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    well hello everyone okie dokie, well I wasn't sure where I should post this, but I think this is the best place for it..

    So I work in a middle school as an office clerk/receptionist, and seeing how the kids behave and interact with one another, has really opened my eyes to see how evil/bad this world is becoming, I mean I know nothing in this world is good, but I guess I always saw children as innocent and pure and just plain angels, But boy was I wrong, then I remembered how public schools were when I was a kid, and how bad and mean kids used to be to me, and how my mother thought putting me in a private school would change that, which it didn't it just got worse, so she had no other choice than to put me in home school.

    Now this is where my question begins. Many people believe, that if you home school your children, they will become outcasts, antisocial, or just plain awkward, and weird and not able to function in the real world, this may be the case for some, but if I'm honest I used to be like that as kid growing up in a "normal school", I didn't fit in at all, yet when I got pulled out of school, I became extremely social, (I broke out of my shell).

    So.... I guess I would just like to see everyone's opinion about Homeschooling. should kids go to school and interact with the world and their teachings, or stay and study at home and have a christian perspective curriculum. Thank you!

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    Homeschooled people are weirdos j/k j/k

    You already know what I think about it. I think it can be a good idea within Christian families to do this as long as the kids are still exposed to other children in order to develop proper social skills. I think it's unrealistic in some cases since it costs so much for some people to live and just get by and it often takes both parents working to provide.

    But, if the right conditions can be met and the family is still being provided for, I'd be all for it.
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    Hey, I totally agree with you, I had the same experiance in school, exact same experiance, got picked on and teased, became a social out cast. I hated school. It's an absolute waste of tax dollars. home schooling is in my oppinion the best and only reasonable choice. Because it is Gods intention for the parents to be responcible for their children.
    It is Gods intention that they be taught right from wrong, and the only way for a child to be raised properly is if they are raised at home. Under their parents.

    Why would someone be dumb enough to leave the raising of their children to a hethan with no moral or ethics,
    Like the government, yes many good people with good morals and ethics work in the system, but the ones at the top of the chain making the rules are the ones who are highly questionable. I mean who in their right mind would teach homosexuality as acceptable?

    Who would even consider leaving their child to a government that thinks its ok to teach sexual education to grade 3's?
    I would say the best way to teach your children is to teach them your self.

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    well hello everyone okie dokie, well I wasn't sure where I should post this, but I think this is the best place for it..

    So I work in a middle school as an office clerk/receptionist, and seeing how the kids behave and interact with one another, has really opened my eyes to see how evil/bad this world is becoming, I mean I know nothing in this world is good, but I guess I always saw children as innocent and pure and just plain angels, But boy was I wrong, then I remembered how public schools were when I was a kid, and how bad and mean kids used to be to me, and how my mother thought putting me in a private school would change that, which it didn't it just got worse, so she had no other choice than to put me in home school.

    Now this is where my question begins. Many people believe, that if you home school your children, they will become outcasts, antisocial, or just plain awkward, and weird and not able to function in the real world, this may be the case for some, but if I'm honest I used to be like that as kid growing up in a "normal school", I didn't fit in at all, yet when I got pulled out of school, I became extremely social, (I broke out of my shell).

    So.... I guess I would just like to see everyone's opinion about Homeschooling. should kids go to school and interact with the world and their teachings, or stay and study at home and have a christian perspective curriculum. Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_am_Canadian View Post
    Hey, I totally agree with you, I had the same experiance in school, exact same experiance, got picked on and teased, became a social out cast. I hated school. It's an absolute waste of tax dollars. home schooling is in my oppinion the best and only reasonable choice. Because it is Gods intention for the parents to be responcible for their children.
    It is Gods intention that they be taught right from wrong, and the only way for a child to be raised properly is if they are raised at home. Under their parents.

    Why would someone be dumb enough to leave the raising of their children to a hethan with no moral or ethics,
    Like the government, yes many good people with good morals and ethics work in the system, but the ones at the top of the chain making the rules are the ones who are highly questionable. I mean who in their right mind would teach homosexuality as acceptable?

    Who would even consider leaving their child to a government that thinks its ok to teach sexual education to grade 3's?
    I would say the best way to teach your children is to teach them your self.
    Let me just say that you painted everyone with a very wide sweeping brush here to call everyone that doesn't home school their kids dumb. My parents didn't home school me. Such dummies. They were too busy working to feed me and my sisters though, and pay rent, and buy us clothing and shoes. Had very little left over for anything else.

