secular schools

what do u think of them as a Christian?do u think it's good for socialization , to mold childrens character and personality or it could be a danger to them ? by danger i mean , for example, when they face bully, peer pressure , negative influences, i say it cause their minds aren't yet fully developed to comprehend and cope with those things in a way a mature Christian would.

i find it somewhat harsh that especially small children are thrown in a place where they are forced to socialize and they can't get out of there , they are obliged to be sitting there most of the day... i dont mean raise them in a bubble , but at least till they are around 14/15 they be taught by their Christian parents and socialize in other environments so they are better prepared to face the world .
here in Brazil we dont have homeschooling , maybe in exceptional cases , so every child is obliged to go through all those years to get a formal education , i find it a pity .

[david1994]

I am a Christian teenager about to finish my thirteen years of homeschooling, and I think it has definitely helped me to stay out of bad stuff like smoking, drinking, etc, but the human is exceedingly wicked, and I found bad stuff on the computer which is extremely easy to find if you don't have an Internet filter. I decided that when I get married and have kids, I'm either not going to have a computer in my household or I'm not going to have internet access so my kids don't have to go through what I did. If you move to America somehow and decide to homeschool your kid, move to an area that has a whole bunch of other Christian homeschoolers so your kid has people in the same situation to talk to. Otherwise, it can get very, very boring. Secular schools are getting worse and worse. It is uncommon in American high schools to find someone over sixteen who still has their virginity so homeschooling is a very good choice That or find a good Christian private school.

[FSUBoy966]

I went to public school, and my gf and I have talked, and if we get married and have kids, we're gonna send them to either public school or secular private school. Not that I have anything against Christian schools, but there's too much indoctrination for my liking, and I've seen some kids completely jaded from their parents after it. And I'd never homeschool my kids. I want them to be cultured and worldly and understand different people and different beliefs and ideas.

[shekaniah]

My kids went to public school and private school both, I think there was the same amount of bad in both. Some of the privates schooled kids are very rebeliuos, and looking for trouble. In public schools some of the other parents just don"t care what there kids do. Home schooling - my friends kids have had a hard time in the job world. So she had her youngest go to high school at public school. Out of all her kids the youngest is doing the best.
I say let them be bright lights in a dark place. Just as long as they have a good foundation, they should do good in public school.
(I would pray and ask God to make it clear to you where he wants your children to be. He knows the heart and mind of each child.)

ridiculous thread...you cannot get away from the world. besides, public education is a glorified daycare system

[Bobbyking]

Hi

When it comes to a good school, there's no guarantee that a Christian school should does better compare with a secular school. A christian school does provide biblical teaching and if you think this is what you want, go for it.

From my experience, three of my daughters studied in a Christian junior school (7-12). I am happy with it because it is, IMO, more balanced education; good education, sports and biblical teaching. Note also that this particular school is not a top school in my country. My eldest is now in a secular public secondary school (13-16) but it is one of the good schools here; strictly no biblical education but the mindset of her friends are mostly pursuing top academic excellence.

Some of the secular public schools here are not exactly encouraging; gangs, bullying and other organized crimes.

Which ever school we put our kid in, always remember that Character building and biblical teaching always begin at home....

[DiscipleWilliam]

Originally Posted by karine___

what do u think of them as a Christian?do u think it's good for socialization , to mold childrens character and personality or it could be a danger to them ? by danger i mean , for example, when they face bully, peer pressure , negative influences, i say it cause their minds aren't yet fully developed to comprehend and cope with those things in a way a mature Christian would.

i find it somewhat harsh that especially small children are thrown in a place where they are forced to socialize and they can't get out of there , they are obliged to be sitting there most of the day... i dont mean raise them in a bubble , but at least till they are around 14/15 they be taught by their Christian parents and socialize in other environments so they are better prepared to face the world .
here in Brazil we dont have homeschooling , maybe in exceptional cases , so every child is obliged to go through all those years to get a formal education , i find it a pity .

Good thread. I believe that we have to comprehend what secular education is designed to do. It is designed to provide students with the necessary tools to live and function as a LEGAL PERSON within the matrix. They teach you sanitised history, Darwinism (unless enrolled in some form of religious institution), how to write in 'curse' -ive, etc. The most important subjects that I believe are useful today in these secular mediums are math and foreign languages. I'm not specifically condemning every institution collectively, but I'm just emphasising the fact that their role is to teach someone how to work within the matrix and be good "CITIZENS" not how to come out and have the matrix work for you as it should be. Corporate learning institutions lead to 'corporate thought' making the pupil incapable of distinguishing between themselves- how they are supposed to operate- and that of a corporation and how they're ran. This country is ran by corporations and thus corporate protocol.

