Spiritual Gifts: Are miracles from God for the believing or unbelieving?

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Who or what is responsible for the troubles around us?

  • Unrepenting and rebellious generation.

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  • Spiritual wickedness in high places.

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  • Lack of prayer.

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  • Nothing or no one. It's prophecy being fulfilled.

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  • Combination of the above.

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Shanique

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Greetings everyone,

I recently read and understand that gifts are for the edification of the church. I also read that gifts such as healing, miracles, etc. is for those who don't believe, not the believing, that those who don't believe will become believers.

Does this mean that someone who gets sick after being baptized in the body of Christ is less likely to receive a healing miracle? I see so many people afflicted with illnesses along with other terrible issues in the church and people praying for their healing, deliverance, etc.... I can't always make sense of it.

Then, you hear how people who didn't believe will ask for a miracle and almost instantly a miracle occurs. All of this came about after watching Sid Roth's Supernatural and reading up on Gifts of the Spirit (1 Cor. 14. Just want to expand my knowledge as I believe the Holy Spirit will reveal greater understanding. I just wanted to get other thoughts or beliefs on the matter.

Thanks
 
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fitz576

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gifts i believe are for all of us who want them
 
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dmdave17

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Dear Shanique,

I think that the real answer to your question is God's sovereignty. (How's that for not saying anything? ;) ) What I mean is this. Only God knows why He dispenses miracles, and to whom. In the Gospels, Jesus performed many miracles to get the attention of the general populace, and entice them to hear His message. "Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people. News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed; and he healed them. Large crowds from Galilee, the Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea and the region across the Jordan followed him." (Matthew 4:23-25)

On the other hand, the Apostles were the beneficiaries of numerous miracles, especially in the area of being miraculously released from jail. "The night before Herod was to bring him to trial, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries stood guard at the entrance. Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. 'Quick, get up!' he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists. Then the angel said to him, 'Put on your clothes and sandals.' And Peter did so. 'Wrap your cloak around you and follow me,' the angel told him. Peter followed him out of the prison, but he had no idea that what the angel was doing was really happening; he thought he was seeing a vision." (Acts 12:6-9)

There is nothing in Scripture, I believe, that spells out just who is eligible for a miracle. What the Scriptures are clear on is that God is all powerful. So I think the answer to your question is "God dispenses miracles to whomever He chooses.". :)
 
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Shanique

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Thanks fitz576. I believe likewise. Gifts are available to all, but at the end of the day God has the final say. Thanks for your response.
 
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Shanique

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Thanks dmdave17. You got that right! God can do anything when He wants to. I remember this especially at times when I come across things, situations, or Bible passages that make me ask Why? God is all powerful and can do anything that pleases Him. It's all for His glory!
 
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AnandaHya

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God only heals those who have been prayed for by true believers. this is called intercessor prayer and the miracles happen to show that God is more powerful then the laws of this world.

You haven't read the part where Paul says signs are for nonbeilievers but prophecy is for believers yet have you? Miracles cause people to turn towards God and reach for Jesus.

If you are a believer you have the Holy Spirit living in you already and don't need to be lead to the light for you shine the light to the rest of the world.

We are given spiritual gift to edify and bring people to God. We are the body of Christ on Earth to do His will.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/18949-youedify-thread-3.html
 
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Consumed

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Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.​
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1 Corinthians 13
1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

8Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

13And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.




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Mark777

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It is no accident that 1 Cor 13 is placed between two chapters dealing with spiritual gifts and their correct use in the church. Love should be the motivation for the use of the gifts. We should not be seeking them to make a great name for ourselves, but to see the body of Christ built up in love and the lost won to Christ. The Master Himself provides the example. "And when Jesus went out He saw a great multitude; and He was moved with compassion for them , and healed their sick." Matt 14:14.
 
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Consumed

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Mark777 said:
It is no accident that 1 Cor 13 is placed between two chapters dealing with spiritual gifts and their correct use in the church. Love should be the motivation for the use of the gifts. We should not be seeking them to make a great name for ourselves, but to see the body of Christ built up in love and the lost won to Christ. The Master Himself provides the example. "And when Jesus went out He saw a great multitude; and He was moved with compassion for them , and healed their sick." Matt 14:14.
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amen, He wont share His glory with any other He is Lord, i find it amusing how God can use a donkey even to do what He wills to have done if needs be.
nothing is impossible with God - nothing
 
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AnandaHya

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Consumed said:
amen, He wont share His glory with any other He is Lord, i find it amusing how God can use a donkey even to do what He wills to have done if needs be.
nothing is impossible with God - nothing
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that verse tells you the difference between witchcraft and spiritual gifts. One is for glory of self the other is for Glory of GOD who holds all power and majesty.
 
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Shanique

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Wow! This is quite interesting. Thanks everyone for your response. That's another thing I learned recently is that witchcraft is used for healing, and how there are Non Christians who speak in tongues. I've really learned that for every thing God has, the devil has counterfeits... so we have to be very careful and watchful, prayerful and watchful.

God is amazing as He can use anything or anyone for His glory. This is why He does things in many cases in unusual ways. His ways are not our ways nor His thoughts like our thoughts.
 
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AnandaHya

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Shanique said:
Wow! This is quite interesting. Thanks everyone for your response. That's another thing I learned recently is that witchcraft is used for healing, and how there are Non Christians who speak in tongues. I've really learned that for every thing God has, the devil has counterfeits... so we have to be very careful and watchful, prayerful and watchful.

God is amazing as He can use anything or anyone for His glory. This is why He does things in many cases in unusual ways. His ways are not our ways nor His thoughts like our thoughts.
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the healings are false. when they die their spirits will be casted in to Hell if they don't know Jesus to join with the demon master they serve. tongues, lol dogs and donkeys speak in tongues of the spirit and demons, how special is that?
 
zeroturbulence

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At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, “Who touched my clothes?”

31 “You see the people crowding against you,” his disciples answered, “and yet you can ask, ‘Who touched me?’ ”

32 But Jesus kept looking around to see who had done it. 33 Then the woman, knowing what had happened to her, came and fell at his feet and, trembling with fear, told him the whole truth. 34 He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering.”

Mark 5:30-34
 
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