    While I agree with a lot of what you said, I think you leave out the possibly of some people not having the luxury of enough money for one parent to stay out of work, and what about single parents? They dumb too? Maybe be a little more considerate when giving your opinion about something.
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    You may want to search the site for this topic as there are many existing threads.
    Mostly people who bash home schooling are parrots repeating what they hear others say.
    Home schooled kids are often sought after by colleges and universities because, on average, they have higher grades, are more focused and mature and have a wider range of extracurricular experiences.

    How good or bad a home schooler turns out is primarily focused on the parent. Some parents do this to hide their kids away from evil. These are the awkward, unsocialized types because the parent didn't let them do anything. But one of my friends home schooled and in her area there were a large number if others as well. There were multiple home school groups, secular and Christian, to choose from. She was in a Christian group and actually many of the mother's there said their kids were so busy with activities they had to cut back because the school wasn't getting it's proper attention. No lack of sociization because the parents have them access to things outside the house regularly.
    Granted not everyone will have access to such groups, but steps can still be taken to get your kid out.

    If I had kids I would prefer them to be home schooled if possible, especially in this day and age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForthAngel View Post
    Homeschooled people are weirdos j/k j/k

    You already know what I think about it. I think it can be a good idea within Christian families to do this as long as the kids are still exposed to other children in order to develop proper social skills. I think it's unrealistic in some cases since it costs so much for some people to live and just get by and it often takes both parents working to provide.

    But, if the right conditions can be met and the family is still being provided for, I'd be all for it.
    i wish i was homeschooled

    the only social skills i learned from being around other children were wicked
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    I'm homeschooling my kids. As far as I can see, there isn't anything wrong with homeschooling. Parents should be free to make the decision to put their kids through private, public, or homeschool.


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    I think it all depends on the family doing it.

    I know some home schooled kids that got a very good education, and when they went off to college, they were very strong in the faith.
    I know other home schooled kids that went off to college, and they immediately melted down under all the peer pressure... and completely lost their faith.

    I think it all depends on the family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
    i wish i was homeschooled

    the only social skills i learned from being around other children were wicked
    Yeah, I'm not against homeschooling. Learn some bad stuff in public school. But it isn't always an option. Plus, it's important the kids have social contact with other kids. I have some family my age that were home schooled without much social interaction between them and other kids growing up. They suffered for it in the long run IMO. I am also of the mind that exposure to what's wrong isn't always a bad thing. Parents should be there either way to discipline their children and teach them wrong from right, whether it be private school, home school, or public school.

    Also, you can't run from sin. It's gonna be there no matter what. Homeschooling doesn't change this fact IMO.

    My son is in public school right now. I'm in no position to home school him. As much as he learns that is bad and wrong (I make sure to teach him it's wrong, and in contrast what's right), he also learns teamwork skills, how to interact appropriately with peers, and things of that nature. I present to him scripture and truths from scripture and don't force him to accept or not accept (like I don't say believe this or else I'll disown you! or whip you! or anything like that, but I do tell him the truth about things, and things from the bible, what his relationship as a fallen human is to God, the Gospel, the consequences of sin, etc.).

    Forcing a child can also breed rebellion (it did for me). He hears the truth contrary to many things he gets taught in school (for instance evolution vs creation), and is left to make up his own mind, and so far God has blessed him with a sense of morality and understanding of the truth (especially in comparison to me at his age)). He'll be a teenager next year though and I hope the truth has taken solid root in him.

    I'm not sure homeschooling him would have made one difference either way, or maybe I'm wrong. I guess I'll never know. But Mcgee, you know I'm reformed, so I believe in the sovereignty of God in all matters. This is one of those things I have to trust God on and hope and pray he has allowed me to set my son on the right course, and that God will continue to direct his path when the day comes that he's old enough to fully decide for himself.
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    Ahhh. You always hear it . Are homeschoolers really socialized??? Well, I can tell you as a homeschooled kid that I can actually carry on a conversation! I'm not on my technology all the time so I have to learn (horrors!) to actually talk to the people around me.