We are trained from our youth to submit and accept these corporate by-laws and if not, are labelled as "bad, bad people" lol. I was a victim of this until I was re-programmed with the truth strictly by the illumination of God. Arguably, one of the most important subjects one can learn is "money mechanics" and how money circulates. However, this is not taught in public schools (grades K-12). You have to pay a college or university thousands to learn this knowledge in which only certain people are granted admission. And for those who refuse to be indebted with student loans, this is not an option for them unless they receive some sort of grant. On top of that, once a person graduates, and has learned the ways to prevent debt, ironically they have to pay back thousands of dollars of student loan debt.

In conclusion, I believe that home-school is the better way to go if your family is able to do so and as far as the socialising, and the development of people skills within the child or young-adult that one might learn in the public venue is not worth the risk at all. What risk? The risk of them being programmed and indoctrinated by the state.

* If you render you children unto Ceaser, don't be surprised if they come back a Roman." -Voddie Baucham

[Ugly]

Originally Posted by FSUBoy966

I went to public school, and my gf and I have talked, and if we get married and have kids, we're gonna send them to either public school or secular private school. Not that I have anything against Christian schools, but there's too much indoctrination for my liking, and I've seen some kids completely jaded from their parents after it. And I'd never homeschool my kids. I want them to be cultured and worldly and understand different people and different beliefs and ideas.

Spoken like someone who truly doesn't know the first thing about homeschooling except what his lack of experience tells him.

[FSUBoy966]

Originally Posted by Ugly

Spoken like someone who truly doesn't know the first thing about homeschooling except what his lack of experience tells him.

I've met homeschooled kids. They're like the freaky kids from the Village of the Damned. Or belong to a fringe Christian group with kind of crazy ideas. Or are too prude to survive in the world.

[Megatron]

Originally Posted by FSUBoy966

I've met homeschooled kids. They're like the freaky kids from the Village of the Damned. Or belong to a fringe Christian group with kind of crazy ideas. Or are too prude to survive in the world.

I would have to agree like 70% of the time. Most the kids i know that were homeschooled were only homeschooled until high school then went to public schools. the ones that were homeschooled through high school and went straight into college...yeah they were freaky village of the damned kids. I had one as a roommate freshmen year and he thought everything i did was sinful which just made it more hilarious. He literally would not stay in the room if i was watching wrestling, law and order or really anything. and muscially thought everything but hymns were terrible. we didnt get along well and he moved out in like october to go back home.

[Sooner28]

Originally Posted by Megatron

I would have to agree like 70% of the time. Most the kids i know that were homeschooled were only homeschooled until high school then went to public schools. the ones that were homeschooled through high school and went straight into college...yeah they were freaky village of the damned kids. I had one as a roommate freshmen year and he thought everything i did was sinful which just made it more hilarious. He literally would not stay in the room if i was watching wrestling, law and order or really anything. and muscially thought everything but hymns were terrible. we didnt get along well and he moved out in like october to go back home.

lol with your personality I can only imagine how funny that was

[Seriously_Cool_Wife]

Most home school kids I know, they are actually MORE aggressive academically and out in the work force than other people. So I don't know which home school families you know that are so atrociously unable to hold jobs and cannot handle any social situations... my kids do pretty good. But then, I'm involved with the families that are putting their best foot forward on this home school stuff. Not the ones that own a one bedroom trailer with sixteen kids and never see the light of day.

It's interesting we have sooooo many examples these days of kids having problems in the public school, but what sticks out is that one guy that was home schooled that had such strict values in his life he didn't want to watch worldly TV shows... but hey, in public school they are bringing guns to school and shooting up classrooms... but hey, it's such a crime to NOT watch FBI shows...

AAAAHHHHGGGHHHHh!!! Call social services... I don't let my kids get into Harry Potter.

Just kidding... LOL! I'm not peeved... just opinionated. Sorry! LOL!

Seriously, though, if you really want to see some good homeschooling going on, go out and truly investigate it... most HS kids are so involved in their community, you don't notice them. It's only the occasional ones that are ""freaky""" as you put it...that stand out.

But also... LOL! I told you opinionated... But also, i WANT my kids to be different, and if freaky is the word you want to use, then go for it... I WANT my kids to have values that they won't be pregnant by 16... that they won't know what it's like to get drunk and behind a wheel... that they don't get into the drama of who's got the most expensive clothes... etc.. etc... I want my kids to learn what's important. That is the word of God. Who has time these days to really teach their kids scripture when school, work, homework, music lessons, etc... take up so much time they rush from one event to another....

I'm curious how PS parents can squeeze in any at home bible study.

[Megatron]

Well the funny part about the shows wasnt that he didnt like them. It was my tv i couldnt care less what he liked, since well i paid for my right to watch whatever i wanted. The fact was he couldnt stand to be even in the room because as he claimed it was 'sinful' and he didnt want to be 'scarred' by it.

