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hi, I am a young woman of 30, I live with my parents I am single with no children and we are born again Christians and moderate democrats/ independents. My family believes we should imitate the life and teaching of Jesus Christ, as CHristians we follow Jesus Christ and Jehovah God his father not preachers or churches or books written by evangelists, we follow the Bible and words of Jesus in the Bible. Problem is, right-wing fundamentalism and right wing Republican politics claim to be Christian, yet they act more like the pharisees that killed Jesus. THey are unforgiving and hypocritical, do the same bad things they tell other people not to do, are greedy and selfish and have no mercy love or compassion for the poor and oppressed.

We used to go to a baptist church, but there was a mean old man in my parents Sunday school class that said something about killing bortionist, abortion dotors and attacking abortion clinics. That is hypocrisy, that is not proper loving CHristian behavior, to behave violently. The whole idea against abortion is to preserve life, so you are murdering an adult to save an unborn baby's life? And this so-called "baby" is still just a fetus, not even fully formed? How wrong is that!


I have been to many churches, and it seems the ones that claim to be "super Christian," are Republican in their politics, they like to force Republican propaganda on their church members, and do not welcome democrats, although they may tolerate independents. I am sick of hearing democrats being insulted mocked trashed and criticized in church. I have been to a young modern church where I live in FLorida, mostly filled with northerners, and they see themselves as very passionate for Christ, yet they have loose morals, the dress code, or lack of a dress code was shocking, people dressed like for the beach, the pastor himself wore a t-shirt and cargo pants, bermuda shorts and capris to the pulpit to preach on Sunday morning. And my dad was greatly offended by the sight of a young woman working in the church's office dressed sleezy, in a revealing top, I think it was like a tank top, it revealed cleavage, shoulders and back and perhaps midriff from the way he described it. He said if the girl claimed to be a Christian she should not advertise in that way, and it was much, much worse for someone dressed like that to be working in the office of a church! I'm so glad I am different from other young people and my parents taught me values and to dress and behave better. ANd then they go and do these missions all around the world, yet they have problems with democrats, and would not accept my family. WHat if someone from a conservative Muslim background came to that church seeking about Christ and saw the girls and women dressed so provocatively and things all American Christian women are loose tramps?


Many of the other churches are filled with old people, but then the ones for young people are not all that great, my parents are old, they couldn't stand the young church we had to drive a while to. My dad hates modern music, he hated the pop hiphop music at this church, he wanted to leave right away because he couldn't stand the obnoxious praise music that was loud and rowdy, and the sight of the preacher was a major disapointment. He looked like some sort of tacky tv commercial salesman, had his hair spiked up and was wearing some kind of sparkly reflective jacket and gave a stupid sermon about the ladder of success., hardly mentioning the bible, I think he mentioned the Genesis story of Joseph.



ANyway, my dad has been working hard, he is old enough to retire but may keep working part time a few more years. He had a 3-day weekend and didn't go to church with mom andme this Sunday, today. It has been a long time, really long time since we have last been to a church. But we have not been ignoring God. We pray and read the Bible, read Christian/ Biblical devotion books and watch Dr. Charles Stanley's sermon on TV sunday morning. I try to do good and not sin. We listen to Christian and gospel music.


Mom and I went to a very different church. I think it was Unitarian. It was called Unity church of peace. They were sort of new age, but in a good way. The people were very friendly and welcoming. There were old people and middle age, one or two young couple and I think I only saw one child. But then again, my town is filled with old people, all of Florida is, there are so many retirees who come here to retire. Please don't misunderstand, I don't have a problem with old people, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the elderly, they are very nice people full of the wisdom that comes with the expereince of living life for a long time and surviving. A lot of times older people can be nicer than young people because they know better. Anyway, I was tempted to have coffee and cake, but I'm on a diet. I could have coffee, but I already had a cup at home. In the worship they had a lady minister, she was nice.

