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TerranSun

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I've got a problem i'm struggling to deal with, and quite honestly everything i'm going to write about is causing me to lose the little faith I have left. I really do not want to reach out not even to the Lord anymore, so let me explain the situation in order to grasp it. I apologize beforehand for the long post, and thank you for reading it and giving a reply.

I live in South Africa, lived here all my life, I'm sure some of you may be aware of the countries history and unfortunately my parents generation can't shake some of that mentality. My biggest issue at the moment is my parents, they are both christian's, and go to church with me, however their actions around me and towards me tell a different story and I am aware that other christian's do the same thing. All my life, even now in my twenties which I am ashamed to say have they oppressed me, every goal or dream I have had is wrong from their viewpoint. I can understand their side of the negative influence some of those goals may have, but i'm perfectly aware of any dangers I may face.

Most of my life I have been drawn toward art, from visual to audio art, whenever I drew fantasy, it usually ended up being torn up in front of me, told it was evil, eventually I was even restricted from illustrating at all, then the musical side, the excuse was instruments are too noisy, so I wasn't allowed to learn to play, eventually I made friends with musicians and learned a bit, but was soon barred from seeing them. I was barred from most friendships I had, usually my parents would judge them falsely and make a scene to get rid of them, usually resulting in trouble at school. I wasn't allowed to wear clothes that I liked, even if was still decent and had to end up wearing something that looked like it came out of the 50's, not that it mattered because we lost everything and I ended up wearing whatever hand me downs I could get from my dad or whatever friends I had.

Majority of my teens years we were living on a poverty line, hardly anything to eat, so I got a job at fifteen, spending more time on work than school, in order to help support my family, I wasn't exactly an achiever at school and trying to learn at school on an empty stomach was pretty difficult, combined with social pressure from peers and the stresses at home. In the process of surviving my parents would usually lash out at me to relieve their stress, whether it was physically or verbally, till this day I have pain from internal injuries as well as the memories, however i've made my peace with it and try to block it out as much as possible.

Poverty has been in front of me my whole life, it brings me down every day I walk out of the house and see the shacks and ruined old building, on some days I couldn't stand to be at home and risked my life to go into those neighborhoods, some times I got attacked and robbed from what little I had, but understood their desperation, some welcomed me into their area of living and it gave me somewhat a piece of mind to live in my conditions, it made me care for these people living in these conditions, never to know a brighter future, oppressed and ignored by many with a handful that would help, and still I feel torn that all I can do is volunteer work to make a difference for them. Then I return home even til this day to hear my parents use derogatory terms toward people they don't really know anything about, and it's just not them I hear it from, I hear it from my sister and her boyfriend as well, even other christian's. I tell them how I feel about it but no one listens and I struggle to see this love Jesus tried to teach.

After college I moved out of the house to another city, I couldn't afford to live in a nicer area so I lived among African prostitutes and drug dealers, I had a good job, I began to smoke a lot of pot, I was away from my family and for the first time, even in the living conditions I was happy, I got into a relationship for the first time and it was the best thing to happen to me, until my parents began to interfere, telling me that they "hate", exactly those words my girlfriend and shouldn't be with her, I ignored them until they began to phone her and make her upset, she eventually held it against me and the relationship was souring. If that was not enough they began to interfere with my work, creating problems for me, eventually I lost my job and my girlfriend who I actually wanted to marry left me, I couldn't find more work and was eventually forced to move back home.

So I am home, it's a small town and can't find work, anyone I could consider a friend that I knew live in another country so I have stuck at home, doing chores, going to church and listening to my parents belittle me more and more, I don't fight them and try to tell them that their actions aren't christian and then they ignore me and continue attacking me. I still want to follow my dreams and in secret I've been teaching myself, and some people actually liked some of my art and music, even if i'm not really that great. So it has come to the point where my parents told me they want me out of the house and don't care if I sleep in the streets, which I've heard since the age of five, but this time it's no idle threat, I have nowhere to go and all I got out of the church is that I should pray, which I do every day and have been doing for a long time and nothing changes. So all I can do now is sell everything I own, which is not a lot, but hopefully I could make two months rent somewhere, maybe i'll find a job, maybe I won't.