[needmesomejesus]

Its a personal choice, but I'm personally a fan of public schools. The reason being is that the majority of Christian schools teach religion and not relationship and are really nitpicky and conservative. Also if your child is in Christian school all their life college is going to be a rude awakening.

[Megatron]

yeah good point needsomejesus. Christian schools due tend to teach a strict conservative viewpoint. Im pretty much anti-conservative in most things so I could never force my kid to learn that stuff. And they have church or their parents to learn about God not school.

[zeroturbulence]

Originally Posted by FSUBoy966

I went to public school, and my gf and I have talked, and if we get married and have kids, we're gonna send them to either public school or secular private school. Not that I have anything against Christian schools, but there's too much indoctrination for my liking, and I've seen some kids completely jaded from their parents after it. And I'd never homeschool my kids. I want them to be cultured and worldly and understand different people and different beliefs and ideas.

There are private K-12 schools that arent christian?? I've never heard of any. I know there are plenty of private secular colleges and universities, but I don't think there are any private secular schools that are K-12 or even 8-12...unless you mean a military academy or boarding school.

[dmdave17]

I'd never homeschool my kids. I want them to be cultured and worldly and understand different people and different beliefs and ideas.

I would like to address one specific word in the above sentence; "worldly". Scripture teaches us that Christianity and "the world" are constantly at odds. You cannot be of the world, and of God at the same time. Jesus told his disciples, "“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you." (John 15:18-19)

And Paul explained it to the Ephesians thusly, "As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath." (Ephesians 2:1-3. emphasis added)

I believe that the implications are clear: you cannot be worldly and Godly at the same time. This is not to say that Christians shouldn't know about the world. Any army needs firsthand knowledge of the enemy it is fighting in order to devise strategies to defeat that enemy. But the soldier who tries to infiltrate that enemy runs the real risk of being drawn into the enemy's ways of thinking. Why do you think God gave Joshua His total "scorched earth" policy when the Israelites were taking control of the promised land?

The public school system, in my opinion (and I emphasize my opinion), is all about indoctrination. And it ain't indoctrination in Christian values. Just look at how young kids are nowadays when they are exposed to "tolerance" of the "gay lifestyle". First grade? Second grade? As a Christian, is that what you want your child being taught? The fact is, the only way you can completely control what your child is exposed to is home schooling. Barring that, at least with Christian School you can be comfortable knowing that you probably agree with most of the indoctrination.

[jimmydiggs]

Homeschooling when done appropriately, by parents who are intelligent, can be the greatest thing.

Originally Posted by HSLDA

These 5,124 homeschoolers' composite scores on the basic battery of tests in reading, math, and language arts ranked 18 to 28 percentile points above public school averages. For instance, 692 homeschooled 4th graders averaged in the 77th percentile in reading, the 63rd percentile in math, and the 70th percentile in language arts. Sixth-grade homeschoolers, of 505 tested, scored in the 76th percentile in reading, the 65th percentile in math, and the 72nd percentile in language arts.
HSLDA | Academic Statistics on Homeschooling <--- click

[Megatron]

not every instance of worldly is bad
. Experienced in human affairs; sophisticated or worldly-wise: "an experienced and worldly man who had been almost everywhere"

see nothing anti-godly with that definition. but its always better to just assume the worst im sure.

[FSUBoy966]

Originally Posted by dmdave17

I would like to address one specific word in the above sentence; "worldly". Scripture teaches us that Christianity and "the world" are constantly at odds. You cannot be of the world, and of God at the same time. Jesus told his disciples, "“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you." (John 15:18-19)

And Paul explained it to the Ephesians thusly, "As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath." (Ephesians 2:1-3. emphasis added)

I believe that the implications are clear: you cannot be worldly and Godly at the same time. This is not to say that Christians shouldn't know about the world. Any army needs firsthand knowledge of the enemy it is fighting in order to devise strategies to defeat that enemy. But the soldier who tries to infiltrate that enemy runs the real risk of being drawn into the enemy's ways of thinking. Why do you think God gave Joshua His total "scorched earth" policy when the Israelites were taking control of the promised land?

The public school system, in my opinion (and I emphasize my opinion), is all about indoctrination. And it ain't indoctrination in Christian values. Just look at how young kids are nowadays when they are exposed to "tolerance" of the "gay lifestyle". First grade? Second grade? As a Christian, is that what you want your child being taught? The fact is, the only way you can completely control what your child is exposed to is home schooling. Barring that, at least with Christian School you can be comfortable knowing that you probably agree with most of the indoctrination.

Worldly as in knowing about other cultures/religions/ideas/whatever. Something you can't really get from a textbook or website is going out and meeting people who are different and realizing that in the end we're not all that different.