    I have been observing homeschoolers vs. public schoolers all my life, and the one thing that I have concluded across the board is that homeschoolers can talk to people of different age groups better than public schoolers can.
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    Hello!
    I was home schooled all the way through using christian based curriculum's until the last three years of high school which then I changed over to a distance education school...studying from from home (is that still home schooling? :P).....and that was a secular curriculum.
    The reason my parents chose to home school myself and my siblings is because they both felt that they needed to focus on the character of our heart, our attitudes, our work ethics and our relationship with the Father at a young age so that we would be ready for the future.
    Peer pressure is intense! and its hard to say no sometimes! the influences can pull at kids growing up...the enemy wants them to fall, and if our foundations aren't strong we wont be able to stand against the him or the world...and when you go to school for so many hours of the day it can be hard to give your kids the time they need to truly understand Gods standards and strengthen those foundations....I'm not saying its impossible to do in school....but it is definitely much harder to do!
    "Not of the world but in it"
    Being a home school grad I definitely have no issues in socializing, I love it! :P and Ive met many people that have gone to public school and they find it really difficult socializing and talking with different personality types...being a little shy or introverted is celebrated in today's society (which is great! ) but home schoolers are targeted if they say that prefer being "loners" or that they have only a "few" friends...
    I'm currently studying a diploma is Massage outside of the home and feel like I was prepared enough to stand by the things I feel God has placed in my heart homeschooling doesn't just focus on the educational needs of the child, it focuses on the child as a whole emotionally, educationally, mentally, environmentally and spiritually if done in a christian home.
    I am definitely not against schools but I wont promote the curriculum they use especially with the changes that are coming in to schools now...
    Blessings! xo

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    I am a teacher, and I personally would not homeschool my children. I know the amount of learning and hard work it took to become a teacher. I know a lot of parents are not qualified to teach even elementary school. When a father told me his daughter in grade 11 was trying to learn to cook, and had decided to learn fractions, he said it showed how well home schooling worked. Well, I almost lost it. I couldn't have been more sad for those children. The mother never finished high school, and let's face it, even with a solid science background, I would not want to be teaching physics, chemistry or math, and I was very good at it. So most parents admit they can't teach it, and put their kids on correspondence lessons. Except, where i the socialization, the interaction with teachers, etc? My opinion, of course!

    And in Canada, we have lots of choices within the public school system. So you can go to a Christian school, or Islamic or Jewish school, and the province pays a lot of the fees, how much depending upon which province.

    I do think it is very important though, to be on top of what your children are learning. I was quite surprised when my son phoned me to talk about the kindergarten open houses they went to for our oldest granddaughter. He saw right through the humanist nonsense of their local school, and felt the French immersion had the highest standards. (They do, they still teach old style teaching! I taught French immersion for a while!)

    But, my DIL liked the gifted program, and our granddaughter tested out high enough, plus good behaviour and such a real joy for learning, that she got accepted for that program.

    I think it is sad that things are not run that way in the US.

    My children were always in fundamental or traditional schools and/or French Immersion. Some of those kids were spoiled brats, but the teachers were good. My daughter, when she got to HS figured out how to identify a homeschooled kid at 50 paces. In fact, she befriended one young Mormon girl, who literally stopped eating and threatened to commit suicide if her parents did not put her into public school. My daughter showed her the ropes, yanked her back when she went over board the other way, and got her into social work, and she now has a career. They are still close friends, 11 years out of high school.

    So, I truly believe options are the way to go. But not vouchers. Nope, that doesn't work for me, either.
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    When and if I have children I want them homeschooled. Yes, there are many parents that don't do it properly, but I do believe that the parents who do this need to also be active in learning the materials that need to be covered in the public school system while teaching their kids
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    Thank you all for your opinions

    I_am_canadian= yea home school would be my choice when I have children of my own but as Forthangel and many others have pointed out it's not possible for everyone. I thank God my mom was able to homeschool my brothers and I.

    Ugly= true I should have researched the site first instead of starting another post about homeschooling but thank you for your thoughts

    Tinuviel= True I always noticed that people that were homeschooled have no problems with talking to other age groups and being very mature for their age.

