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    In my searches for a good Baptist Church here where I live, I started looking at some websites of some churches. I came across one site that had audio recordings of some of their sermons. One of them caught my eye. The title of the sermon was "Affliction". In this sermon, he started to say that some affliction is of God, and there is a reason for it. This started to cause some anxiety, because, for those that I have talked to in the chat room, know that I have OCD, and also Scrupulosity, which is a religion based OCD.

    Part of my OCD is the thought that pops into my head that "does God want me to do this?" "does he want me to go through these OCD processes?".

    This is a personal issue in my life, and I have decided to post this letter here, because I want more feedback, and more point of views.

    This letter is long, but it describes, in somewhat detail, what is going on in my life. If you have the time, and would like to give your input, please read it, and give your advice. I would appreciate it.

    Hello. This may be a long letter, but I needed to reach out to the Pastor, so I hope this gets to him, and him only please. This letter is sort of private, so please pass this along in confidence to him, it regards personal information of some things in my life that I am going through.
    This is in reference to an audio sermon I listened to on your website, from 7/20/2008. The title of the sermon is "Affliction". I need some clarity and some advice, as I have been going through some tough things for many years now.

    ***Before I go any further, I want to let you know that the things I am going to say here may sound bizzare, but bare with me, it will all make sense in the end, I hope.

    My name is Sam, I am 40 years old. I don't know if I am saved or not. I have trouble with my faith, not knowing if I actually believe, or if I just try to have faith that I believe. Growing up, I was raised in a religious setting, spending my time as a child between a Christian home (non denominational), the Pastor was Lutheran I believe. The summers I spent at this Christian home, and some school years I spent at my home with my mom.

    At the age of 13, I moved to Arkansas to live with my dad. There I started going to a Baptist church, and I asked Jesus into my heart, was baptised, and my life went on from there.
    After I left high school, I stopped going to Church
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    During high school, I started to develop what I found out later would be OCD, or obsessive compulsive disorder. At first, it was alot of the traditional symptoms of OCD, hand washing, and sort of fear of having dirt and germs on my hands, that could get into my mouth. Not necessarily the classic "fear of germs" as some OCD people have, but more of just that if I had something on my hands, it would get into my mouth, by way of touching my mouth or having these contaminants on my hands while eating.
    As I grew older, the OCD seemed to grow stronger. The hand washing symptom seemed to still be there, but was not really that big of a deal anymore. Things like counting and checking became a big part of my life. Having to do things a certain number of times, in a certain order, and doing them the same way every time, without variance. Things out of the blue would cause anxiety, like if I were to reach out and grab something, if I didn't grab it in a certain way, I would have to redo it until I got it done just right. This would go on for extended periods of time, often, and it was distressing me alot. I just simply couldn't do something once, and let it be, I had to do it until it was just right.
    Eventually, I got fed up with this and just stopped doing this, because, as I said, it was very distressing, and I think it was taking too much time at work, or maybe that was an excuse I was using to stop doing it, I don't know.

    Years went by, and I don't remember if this was during the same time as the before mentioned issue, or started after, but I became obsessed with thoughts that I have.

    Thoughts just pop up in my head at random, out of the blue. These thoughts are usually vile in nature and are mostly lude in nature, but sometimes they dont have to be. You see, I can get a thought in my head, and for some reason, it will trigger anxiety, because something in the thought or during the thought just didnt feel right, so I repeat the thoughts over and over, again, a certain number of time, until it is just right.

    I also have thoughts of a religious nature, again, these thoughts are unwanted, and very bad. I later learned the terminology of this, and it is called "Scrupulosity", or OCD with a religious nature.
    You see, a thought will pop into my head, and it will trigger anxiety, and then I will have to repeat the thought in my head over and over until I think the thought exactly the same way I did the first time, or in a way that makes me feel that I have done it the way that God wants me to. Sometimes these thoughts can be about Jesus, or God, sometimes they are not, but about people, but because people are made by God, or are children of God, since I had a bad thought about them, I have to do the process the same.

