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LaurieB

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Marc, I can easily show biblical support for "my position" ... My position is that it is o.k. to discipline a child with a spanking at times ... That is supported here ...

Proverbs 13:24 [SUP]24[/SUP]Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

However, no verse in the Bible supports the "stripping of a child naked" and embarrassing them as a form of punishment, which is your position ... Clearly there IS support for my position, while there is NO support for your position ... As I stated earlier, even more troubling is that you believe your twisted philosophy "should be" practiced by "all" Christian parents ... I realize your 78 years old and old school ... I also am old school about many things ... But I must see undeniable proof in the Bible for those old school positions ... In this case, your position is not supported anywhere within the Bible at all ... That is why it is extremely arrogant to suggest that "all Christians" should have the same philosophy as yourself ... You cannot even provide any evidence that "one" Christian parent should have the same philosophy as yourself ...

I would like to ask this: It seems that all discipline of children in the Bible is in Proverbs. Proverbs is suggestion/advice, not command/law. Therefore, we can use the "rod" (makes me sick) or we can use other means, such as time outs, withdrawal of privileges, and primarily REASONING and explaining to children WHY. It seems to me that spankings (unless you only hit one time and not that hard .. which means it wont work anyway), dont work as you have to repeat them over and over and over again. I have seen people spank/hit their children into their teens. If those spankings get out of hand they become beatings and then you have an adult who might very well become a violent person.
 

blue_ladybug

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It is NOT illegal though, to spank a child. People been doing it for decades.. Nor is it illegal to pull down their pants and spank bare bottom. Embarassing, yes. Illegal, no.


I can guarantee you it is unlawful to force-strip a child of their clothing in order to humiliate them for Christ.
 

Demi777

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It is NOT illegal though, to spank a child. People been doing it for decades.. Nor is it illegal to pull down their pants and spank bare bottom. Embarassing, yes. Illegal, no.
Here in germany u can get ur child taken away for spanking or anything like that
 

blue_ladybug

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Yes, because now it's considered beating a child. Decades ago, it was done as a proper form of punishment and wasn't considered child abuse. Such things were'nt spoken of back then.

Here in germany u can get ur child taken away for spanking or anything like that
 

WineRose

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It is NOT illegal though, to spank a child. People been doing it for decades.. Nor is it illegal to pull down their pants and spank bare bottom. Embarassing, yes. Illegal, no.
Well...to be fair, there are quite a lot of countries that have banned spanking, such as Sweden and Germany.

And honestly, I think that was a good decision, since I feel that this kind of punishment discourages kids from speaking to their parents when something's wrong, due to the fear of being caned/smacked.
 
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It is interesting that those with no children are being indoctrinated about how to raise children, that spanking is wrong, and they, "through experience" know this to be the case, just ask them. :rolleyes:

Really, it is "through indoctrination" they "know" this to be the case. It is an antibiblical concept and politically correct professing believers embrace it anyhow.

Oh, France has now stated they want children in schools, training at 3. Indoctrination is to start at a younger age. Gotta make sure they march in a straight line early to the prince of the power of the air.
 
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SassyServant

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sexual temptation is very hard to control throughout childhood, adolosence, and adulthood. All We can really do is pray for God to cleanse us and try our best to overcome the temptations. It is very hard though ..i don't think punishing your child is the way to go but teaching and praying is... we all fall into temptation but through God we can be purified and cleansed.
 
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AuntieAnt

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Now that you have had your rant you might want to consider the facts:

Neither of my children considered themselves abused or mistreated. Both remarked often that being reminded of what their forgiveness cost Jesus really did help them make good decisions. Your post reflects the psychobabble that caused the academic decline of our schools and the lack of respect for human life resulting in mass murder in our schools and our public places. It does NOT reflect Biblical teachings on discipline. My daughter is not only an effective soul winner, she is one of the kindest most gracious people you will ever meet. Who is in fact messed up? YOU ARE WRONG!
Wow.... talk about psychobabble. :p *yuck*

No marc, what is and has always been the cause of decline of God's perfect design for us is anything that doesn't look like the nature of Jesus Christ. And I can't even imagine Jesus stripping a child naked and humiliating them to remember not to screw up.
 