    Angela53510= Thank you for your point of view as a teacher. I know all the teachers that I work with always ask me that too, if my my mother was qualified to teach me and the truth is she wasn't, but she did pick Abekaacademy which is a great DVD course program and when I needed help or just couldn't understand the materials I was able to just pick up the phone and talk to a school representative and that did help me a lot. I may not be the brightest but I definitely didn't get the same attention in public or private school.

    Thank you all guys/lady's for responding. I loved reading all of your opinions and may God bless you all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela53510 View Post
    I am a teacher, and I personally would not homeschool my children. I know the amount of learning and hard work it took to become a teacher. I know a lot of parents are not qualified to teach even elementary school. When a father told me his daughter in grade 11 was trying to learn to cook, and had decided to learn fractions, he said it showed how well home schooling worked. Well, I almost lost it. I couldn't have been more sad for those children. The mother never finished high school, and let's face it, even with a solid science background, I would not want to be teaching physics, chemistry or math, and I was very good at it. So most parents admit they can't teach it, and put their kids on correspondence lessons. Except, where i the socialization, the interaction with teachers, etc? My opinion, of course!

    And in Canada, we have lots of choices within the public school system. So you can go to a Christian school, or Islamic or Jewish school, and the province pays a lot of the fees, how much depending upon which province.

    I do think it is very important though, to be on top of what your children are learning. I was quite surprised when my son phoned me to talk about the kindergarten open houses they went to for our oldest granddaughter. He saw right through the humanist nonsense of their local school, and felt the French immersion had the highest standards. (They do, they still teach old style teaching! I taught French immersion for a while!)

    But, my DIL liked the gifted program, and our granddaughter tested out high enough, plus good behaviour and such a real joy for learning, that she got accepted for that program.

    I think it is sad that things are not run that way in the US.

    My children were always in fundamental or traditional schools and/or French Immersion. Some of those kids were spoiled brats, but the teachers were good. My daughter, when she got to HS figured out how to identify a homeschooled kid at 50 paces. In fact, she befriended one young Mormon girl, who literally stopped eating and threatened to commit suicide if her parents did not put her into public school. My daughter showed her the ropes, yanked her back when she went over board the other way, and got her into social work, and she now has a career. They are still close friends, 11 years out of high school.

    So, I truly believe options are the way to go. But not vouchers. Nope, that doesn't work for me, either.
    The US has a ton of options too. It's really up to the parents to decide what they think is best. I am greatful that we live in such places where we can make that choice.
    I know that I don't know everything that my kids will be learning but that means I get to learn too. the best part is that I don't need a degree to teach my kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steph89 View Post
    well hello everyone okie dokie, well I wasn't sure where I should post this, but I think this is the best place for it..

    So I work in a middle school as an office clerk/receptionist, and seeing how the kids behave and interact with one another, has really opened my eyes to see how evil/bad this world is becoming, I mean I know nothing in this world is good, but I guess I always saw children as innocent and pure and just plain angels, But boy was I wrong, then I remembered how public schools were when I was a kid, and how bad and mean kids used to be to me, and how my mother thought putting me in a private school would change that, which it didn't it just got worse, so she had no other choice than to put me in home school.

    Now this is where my question begins. Many people believe, that if you home school your children, they will become outcasts, antisocial, or just plain awkward, and weird and not able to function in the real world, this may be the case for some, but if I'm honest I used to be like that as kid growing up in a "normal school", I didn't fit in at all, yet when I got pulled out of school, I became extremely social, (I broke out of my shell).

    So.... I guess I would just like to see everyone's opinion about Homeschooling. should kids go to school and interact with the world and their teachings, or stay and study at home and have a christian perspective curriculum. Thank you!
    So, you work in the office? Is that the Good Kid's office or the Principal's office? Because don't you consider the fact you keep running into the Not-Good-Kids most of the time in the Principal's office?

    I'd hate to think an entire school is being judge only by the kids who go to the Principal's office. And, oh yeah, I was there a few times because my parents were going to pick me up. But, even then, you wouldn't have noticed me. I was the silent kid just waiting. The one you probably didn't even notice, although... honestly? I was checking you out. I wanted to work in the Principal's office because that's where all the reports and grades were held, and I was (and still am) snoopy. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForthAngel View Post
    Homeschooled people are weirdos j/k j/k

    You already know what I think about it. I think it can be a good idea within Christian families to do this as long as the kids are still exposed to other children in order to develop proper social skills. I think it's unrealistic in some cases since it costs so much for some people to live and just get by and it often takes both parents working to provide.

