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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberlight View Post
    There will always be a problem revealing knowledge that comes from the spirit to people who do not have the spirit

    I am afraid that any attempt to convince her will likely only increase her rejection of Jesus as our divine lord.
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    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...wOL1298ayUXXZv
    I don't know if you found help but theres a website with scripture about the Trinity, and he prayed at Gethsemane because he wanted to communicate with God, but if he's "God" how can he pray to himself, I get how she wonders that, but the answer is that he isn't God himself but is part of God, sooo yeah, Idk if that helped but...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    I was hoping someone would bring that up - Thank you Adstar.

    I guess I have two potential answers to that question:

    1. I'm deluding myself thinking that she is a Christian, and I'm being stupid in marrying her.
    2. Only the Lord truly knows someone's heart, and how can I know who is or isn't saved?

    What is your opinion Adstar?

    What should I do?
    Seriously? Once again you step away from standing with the Lord to let someone else give you an opinion that you already know the answer to, but will not act upon.

    If you truly don't know what to do, don't get married. Don't get married until you are a man of God and know what to do. Because, seriously, dude. A wife is to submit to her husband under the assumption he is man enough to submit to the Lord. You won't even do that yet. We're women. WE'RE the weaker vessels, so we really can't live under a vessel made of morning frost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mj007 View Post
    Out of the two of you, who do consider to be the more loving, understanding, compassionate, Christ-like person? No one is truly alike or equally the same and more often than not, can be quite opposite.

    To me if someone is a truly loving and beautiful hearted person, then that makes them more of a Christian than those who intellectualise belief systems (that is all they are, belief systems, mind sets) as being more important than love.

    Why for example, do you remain together, if it is not love that is the reason, that love is somehow 'higher', far beyond the differences?

    Love is the branch. The arrangement of the mind, is however, forever changing. But people like to tell themselves it never changes. It changes constantly.

    Maybe you do not like my opinion, or maybe you agree with it, it doesn't really matter. Already the mind is re-arranging. But if we love each other humbly as fellow beings on this planet, that is what matters.

    From separation of difference, to amalgamation of differentness.
    He'll love your opinion. It agrees with his, which is the problem in the first place.
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    And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. Rom. 8:28

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    Love Jesus first always, and then just Love her to the best of your ability,
    and live your life for your Saviour as best as you can or are willing to do...

    your walk, if you are walking for Him, doesn't make a difference, then,
    just keep-on walking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    I was hoping someone would bring that up - Thank you Adstar.

    I guess I have two potential answers to that question:

    1. I'm deluding myself thinking that she is a Christian, and I'm being stupid in marrying her.
    2. Only the Lord truly knows someone's heart, and how can I know who is or isn't saved?

    What is your opinion Adstar?

    What should I do?
    I'm going with option 1.

    Even you stated that the Deity of Christ is essential doctrine which flipped on it's head means that if someone does not believe that Christ is God, they are not a Christian.

    It may not seem to be a big deal right now but what happens once you are married?

    Do you plan on having children? What are they going to be taught? That Christ was a good, moral teacher or that he was God himself? Believe it or not "minor" issues like this in child rearing often cause divorce.

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    Depleted and Oncefallen both said it well.

    The way I see it this.

    1. You want your wife to be a Christian and have orthodox doctrine, including the Trinity and the deity of Christ. I agree!

    2. You love this woman and you want to marry her, in fact you WILL marry her! Except she doesn't believe in number 1 above!

    So, your solution is to change her! Except, no one can change another person, only God. And you do not know if God will change her, and this heretical belief system.

    Again, think long term, not short term lust/infatuation or even love. Because with this conflict in essential deludes, your are destined for conflict, and problems. And think of any hildren. How are you going up feel if she teaches them Jesus isn't Gid?

    I thank God for my husband, and that we totally agreed in the fundamentals of our faith, and raised our child as unified parents. There are do many lies in the world. Children need to come home to parents who believe the same thing, not to conflict.