I liked her sermon about the innocence of a child, she talked about how children do not judge people, how children love everyone and do not hate. She read a poem and quoted what Jesus said about the kingdom of heaven being found in the heart of an innocent child. We spoke of god as loving and good and full of peace. THey believe that people are naturally good, and that goodness must be nurttured and brought out. A lady sang songs with a guitar, a spiritual version of "Fields of Gold", and "I believe in angels." We held hands and prayed for peace, and there were pictures of children on a projector, the last one was very beautiful, a little girl with a wreath of flowers on her head.

Yeah, it is new age, but it's christian new age, in a good way. They did not have invitations to get saved or talk about sin and Jesus' blood saving us from our sin, the need for redemption. But the other churches I went to had that and they were not right, they would not accept democrats and were like fanatics. Republicans have nothing to do with Christianity, except to take advantage, lie and deceive Christians as the "Christian political party." I think this church knows to stay out of politics
 
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ok... waaa... you really ,need to check up on that church... That church is not right... Peace comes from Jesus, not people... Are you aved, do you know Jesus as your personal saviour? People are the Church, The building that is called a Church is just a building! I would never go to a church like that... :d...
 
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No, I'm not 'aved' but I am saved. I think my whole family is saved, not sure about my sister anymore, but she's crazy anyway. My dad is angry right-wing republicans and right wing fundamnetalist Christianity. I am sick of it too. Had enough of hypocritical Baptists.


The people at this church behaved better than other "Christians" and they did say they were Christians. I could try some more methoist churches, ut I do not want to be preached at about sin, becasue I am not a bad sinner.
 
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hi, I am a young woman of 30, I live with my parents I am single with no children and we are born again Christians and moderate democrats/ independents. My family believes we should imitate the life and teaching of Jesus Christ, as CHristians we follow Jesus Christ and Jehovah God his father not preachers or churches or books written by evangelists, we follow the Bible and words of Jesus in the Bible. Problem is, right-wing fundamentalism and right wing Republican politics claim to be Christian, yet they act more like the pharisees that killed Jesus. THey are unforgiving and hypocritical, do the same bad things they tell other people not to do, are greedy and selfish and have no mercy love or compassion for the poor and oppressed.
Refrain from painting people with a wide brush. You could fall into the very trap you accuse them of falling into.
 
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New age utilizes occult practice... so it was an occult christian church that ignored sin, salvation and repentance for a happy sappy message. Sounds amazing! o.o Cause we know Jesus wouldn't want anyone to hear a message that wasn't all flowers and sunshine.

You seem quite caught up in the whole political thing. Making blanket judgments against people and even entire denominations, all in the name of politics. Picking a church based off political beliefs? Something doesn't seem right there.
 
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The Unitarian Univerasalist "church" isn't Christian.
 
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I can totally understand your situation seraph. You just have to look for the purest most unaltered form of Christianity that is available - the most unadulterated denomination that there is. Which denomination is this? I know what it is but you'll have to search for yourself.

We're living in an age of apostasy where Christian Churches have derailed the Faith. Our duty is to find and to preserve the most purest form that there is.
 
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No, I'm not 'aved' but I am saved. I think my whole family is saved, not sure about my sister anymore, but she's crazy anyway. My dad is angry right-wing republicans and right wing fundamnetalist Christianity. I am sick of it too. Had enough of hypocritical Baptists.


The people at this church behaved better than other "Christians" and they did say they were Christians. I could try some more methoist churches, ut I do not want to be preached at about sin, becasue I am not a bad sinner.
Sorry my keyboard was screwy, but i believe you knew what I meant to say! Maybe the crzy ones are the ones to get saved... You're are not a bad sinner? We are all sinners and have ccome short of the glory of God!!! So you believe that you are an exception because you are not a bad sinner, you judge, Baptists, really, they are just people like you! Judge lest not ye be judged! Sounds like the real problem isn't the churches that you go to, but it is in your heart! Sounds like you like to hide your heart, being saved means not hiding, maybe you hide your heart too much!!! Speak out... Dont become self-righteous, "There are none-righteous, no not one!," Realize, that you are a sinner, you try not to be a bad sinner,YOU are a sinner none-the-less!!! god doesn't judge you on how bad you sin, Sin is Sin, You won't ever hear Him say, "You didn't sin that bad, so you can enter into Heaven..." NOPE!!!