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loyaldisciple

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Here in germany u can get ur child taken away for spanking or anything like that
Germany has a lot of bad laws, exactly why the muslims are taking it over.
 
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loyaldisciple

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I would like to ask this: It seems that all discipline of children in the Bible is in Proverbs. Proverbs is suggestion/advice, not command/law. Therefore, we can use the "rod" (makes me sick) or we can use other means, such as time outs, withdrawal of privileges, and primarily REASONING and explaining to children WHY. It seems to me that spankings (unless you only hit one time and not that hard .. which means it wont work anyway), dont work as you have to repeat them over and over and over again. I have seen people spank/hit their children into their teens. If those spankings get out of hand they become beatings and then you have an adult who might very well become a violent person.
Well, I wouldn't exactly call Proverbs simply suggestion/advice. I would say it is very good biblical advice inspired by God in order to give us a guideline to live by. No matter what form of discipline a parent chooses, the very same process will not always work in every situation and against every child. Some children may respond positively to different forms of punishment. I think it is a responsibility of the parent to pay close attention to this and themselves learn what works best to correct their child and help them along their way to becoming a better person. And to respond to the last sentence above, of course spanking can lead to a child rebelling, but not spanking and being too easy to a child can lead to the very same thing. Any child can grow up and be rebellious. Normally people will see this as a reflection that the parents did something terribly wrong and I would agree that is normally the case. However, I won't say it is the parents fault 100% of the time. I do believe that sometimes the parents did what was right and the child still turns out poorly for other reasons, such as their peers, their close environment and society itself. I don't believe spanking is any more likely to lead to a rebellious child than not spanking. I just think each parent needs to watch closely, make sure some sort of discipline is implemented and see what works best for that particular child. It may even be something different that works for different children in the same household.
 
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Now that you have had your rant you might want to consider the facts: Your post reflects the psychobabble that caused the academic decline of our schools and the lack of respect for human life resulting in mass murder in our schools and our public places. YOU ARE WRONG!
This is a concise and accurate assessment.

Well, I wouldn't exactly call Proverbs simply suggestion/advice. I would say it is very good biblical advice inspired by God in order to give us a guideline to live by.
Great point!
 

lv2ski

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Hey Bro,

I'm sorry to hear that. I agree that you don't need to over-react, but you do need to act. Boys are first exposed to porn nowadays at ages 9-11. So it's time. If you handle this right, you can really bond with your son. He needs you. His draw to porn might be a response to some rejection, disconnect, abuse or just plain ol curiosity. But, you're doing the right thing, by praying.

Make sure you make it a point to talk to him and listen. Listen like you never have! The Bible says out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. If you let him talk, he'll tell you what's in his heart. As far as your wife. Make sure you take the position that you want to handle this. She needs to respect that. Women don't understand our sexuality very well and easily cause shame. You don't want to do that. You want him to trust you, or he won't open up to you.

I wish there was an easy answer. Keep tight tabs on his internet activity, passwords on everything. don't make him feel stupid, but help him understand, Dad is doing this to protect you. It's my job, I love you. you goingt to have to keep a tight reign on him. He's been exposed, it's now going to be a thing he will have to deal with.
 

lv2ski

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Also, as far as Proverbs go: It is not just a book of advice or suggestions. That is truly false teaching and using God's name in vain.

It is however: the book of wisdom, as it clearly defines itself from the beginning. In Proverbs 4 and elsewhere, we are commanded, not encouraged or suggested to, commanded to get wisdom. Proverbs is wisdom from God in heaven. it also says that those who despise its wisdom are fools and scoffers throughout. Neither is it outdated or obsolete. In fact it is defined as the tool God created everything and its limits with.

If God uses it, then I think there is no question than that we should. Spanking is not abuse, it works! If you use it for defiance, violence or real danger situations, I don't know how you can go wrong.