    My warning is that you will come to regret this, in the long term. I know that is not what you wanted to hear, but I am telling the truth!

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    i grew up up southern baptist and was always taught trinity doctrine but i have some questions about this doctrine
    Nowhere in the Bible does Christ claim deity or ask to be worshiped,. He always concedes to the Father God.Also nowhere in the Bible does it say that Trinity doctrine is essential for salvation
    Stuff and things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude653 View Post
    i grew up up southern baptist and was always taught trinity doctrine but i have some questions about this doctrine
    Nowhere in the Bible does Christ claim deity or ask to be worshiped,. He always concedes to the Father God.Also nowhere in the Bible does it say that Trinity doctrine is essential for salvation
    Simple. Stop thinking you are saved because you grew up in a church and start reading the word. Gospel of John. Yes, he most surely does say he is the I AM!

    The only way someone can believe Jesus isn't God and God isn't triune is to not read the Bible. The only people who do not read the Bible are the unsaved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Depleted View Post
    Simple. Stop thinking you are saved because you grew up in a church and start reading the word. Gospel of John. Yes, he most surely does say he is the I AM!

    The only way someone can believe Jesus isn't God and God isn't triune is to not read the Bible. The only people who do not read the Bible are the unsaved.
    I read the Bible in its entirety multiple times and no where in the Bible does Jesus Christ claim divinity
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    There in lies your problem, your trying to do it, only God can get through to her to reveal the truth,
    Just keep praying, and don't be so forceful, if you keep trying to convince her, you will push her away, and possibly turn her off of learning the truth. If she wants to know she will ask you, just pray that God reaches into her heart and reveal the truth to her.

    With her background, do not be surprised if it takes years to teach her the truth. If she asks you a question just answer it from an unbiased approach, you know the truth about the trinity, and you know the verses, if she asks, then just say here is why I believe it and here is what the Bible says about it.

    For example, I believe that Jesus is God in the flesh, born of a virgin. Because The old testimate predicts a messiah would be born of a Virgin, and the New Testimate confirms that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. He also said he is the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but by him. The Bible also says that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, The New testimate is clear that In the beginning was the word, and the word was made flesh and dwealt amongst us.

    I also believe Jesus is God and that God is one God dwelling in 3 people, The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit because, In genesis, God said let us make man in our image, us and our are a clear indication that it is plural and there is more than one, even though God said it. Then in the New testimate It clearly states that there are 3 that bear record in heaven, The father, The word, and the holy Ghost, and these three are one, and again, if Jesus is not God how could his blood cleanse us of our sins, if he was just a man? his blood couldn't be accepted by God because it would have been tainted with sin like every other human being on earth. The blood of the sacrifice had to be pure and without blemish. That's why Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life, no man cometh unto the Father but by me.

    I hope this helps you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    Hello everyone

    My fiance and I have known each other for 6 years, have been dating for 3 years, and have been engaged for 4 months.

    I've always known that she doesn't believe in the Trinity. Despite that, I've always believed that she is the woman I'm meant to be with. I have prayed countless times for God to take her away from me if she is not the right woman for me, and He hasn't! Our relationship is pretty perfect really, but there's just this one issue that bothers me.

    She identifies as a Christian, and I believe that she is a Christian. She just believes that based on an unbiased, straight-forward reading of the bible, there is nothing to prove that Jesus is God. She also can't see how Jesus praying to God in the Garden of Gethsemane makes any sense at all. I've showed her all the bible verses that we rely upon in defense of the Trinity, but she doesn't think they make a strong enough case in favour of it. In fairness to her, there are no unambiguous bible verses that clearly spell out the Trinity; rather it is a combination of verses that we use to understand the Trinity. I've showed her John 1:1, but she just doesn't see it.

    She and I have had many many many conversations about this, and has told me that she will probably never change her mind about it. She has also asked that I stop trying to change her mind about it. I have told her in no uncertain terms that I will be talking to her about this for the rest of her life.