So that is only some of the story and I really did not want to let anyone in on it, all I know is I will always love my parents and care for others, I've always done what has been asked of me as best I could. But now i'm tired and worn up, I can't even laugh anymore or smile, I just hope God forgives me for turning my back on him now, my faith is up and hopefully my time will soon be too. I'm tired of seeing wars, racial hatred, white collar crime, rape, murder, prejeduce, poverty, greed, gluttony, and lust. The world is moving rapidly while millions are left behind to eat the dirt being kicked in their faces and powerless as I am, all I'll be able to do is crawl up on a street corner or lay in a field to think of life as a saccharine reverie until hunger brings forth the inevitable, i'd rather go out quietly than be a beggar, soon what faith I have left will be gone and i'll burn for my sins, because every church I go just says I should pray and I see no evidence. I guess I was just destined to become a horrible human being to never do anything right or achieve anything.

Oh and happy new year, have a toast on me since i'll be in my room.
 
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Kyouken

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#2
Well, I'm not sure I'm the right guy for this, but I'll give it a shot (awesome profile picture by the way :D):

God forgave you way back when Jesus atoned for our sins. Saved or unsaved, all men and woman have been forgiven of their sins. You, my friend, have been forgiven. The thing is, even if you've turned your back on Him, He's still looking at you from up there, in heaven, smiling. Why is He smiling? Because He's looking at you! He loves you! He's happy that you're His son! He's got your picture in His wallet, and He shows it to people! His hand is always there, reaching out to you. No matter how many times you fall, His hand will always be there to pick you up! In fact, it's there right now! All you have to do is reach up and grab it! He will NEVER leave you nor forsake you [Hebrews 13:5]! Also, once saved, always saved (except in a certain case, although I'm not getting into that; now isn't the time)!

People only go to hell for one sin, and that is denying Christ. That's it. If I'm correct, you've taken Jesus to be your savior. That means you have power inside of you. That power comes from your born again spirit, which, since you've been saved, has been made identical to Jesus', and it cannot be defiled. God has provided many things to His sons through grace. In a short list, that includes: forgiveness of sins, prosperity, health, (and some others I forget... they're in the Bible). Those things are all in Christ's atonement. This may sound a bit harsh here, but most things can only happen to you if you let them. If you read and study the Bible with your heart, you'll understand how God works and who He is. That way, you'll be able to prevent things from happening. (if you have an understanding of the Bible, you'll be able to discern those things in which you can prevent).

Also, part of believing in God means that we need to do our part. Grace is what God has done, and faith is taking action based on what God has done for us through His grace. If you pray, and you don't immediately see manifestation, keep believing. If you don't believe as soon as you don't see, then you've successfully stopped any possible result from happening. That's not to say that you can't have belief and unbelief at the same time [Mark 9:24]. In order to properly act in our faith, we must follow this guideline: faith without works is dead [James 2:17]. I'm not talking about salvation, either. If someone believes that they've been healed by Jesus' atonement, then they need not act sick. (Not a good example, but I think that shows the point). Just read the Bible. It doesn't sound like your church is helping.

Lastly, you aren't a failure. You're a masterpiece. God never made a failure, and God made you. Before I go further, I need to mention this: in our flesh, we're nothing. But you and I and every other believer are not in the flesh! You're awesome! God sees you as you are in the spirit! Whenever you sin, He's like this: What sin? Why? Because your spirit cannot be defiled! God loves you more than you can imagine!

I'm sorry about your parents, by the way. While what they have told you could be to benefit you or something (it doesn't sound like it at all, though), it sounds like they're seriously legalistic. They ought to hear the Good News.