PLEASE RE-examine yourself to see if you are truly saved!!! You have to mean it with your whole mind, heart, and soul, not just rely on what other people say to determine if you are not saved!!!
 
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I think you know what i mean when I said I am not a bad sinner. Everyone sins. I have been forgiven of my sins by Jesus. Yes, I am saved. Quit accusing me of not knowing what it means to be a Christian, I've been a Christian since I was 4 years old. I have studied the bible and Christian devotion and theology books and gone through doubt and turmoil so leave me alone about it. I don't have to be just like you in order to be a saved Christian. As for judging baptists, I have every right to judge, them, Igrew up in the baptist church, I know what they're like, I used to be a baptist, if anyone is self righteous, they are. They are like hypocrites and pharisees. I have been judged and condemned by Baptists. They claim they forgive drug addicts, drunken alcoholics and crimminals, yet they judge me for something I was born with, what god gave me and say I am "demon possessed" becasue they are ignorant and stupid. It is only stupid Christians that believe in the "demon possessed" thing, not scientific knowledge.
 
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At the last Baptist church I was in, my parents got angry because in their sunday school class this old man made a comment that "all abortionists should be killed" and the Sunday school teacher just ignored him, acted like he never heard this comment. Then in my Sunday school class, the teacher was teaching about prophecy, about Revelations end of the world stuff when the anti Christ came to rule. He was comparing modern day happenings with the Revelation prophecies, and my problem is, where do these prophecy teachers get their ideas? Didn't Jesus say no one but the Father knows the day and hour Jesus will return? I don't think God wants us to try and figure out prophecy, it is corrupt evangelsits that do that to scare people and con their followers out of money, most preachers use "prophecy" as a way of getting money, and they just make of what is popular and politically considered "Christian" We are suppose to live Godly lives, help the poor and needy, spread the gospel, make peace, do good, pray, obey God's commandments. If we would live for God and be prepared for when Jesus comes back, there would be no problem.
 
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I have no idea which baptists you grew up with. I too grew up with them though I am not a baptist. All they did was show me and those around them love. They were flawed humans like the rest of us, but to claim they are all stupid, immoral, hypocritical, or pharasitical (I believe that covers all the areas) is simply wanton smearing.

You are correct in that you have every "right" to judge them, but be very careful as you are opening yourself to the same sort of harsh judgement in return.
 
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Dear Seraph,

I believe that a problem always arises when you mix people, and people's ideas, with Scripture. I don't think anybody on this earth is truly qualified to interpret the Word of God. But, by the same token, I think I detect some "reverse bias" in what you are saying. You identify yourself as a "moderate democrat", then go on to demean (radical) "right wing republicans".

The fact is, we are all influenced by factors beyond our Christian framework. The secret, I think, is to try and determine what Scripture says about a certain topic, then compare that to what we are hearing in church. The Bible says, unequivocally, that abortion is wrong. Not only is it "murder" as defined in the Ten Commandments, but Scripture goes on to tell us, "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;..." (Psalm 139:13-14)

On the other hand, when asked how often we should forgive our brothers, Christ answered "seventy time seven" (depending on what version you believe). And we are admonished to "forgive as God forgave us". Therefore, to say that abortion is wrong is based on sound Scriptural principles. To say that "all abortionists should be killed" is definitely not. It is about as "unChristian" as you can get.