    She grew up as a Mormon - but renounced Mormonism long before I met her. This is probably where her views come from. But herein lies the problem. She knows that from childhood she was fooled into believing the lies of Mormonism. She is now (understandably) extremely reluctant to simply believe things just because a lot of people say its true. So its not going to be easy to help her to understand the truth.

    What should I do here? How do I help her to see the truth?

    Oh and not marrying her is not an option. She is far more likely to find the truth with me than without me, in my estimation.

    Thank you
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    "Oh and not marrying her is not an option. She is far more likely to find the truth with me than without me, in my estimation."
    What about God's estimation? If you do not agree on who God is as described in the bible does that not make you unequally yoked? Trouble ahead? Have nothing to do with those who preach another doctrine. Maybe God has closed the door on your relationship you just want him to close it your way and not his way. What do you want him to do when you say take her away from you? He has made it clear in scripture. You complicate your life if you go ahead and marry. Only the Holy Spirit can cause her to see the truth. Maybe there is someone else who is meant for her and someone else meant for you. If she cannot say my Lord and my God to Jesus like Thomas did she is not there yet.

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    "Oh and not marrying her is not an option. She is far more likely to find the truth with me than without me, in my estimation."
    What about God's estimation? If you do not agree on who God is as described in the bible does that not make you unequally yoked? Trouble ahead? Have nothing to do with those who preach another doctrine. Maybe God has closed the door on your relationship you just want him to close it your way and not his way. What do you want him to do when you say take her away from you? He has made it clear in scripture. You complicate your life if you go ahead and marry. Only the Holy Spirit can cause her to see the truth. Maybe there is someone else who is meant for her and someone else meant for you. If she cannot say my Lord and my God to Jesus like Thomas did she is not there yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude653 View Post
    I read the Bible in its entirety multiple times and no where in the Bible does Jesus Christ claim divinity
    How can you be a cc member that long and not seen the multiple threads refuting your views. No,wait,DESTROYING them?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by tourist View Post
    Teach her about salvation, that Jesus died on the cross for her sins, that she should contritely confess the sins of her past life, not one by one but just say that she is sorry for the times that she has sinned, invite the Holy Spirit to live in her heart and to guide her path in a new spiritual direction.

    Most Christians will not agree with everything, even if its in the bible but should pray for discernment in seeking out the truth and applying it in their lives.

    You can certainly discuss these things with her but don't do it everyday and don't pressure her. Let things flow naturally.

    No relation is perfect and certainly no marriage is perfect either. It takes a tremendous amount of prayer and hard worth. It's a life-long process.

    Glad to have you join us. Welcome to CC.
    Bingo.

    Get her born again. ...."THEN" she will know who Jesus is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    Hello everyone

    My fiance and I have known each other for 6 years, have been dating for 3 years, and have been engaged for 4 months.

    I've always known that she doesn't believe in the Trinity.
    Believing in the Trinity or not believing in the Trinity is irrelevant to ones Salvation. For one to be Saved they merely need to believe in Jesus and Love One Another. Doctrinal issues are just that, Doctrinal issues NOT Salvation issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post

    Despite that, I've always believed that she is the woman I'm meant to be with. I have prayed countless times for God to take her away from me if she is not the right woman for me, and He hasn't! Our relationship is pretty perfect really, but there's just this one issue that bothers me.
    It is one issue that you allow satan to bother you about, is more accurate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    She identifies as a Christian, and I believe that she is a Christian. She just believes that based on an unbiased, straight-forward reading of the bible, there is nothing to prove that Jesus is God.
    Oh the simplicity to merely believe as a child without needing proof. Why is it not enough that she is Christian? Must she believe all doctrinal issues that you believe in order to have a good marriage? Is it your place to convict her or is it the place of the Holy Spirit to convict her. If God wants her to know and understand the Trinity, then God will see to it that she does. But it seems it bothers YOU that she does not believe as you do, therefore you have tried to convince her right? You have shown her verse after verse after verse trying to persuade her to believe as YOU believe. (Note: not saying your wrong, because you are not wrong, only saying it is not that great of an issue that she does not believe as you believe. Now if she disagrees with the Word of God that may be another issue that may be serious)