If I may recommend you someone, I'd go here -> Home - Andrew Wommack Ministries

Cheer up, man. You've got God! If God can be for you, who can be against you?
 
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TerranSun

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Thank you Kyouken for your advise and inspiration, i've read those verses and have also found some devotions on the link you've posted, just hard to stay positive. I do read and study the bible, even have scholarly versions, it does help a lot to understand the ways of God, though I tend to forget most of what I read, :p. Like always, just need to ride out the storm.
 
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Kyouken

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In your situation, I can understand why it would be hard to stay positive. I'd suggest looking to God, but I imagine that's what your church would have told you too.
Part of what God has given you in His grace is actually joy, something far beyond happiness. And it's right in your born again spirit - [Galatians 5:22-23 - "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."] I think that it's easier to believe for something if you've already got it. It can be hard... You sound like you know what's up, though. You can do it! You've got God!

I hope you can find some kind of ride, or at least rest in the eye of the storm while you can. I can't identify with the pain you've gone through, but I can identify with you in Christ. I can only lend you my ear; if you for some reason need to talk about something, or need a friend, well, I'd listen.

Oh, and another verse for you that might help you a lot (considering you said you forget most of what you read): John 14:26 - "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." If the Bible is God's word, and you're reading it, He's talking to you, isn't He :D ?

I wish I could say more, but alas, I'm not the person to do so. I hope at least some of what I said was helpful to you. God bless you.
 
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barukhmalachi

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Gods word says where you treasure is there shall your heart be also. Works don't get us to heaven but we are rewarded for them. Some seek praise for their good works. They have their reward already. Those who do works in secret seeking no earthly return are rewarded in heaven. If your treasure is in heaven your mind is set on gods kindom not this world. Persecutions you suffer for his name are not going ignored. To be greater in gods kindom you may be lesser in this one. You put faith in god sight unseen. That's what faith is. The fact you still don't see anything is not grounds for loosing faith but for growing stronger in faith. Separate your thoughts from this world and what you see and put them towards doing gods will. Be encouraged in stiring up treasure in heaven that moth does not corrupt nor thieves steal. Its easier said than done. If it was easy what reward would you have. Do you win an olympic medal by watching the olympics on tv. No it takes steadfast dedication. You say you can't remember what you read yet you don't have much schooling yand your written english is better than some americans. Your bible must be in english. Considering your location and situation I'm guessing an undetstanding above your peers given by the holy spirit or a dedication above most to learn. You don't see god working? Look for small things before bigger things. You got to crawl before you walk but dobt loose faith. Your reward will out weigh the pain.
 

TheAristocat

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Oct 4, 2011
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I've got a problem i'm struggling to deal with, and quite honestly everything i'm going to write about is causing me to lose the little faith I have left. I really do not want to reach out not even to the Lord anymore, so let me explain the situation in order to grasp it. I apologize beforehand for the long post, and thank you for reading it and giving a reply.

I live in South Africa, lived here all my life, I'm sure some of you may be aware of the countries history and unfortunately my parents generation can't shake some of that mentality. My biggest issue at the moment is my parents, they are both christian's, and go to church with me, however their actions around me and towards me tell a different story and I am aware that other christian's do the same thing. All my life, even now in my twenties which I am ashamed to say have they oppressed me, every goal or dream I have had is wrong from their viewpoint. I can understand their side of the negative influence some of those goals may have, but i'm perfectly aware of any dangers I may face.

Most of my life I have been drawn toward art, from visual to audio art, whenever I drew fantasy, it usually ended up being torn up in front of me, told it was evil, eventually I was even restricted from illustrating at all, then the musical side, the excuse was instruments are too noisy, so I wasn't allowed to learn to play, eventually I made friends with musicians and learned a bit, but was soon barred from seeing them. I was barred from most friendships I had, usually my parents would judge them falsely and make a scene to get rid of them, usually resulting in trouble at school. I wasn't allowed to wear clothes that I liked, even if was still decent and had to end up wearing something that looked like it came out of the 50's, not that it mattered because we lost everything and I ended up wearing whatever hand me downs I could get from my dad or whatever friends I had.