But to judge a church by the statements made by some of its parishoners is, I believe, a little harsh. You are going to find people like that in every church. As some other people have suggested, it looks to me like you probably could do with a little personal soul searching. Are you really upset with the "radical" reactions of some people, or do you have a problem with some of the things which the church teaches? If their teachings are based on Scripture, there isn't really much room for discussion.

God bless you in your quest.
 
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I think you know what i mean when I said I am not a bad sinner. Everyone sins. I have been forgiven of my sins by Jesus. Yes, I am saved. Quit accusing me of not knowing what it means to be a Christian, I've been a Christian since I was 4 years old. I have studied the bible and Christian devotion and theology books and gone through doubt and turmoil so leave me alone about it. I don't have to be just like you in order to be a saved Christian. As for judging baptists, I have every right to judge, them, Igrew up in the baptist church, I know what they're like, I used to be a baptist, if anyone is self righteous, they are. They are like hypocrites and pharisees. I have been judged and condemned by Baptists. They claim they forgive drug addicts, drunken alcoholics and crimminals, yet they judge me for something I was born with, what god gave me and say I am "demon possessed" becasue they are ignorant and stupid. It is only stupid Christians that believe in the "demon possessed" thing, not scientific knowledge.
Say then, I have beem forgiven!!! Those who are born of God cannot sin... Take up your cross daily, Being saved, they judge you, you judge them, what better are you than they??? Shall you not forgive??? Is that not hypocritical? I'm sorry people being demonically possessed is completely real, calling you demonically possessed is something I will give you as " stupid and Ignorant!! But it is ignorant to say that possession isn't real when you've never witnessed it, when others have!!!

To be saved at 4, i dont completely think you knew what you were doing, at that age, comprehension isnt as broad... There is only one way to be saved, hmmm... But actually knowing God, and getting closer to Him and His will is another thing that you will have to decide on... Science is the study of all that God created, btw...
 
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My dad is heavily influencing me. If you think I am bitter towards fundamnetalists churches, you should try out my dad's opinion. He is old and has put up with a lot of ignorant self righteous rednecks who really do not know the Bible at all. I know I am a sinner. I may not pray and read my Bible as often as I should, but I do it often enough to know what it means to be a Christian. Did you know there are Christian bullies and Christian terrorists? At least their philosophy is Christian, though in truth if they had the love of God they would not be bullies and terrorists.


My dad gets upset over right wing nuts that are hateful, especially hateful to Obama. He does not want to go to church anymore. He likes to relax on the weekends because he has to work hard during the week. Yes, he is saved, a Christian.

I would like to go back to the baptist church we used to go, but not sure if my family would be willing.
 
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If you are looking for the perfect church you won't find it. There are to many humans and not enough god. The pastors are human and have faults that reflect that. They are however commisioned by god as part of a five fold ministry. If a church does not offer an invitation to accept christ can the holy spirit really be at work there. No. Nobody is perfect. Each denomination has a disagreement from another. We should go to a church that we are being fed spiritually. If the church no longer offers that spiritually growth it is dried up and fruitless. People of jesus' time had prophets and jesus himself. Most were to affraid to step out of the box and accept a teaching they haven't heard. Because you haven't been taught a certain thing don't make it a lie. Look for a church where the pastor ain't affraid to preach truth. If they preach a message reguardless of persecution that may come chances are he or she is it in for god not to please people. We should also seek fellowship with other believers. If the people are complainers and carnal the holy spirit may not be at work there. Bottom libe, don't look for perfect people or familiar teachings look for god and the will to seek him. Look for a pastor with courage and faith from god to go against popular and trying to please god not people. Pray for discernment and judge the church by its fruits. A corupt tree cannot produce good fruit. Its not easy now days to find a good true, god seeking church. Don't be affraid to step out of your box. God is in deeper water. When you can't stand on your own (understanding, wisdom, etc. God is there. But if there's to much you in your relationship with god he is further away. Pray and fast and allow yourself to be swept away and lead completely by his holy spirit.