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    She also can't see how Jesus praying to God in the Garden of Gethsemane makes any sense at all.
    Then she needs to ask God for understanding, and HE will give it to her. Maybe it is not for YOU to give it to her, but for her to find it for herself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    I've showed her all the bible verses that we rely upon in defense of the Trinity, but she doesn't think they make a strong enough case in favour of it. In fairness to her, there are no unambiguous bible verses that clearly spell out the Trinity; rather it is a combination of verses that we use to understand the Trinity. I've showed her John 1:1, but she just doesn't see it.
    No unambiguous Bible verses that clearly spell out the Trinity? Yeah there is.

    1Jn_5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    The Trinity spelled out quite clearly. Now if she does not believe Scriptures for this reason or that reason, that is an issue that needs to be addressed. You either believe ALL verses are inspired by God or you don't believe the Word of God. To many people in this last days generation pick and choose which verses they will believe in and which ones they will 1) ignore 2) make void or 3) interpret away. But it is ONLY when you believe ALL verses that a person can come close to understanding the TRUTH of Scriptures, the mystery of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    She and I have had many many many conversations about this, and has told me that she will probably never change her mind about it.
    Did God tell you that it was your responsibility to convince her of the Trinity, or is that something YOU desire to do? You need to question yourself why it is that you are so adamant that on this particular issue you want her to believe exactly as you believe. Can't you pray to God "God, i have told her the TRUTH, it is up to you now, to show her the reality of it" Then let it be. Let God decide when He will convince her of the TRUTH. You keep pushing her to believe as you do, you will only push her away from the TRUTH farther than she already is on this matter. You have told her the TRUTH concerning the Trinity, your words will not come back void, now stand back and let God do His thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    She has also asked that I stop trying to change her mind about it.
    lol, exactly what i said just above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    I have told her in no uncertain terms that I will be talking to her about this for the rest of her life.
    And i assure you, as long as you continue to do that, you are in the way for God to do His stuff on her,

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    She grew up as a Mormon - but renounced Mormonism long before I met her. This is probably where her views come from. But herein lies the problem. She knows that from childhood she was fooled into believing the lies of Mormonism. She is now (understandably) extremely reluctant to simply believe things just because a lot of people say its true. So its not going to be easy to help her to understand the truth.
    Again who is whispering to you that it is your place to help her understand the Truth? True you did the Godly thing by telling her the TRUTH concerning the Trinity, now get out of the way and let God have the wheel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    What should I do here? How do I help her to see the truth?
    The only thing God requires of us to reveal the Truth. NOT convince people of the Truth. You have told her the Truth concerning the topic of the Trinity, YOU have done what God wanted you to do, now let God work on her in His own time. Seriously though the problem i see, is in you. Why is it so important to YOU that she believes the Trinity, which has nothing to do with her Salvation. She is Saved, she is going to Heaven, but for some reason you feel you have a HUGE problem with her because she does not believe the Truth concerning the Trinity. Why? That is something i think you need to address, try to figure out why satan has got you so riled up over a topic that isn't even a Salvation issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post
    Oh and not marrying her is not an option. She is far more likely to find the truth with me than without me, in my estimation.
    Your estimation is wrong. She is far more likely to find out the Truth from God than from you. You have told her the Truth about the Trinity, drop it already and let God work on her now. All you will do is push her away the more you try to PUSH your belief onto her. Step aside and let God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver750 View Post

    Thank you
    Your welcome. Please don't take this post the wrong way. i am not angry or upset with you, and all this was said to you in a loving way, even though you can't tell by mere writing it. You are right about the Trinity, you need not convince her your right about it. Love you brother. You and her both will be in my prayer tonight.


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