Majority of my teens years we were living on a poverty line, hardly anything to eat, so I got a job at fifteen, spending more time on work than school, in order to help support my family, I wasn't exactly an achiever at school and trying to learn at school on an empty stomach was pretty difficult, combined with social pressure from peers and the stresses at home. In the process of surviving my parents would usually lash out at me to relieve their stress, whether it was physically or verbally, till this day I have pain from internal injuries as well as the memories, however i've made my peace with it and try to block it out as much as possible.

Poverty has been in front of me my whole life, it brings me down every day I walk out of the house and see the shacks and ruined old building, on some days I couldn't stand to be at home and risked my life to go into those neighborhoods, some times I got attacked and robbed from what little I had, but understood their desperation, some welcomed me into their area of living and it gave me somewhat a piece of mind to live in my conditions, it made me care for these people living in these conditions, never to know a brighter future, oppressed and ignored by many with a handful that would help, and still I feel torn that all I can do is volunteer work to make a difference for them. Then I return home even til this day to hear my parents use derogatory terms toward people they don't really know anything about, and it's just not them I hear it from, I hear it from my sister and her boyfriend as well, even other christian's. I tell them how I feel about it but no one listens and I struggle to see this love Jesus tried to teach.

After college I moved out of the house to another city, I couldn't afford to live in a nicer area so I lived among African prostitutes and drug dealers, I had a good job, I began to smoke a lot of pot, I was away from my family and for the first time, even in the living conditions I was happy, I got into a relationship for the first time and it was the best thing to happen to me, until my parents began to interfere, telling me that they "hate", exactly those words my girlfriend and shouldn't be with her, I ignored them until they began to phone her and make her upset, she eventually held it against me and the relationship was souring. If that was not enough they began to interfere with my work, creating problems for me, eventually I lost my job and my girlfriend who I actually wanted to marry left me, I couldn't find more work and was eventually forced to move back home.

So I am home, it's a small town and can't find work, anyone I could consider a friend that I knew live in another country so I have stuck at home, doing chores, going to church and listening to my parents belittle me more and more, I don't fight them and try to tell them that their actions aren't christian and then they ignore me and continue attacking me. I still want to follow my dreams and in secret I've been teaching myself, and some people actually liked some of my art and music, even if i'm not really that great. So it has come to the point where my parents told me they want me out of the house and don't care if I sleep in the streets, which I've heard since the age of five, but this time it's no idle threat, I have nowhere to go and all I got out of the church is that I should pray, which I do every day and have been doing for a long time and nothing changes. So all I can do now is sell everything I own, which is not a lot, but hopefully I could make two months rent somewhere, maybe i'll find a job, maybe I won't.

So that is only some of the story and I really did not want to let anyone in on it, all I know is I will always love my parents and care for others, I've always done what has been asked of me as best I could. But now i'm tired and worn up, I can't even laugh anymore or smile, I just hope God forgives me for turning my back on him now, my faith is up and hopefully my time will soon be too. I'm tired of seeing wars, racial hatred, white collar crime, rape, murder, prejeduce, poverty, greed, gluttony, and lust. The world is moving rapidly while millions are left behind to eat the dirt being kicked in their faces and powerless as I am, all I'll be able to do is crawl up on a street corner or lay in a field to think of life as a saccharine reverie until hunger brings forth the inevitable, i'd rather go out quietly than be a beggar, soon what faith I have left will be gone and i'll burn for my sins, because every church I go just says I should pray and I see no evidence. I guess I was just destined to become a horrible human being to never do anything right or achieve anything.

Oh and happy new year, have a toast on me since i'll be in my room.
How could your family ruin your job for you? Couldn't you talk with your boss and get it cleared up? After all your boss knew you better than they knew your family, right? Who would they trust more?

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Steve4U

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Thinking of you,

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