    But, if the right conditions can be met and the family is still being provided for, I'd be all for it.
    "Exposed to other children in order to develop proper social skills" is part of the curriculum, I thought.

    I used to type up the paperwork for the school boards written by parents who were going to homeschool. It looked like a business plan and had to include all the state guidelines. That was one of them. Every week, the kids had to participate in some planned activity with other kids. (Anything from Little League to field trips with other HS kids.)

    Isn't that true for all 50 states? (IDK. I only live in one state. lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_am_Canadian View Post
    Hey, I totally agree with you, I had the same experiance in school, exact same experiance, got picked on and teased, became a social out cast. I hated school. It's an absolute waste of tax dollars. home schooling is in my oppinion the best and only reasonable choice. Because it is Gods intention for the parents to be responcible for their children.
    It is Gods intention that they be taught right from wrong, and the only way for a child to be raised properly is if they are raised at home. Under their parents.

    Why would someone be dumb enough to leave the raising of their children to a hethan with no moral or ethics,
    Like the government, yes many good people with good morals and ethics work in the system, but the ones at the top of the chain making the rules are the ones who are highly questionable. I mean who in their right mind would teach homosexuality as acceptable?

    Who would even consider leaving their child to a government that thinks its ok to teach sexual education to grade 3's?
    I would say the best way to teach your children is to teach them your self.
    Honestly? We were a two-income family. We'd have to be, if we had kids. In order to homeschool the kids, that says one of us would need to work a first shift, and the other one would need to work a second or third shift. AND that means the parents wouldn't see much of each other until the kids were grown, nor would the kids experience much home life with both parents around at the same time.

    Are you so rich you can't see this as a problem?

    Hard to believe, but my parents were able to instill their values into us while we went to public schools. (Got Mom into trouble more than once, but no way was she going to take it lying down. lol)
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    "Exposed to other children in order to develop proper social skills" is part of the curriculum, I thought.

    I used to type up the paperwork for the school boards written by parents who were going to homeschool. It looked like a business plan and had to include all the state guidelines. That was one of them. Every week, the kids had to participate in some planned activity with other kids. (Anything from Little League to field trips with other HS kids.)

    Isn't that true for all 50 states? (IDK. I only live in one state. lol)
    No, it is not a requirement in other states. In fact, these days all we have to do in MN is to send in a letter of intent ("yes, I will be homeschooling child X Y and Z in the 2017-2018 school year) you don't even need to tell what grade they're in.

    That being said, I don't know any homeschool families who purposely keep their kids from scocial interaction with other children. Heck, I'm 18 and we'll still have homeschool families coming over to visit. They go faster in the running games than most of the public schoolers I've played with
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly View Post
    You may want to search the site for this topic as there are many existing threads.
    Mostly people who bash home schooling are parrots repeating what they hear others say.
    Home schooled kids are often sought after by colleges and universities because, on average, they have higher grades, are more focused and mature and have a wider range of extracurricular experiences.

    How good or bad a home schooler turns out is primarily focused on the parent. Some parents do this to hide their kids away from evil. These are the awkward, unsocialized types because the parent didn't let them do anything. But one of my friends home schooled and in her area there were a large number if others as well. There were multiple home school groups, secular and Christian, to choose from. She was in a Christian group and actually many of the mother's there said their kids were so busy with activities they had to cut back because the school wasn't getting it's proper attention. No lack of sociization because the parents have them access to things outside the house regularly.
    Granted not everyone will have access to such groups, but steps can still be taken to get your kid out.

    If I had kids I would prefer them to be home schooled if possible, especially in this day and age.
    There is a drastic third option. Dyslexia runs deep on the male side of my family. Add to that one of my cousins married someone with dyslexia. And then they had three boys -- all with dyslexia.

    She spent years working with her sons 6 hours per night and 8 hours on weekends just to keep them up with the rest of the class. And her brother and SIL was having the same problem with their son. (Her brother was also dyslexic. So is one of my brothers.)

    There was a Montessori school near them that was closing their doors. So the two SIL bought it, charged tuition, hired teachers, and then spent their days teaching there, helping their sons and many more, giving them weekends back. lol

    All three of her sons graduated college with honors.
    Lynn

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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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