abolished,and I'm sure there are many in the world that follow the scriptures as best they can,you just clearly haven't seen or noticed anyone who does for whatever reason,second,my pastor preaches faithfully and I'm sure there are many others who do as well,though as I said there are phony or so called churches that don't teach nor preach what is truthfully written in the bible so I'm not surprised that you feel like that church is not for you because many so called churches force religion on to people,badger someone til they get baptized,act as if people can and must be perfect,or even twist the bible to their liking,it happens all the time,if you want to go to an "actual" church then learn what the difference is by their actions,if they try to force you to believe how they believe and don't strive to do right themselves then that isn't a church it's just a building,because the people are the church not the building in which you worship,if you go to a church and the people are compassionate toward you and actually admit that they themselves sin and strive to do right for God,then you are in the house of the lord and have found a church to possibly call home(it's up to you ,the first church you feel at peace at may not necessarily be the one you wish to commit to,just find which one you most feel at home with,)I hope you'll look into this,but of course I'm not going to bug you about this because I for one follow God and will not do wrong by him by pressuring you or trying to force you into this in anyway,this is your choice and all I'm allowed to do is tell you the truth and if you seek out a church or not by me trying to help you by way of the truth, then so be it,either way I'm content with knowing that I tried to help someone Learn the Truth about God's House!
Honestly, I'm not really too sure what you said here. But one of the places our preacher holds a Monday night Bible Study is at a pup across the street from a "homeless" park. And we have ashtrays outside our doors for smokers... some go to our church regularly, and sometimes the receptacles are just used by the people who attend our substance abuse classes during the week. No one is allowed to smoke inside due to State Laws. Our church is more a "hospital" than a "Monastery."
 
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Walters2017

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I attend seventh day Adventist church
 

mailmandan

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I attend seventh day Adventist church
I have a customer on my mail route who is a SDA and he is always trying to encourage me to tell my employer that I can't work on the Saturday Sabbath and implies that if I continue to work on Saturday that I will not be saved. Do all SDA's teach this?
 

EarnestQ

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Joefizz,

Respectfully, please use paragraphs. A wall of text is very hard to read.
 

hornetguy

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I've been a member at Greenville Oaks Church of Christ for the past almost 20 years....

Used to be called the Allen Church of Christ, but the elders were concerned that people might confuse us as being part of the "Boston Movement" of ultra-conservative cultists, so we changed the name.

It's grown from about 250 members to a high of just over a thousand, now we're back down to about 800 or so.

We have both a capella and instrumental services.

While it's not a perfect assembly (which one ever IS?) it has been our church family for quite some time.
 
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I've been a member at Greenville Oaks Church of Christ for the past almost 20 years....

Used to be called the Allen Church of Christ, but the elders were concerned that people might confuse us as being part of the "Boston Movement" of ultra-conservative cultists, so we changed the name.

It's grown from about 250 members to a high of just over a thousand, now we're back down to about 800 or so.

We have both a capella and instrumental services.

While it's not a perfect assembly (which one ever IS?) it has been our church family for quite some time.
Don't want to get known as one of Kip's gang. LOL
 

hornetguy

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Don't want to get known as one of Kip's gang. LOL
Right....

I was reading up on them a while ago, and a lot of their core beliefs/practices seem to have changed for the better since he took his "sabbatical".
 

OneFaith

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Christ only has one church, and I belong to it.
 

hornetguy

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Christ only has one church, and I belong to it.
I like that sentiment, but I hope it doesn't get in the way of your being a part of a body of believers somewhere. While it's true we should be part of Christ's church, we always need to remember that Christianity is a "team sport"...
 
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I'm with the Church of God out of Southeast Alaska,thanks for asking.