    Now, I have seen psycologists and psychiatrists, and have been on medication, but OCD is treatable by a method called "cognitive behavioral therapy". Problem is, where I lived, there didn't seemed to be any, or at least not that I really knew, anyone who specialized in this. I now am not seeing a psychiatrist for this, however, my general doctor has put me on medication, but I don't take it regularly because of fear of being drowsy on the job. I drive a truck as part of my job, so that would be a problem for me.

    Now, like I said, part of my OCD is religious in nature. Meaning, I have unwanted bad thoughts about God and Jesus. I spend alot of time doing these thought processes to "undo" them, meaning I have to repeat the thought a certain number of times, and if I don't, that something bad will happen to me, or that God will allow something bad to happen to me, or not get something that I want.
    Often, the process also involves turning the thought from a bad thought into a good thought, for the same reasons above, and also having to do it just right.

    The doctors have told me, and all the reading I have done on the subject has told me that this is just OCD, a chemical problem in the brain. The thought or idea came into my head, does God want me to do this? Does he want me to do these processes, and if I don't, the anxiety goes up, and, again, I fear that something bad will happen because of it.

    I spend hours a day doing this, often, all day. When I wake up, I seem to be ok, for about an hour, then something will pop into my head, and then the process starts, and usually lasts all day. When I get home, I try to not do this, but sometimes I just can't not do it. I try to tell myself that I will relax on the weekends, but I have little success at avoiding it. Often I will obssess about things all day long. Just as soon as I get one process done, another will pop up and start over, and again, it seems to have to be in multiples of 4's. For some reason, to me, odd numbers are "of man" and even numbers are "of God". However, the number 7 is reserved only for God, I think, due to God creating the earth in 6 days, and resting on the 7th. So the number 7 has a certain significance.

    I spend hours every day doing this, and literally, I am very miserable. I have no life, I often don't go out because I know that if I try to go out, I won't have any fun because all of this stuff will be in the back of my mind, keeping me from enjoying things.

    I can barely function as a normal person. I mean, I eat, I sleep, and I go to work, but thats about it. I have little interaction with other people outside of work. Not that I am anti-social, just that I am too busy obsessing that I don't ever get out, and this OCD has seemed to leave me with very little joy in my life. Don't get me wrong, I seem to be happy sometimes, but I live in fear and worry that if I dont do these processes, that something bad will happen, as I explained above.

    Today, I listened to your sermon on Affliction, and it started me to thinking. You said that alot of affliction in peoples lives is of God. That he allows these things to happen to people. I have to know, do you think that what I am experiencing is, or could be of God?

    I pray about it, but I feel that I am being selifsh or self centered, and only praying to get better. I feel that I should pray for other reasons.

    I am looking for a good Church to go to, but again, I fear that I am not looking to go to Church for the right reasons. The right reasons being, to praise God and to get closer to Him. I think sometimes that I am just doing it so I will get some relief from my issues.

    I have even started to read the Bible a little, but, even reading the Bible can be an issue, because I will read something, it will trigger a thought, and I will start obesessing again. I don't blame the Bible, or God, but because my OCD is religious in nature, reading the Bible, and having a bad thought or a wrong thought can cause anxiety.

    Anyway, that is basically my problem. I am sorry for the length of this letter, but I had to explain myself, and I need the advice of a Pastor. Doctors can tell me that my problem is of a brain chemical nature, but I need to know the view of a Pastor, to see if indeed my problems are something that God wants me to do, or is it not God's will, but rather just something in my own head.
    Thank you for your time.
    Sam

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    Dear Sam,

    I am neither a theologian nor a psychiatrist, so my input will have to be taken with a grain of salt, but here goes.

    I can say with a lot of certainty in my own heart that your affliction is not of God or from God! God is neither vindictive nor mean-spirited. While He does sometimes discipline us to get our attention, He never puts us in the situation which you describe. In the Book of Ezekiel. God instructs His prophet, "Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live." (Ezekiel 33:11)

    Also, I believe that you should immerse yourself in the Bible. Read it constantly, whenever you can. Ask God to speak to you through its pages and make known His ways to you through His word. The extraneous thoughts are, obviously, a problem but I believe that God is more powerful than any "disorder". (“I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?")* The more you read about Him, the more His message will get through the clutter in your thoughts. You could try to begin by focusing on God's love, as summarized by John 3:16. Also, Jesus said "My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends." (John 15:12-13) And Paul said "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8) God loves you, unquestionably.

    Finally, it sounds to me like you could be the victim of a very persistent demon (or "legion" of demons). I am no expert on this; there is another member of CC (AnandaHya, if I am spelling her name correctly) who knows much more than I do, but you cannot discount the possibility that those thoughts you have are placed there by servants of the devil. Again, I believe that the closer you can grow to God, the better you will be equipped to resist these invaders.

    I hope that this helps you in some small way. I guess that the main theme of my message is "don't turn away from God!". The thoughts you have do not originate with Him. He loves you and wants to help you. If you do everything you can to seek Him, I am confident He will meet you more than halfway.

    God be with you in your struggles. I will pray for you.
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    * Jeremiah 32:27
    This is the day the Lord has made. We will rejoice and be glad in it. (Psalm 118:24)

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    hi i know this was posted months ago but since i can relate in a certain way i would like to offer my opinion and advice. btw i am not a medical professional or anything so keep this in mind.

    i think that you do have scrupulosity, but that doesnt get rid of the Spiritual warfare part of it. no God is not causing this, if anything it is the enemy who is doing this. it is possible that you both have ocd and are under Spiritual attack by the enemy. basically he is using this disorder against you. i dont if any advice i give would help you much since i am going through a similar but just as intense experience right now, and i myself am in need of help. but i think that prayer and reading the Bible will help. but one thing, dont ever give up! thats what the enemy wants but God will help you through this.

    God Bless you, i hope you feel better soon. i know how it feels.

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    also i would like to add that the book "Grace abounding to the chief of sinners" by John Bunyan is very helpful and comforting for someone going through any form of scrupulosity. John Bunyan endured years of painful scrupulosity and God helped him through it all the way. also NetBurst.net is a great site for articles on scrupulosity and many other topics.

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    God has not given us the spirit of fear,but of love ,joy,peace and a sound mind. Turn the negatives into positives.
    Rebuke these thoughts in the name of Jesus. You have athority over them! You can do it.Sometimes you have to
    get aggressive when rebuking them.Tell Jesus to send them to the pit and that you have a sound mind and you are
    a child of the living god.Put your foot down.

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    Hello, I want to say you are not alone and that it IS A DISEASE.
    I went to a baptist church myself at age 7-9.
    I was told a about asking Jesus into my heart. I was so afraid that I would go to hell that I did it over and over.
    Some symptoms I have/ had are bad thoughts about god and that I would have to repeat them over until its a good thought. It seems to happen right before I'm about to perform an action. Since my mind knows I'm about to perform an action, open door, walk or touch something my ocd takes over because it knows my weak points which are Religeous, the unwanted thoughts come in. But it's because your brain is on guard so much on not having these thoughts that they're there all the time. But it is a disease my friend. I have it with numbers as well.. I later tied the number 3 because of 3 days on the cross or that there were three people on cross, 6 was Satans number. I had it with promises and later tied 5 to mean an eternal promise. Than if I did it 7 times it would get me out and was ok with god than 8 was an even number and meant I didn't believe in him than 9, I was good again. I could barely leave my house. But it gives me great satisfaction in seeing how identical your case is to mine which shows its a disease.
    You must first understand how the disease works BEFORE you go back to reading bible because from my experience it only makes it worse. After you understand the ocd monster and see it as almost a different entity than you can see what's you and not the mind and later have a healthy religeon when ready. God knows your sick and he knows these bad thoughts come so much because you don't want them to come. Remind yourself when you have them that and than the mind will lose its power and you will see it was never you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan39 View Post
    Hello, I want to say you are not alone and that it IS A DISEASE.
    I went to a baptist church myself at age 7-9.
    I was told a about asking Jesus into my heart. I was so afraid that I would go to hell that I did it over and over

    You'll want to take notice this thread was started in MAY 2011. And that the OP hasn't logged in since January.
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