Can you call yourself a Christian if you voted for Obama?

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eringobrea

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I notice a couple of inconsistencies. First of all as stated in an earlier post,
~McCain wanted them out.
~McCain and most conservatives don't want freedom of speech in order to use the Lord's name in vein, they want to use the Lord's name in public, which is EXACTLY what Obama wants to prevent in order to install and support separation of church and state. There are way too many examples that exist for me to list that support that fact.
~Lied during the campaign? About what? When? Based on what? I mean that's a pretty general statement.
~War is also not murder when your'e in battle defending your life and the lives of those around you.
~By the way chalkboards, textbooks, transportation, lower taxes, legal voting, limited presidential terms, and the prevention of Sharia law genecide are just a fraction of the reasons we are there: not to support their worship of Allah.
 
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eringobrea

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Thanks for the discussion, that's why I started the thread.
 
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1still_waters

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eringobrea said:
I notice a couple of inconsistencies. First of all as stated in an earlier post,
~McCain wanted them out.
~McCain and most conservatives don't want freedom of speech in order to use the Lord's name in vein, they want to use the Lord's name in public, which is EXACTLY what Obama wants to prevent in order to install and support separation of church and state. There are way too many examples that exist for me to list that support that fact.
~Lied during the campaign? About what? When? Based on what? I mean that's a pretty general statement.
~War is also not murder when your'e in battle defending your life and the lives of those around you.
~By the way chalkboards, textbooks, transportation, lower taxes, legal voting, limited presidential terms, and the prevention of Sharia law genecide are just a fraction of the reasons we are there: not to support their worship of Allah.
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(not expecting you to view all these videos..just there for reference)
~War is also not murder when your'e in battle defending your life and the lives of those around you.

How was Iraq a threat?

He even said Iraq had nothing to do with 911. He admits Iraq didn't have wmd's. And in the speech he says it was about freedom!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM


~McCain wanted them out.

Well technically Bush wants them out too. No one wants them there.
Mccain was in fact for the surge! That sent more there!! He's one of the few who campaigned for it! Mccain says we should stay in Iraq maybe up to 50 to 100 years!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32i3pL9z7UE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzlWk2lksuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olLOtOkgHgs&feature=related

~Lied during the campaign? About what? When? Based on what? I mean that's a pretty general statement.

He accused Obama of wanting to teach sex to kids, but all Obama wanted to teach was for kids to avoid sex predators!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAInJKu1yQU

By the way chalkboards, textbooks, transportation, lower taxes, legal voting, limited presidential terms, and the prevention of Sharia law genecide are just a fraction of the reasons we are there: not to support their worship of Allah

I thought we were there to get nukes and wmd's??Our tax money is being used to build places for these folks to learn about and worship allah. Our troops are dying for those rights.

Ok, now I'm really done. We've kinda hijacked this thread anyways. OOps.
 
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eringobrea

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Thanks again for your responses and your time. Again, this is why I started it. Even though I disagree with EVERYTH..... just kidding. Salvation is probably one thing that we can't argue with and the glorification of God is why we even exist and that's more important than either one of those men. Have a nice day.
 
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I think a lot of people, even Christians, became enamored with Obama, probably because he of his gung-ho attitude, like he was gonna change the US radically and make it such a better place. Americans, in general, have been waiting for someone to radically turn the tide of the US, and I think many people felt Obama was the man to do it.

To me, I thought it was pretty obvious that he was the "scarier" of the candidates (the one more likely to do things against God's word), but I do know a few saved people (definitely born again, saved) who thought he was a good candidate.

 
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1still_waters said:
Mccain was for a war in Iraq where many of our Christian soldiers were dying so people could have the right to worship Allah!

That's a violation of the FIRST and maybe THE greatest commandment, IF you were to ever categorize levels of sins.

By the way, if I sound like I'm mad, I'm not. Just a lil excited over here:)
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Our brothers, who have given their lives to set the people of Iraq to be a free people, have not died in vain, because God has opened the doors for many Christians (including those in the military) to go and minister the gospel openly and discretely, which they were not able to do before. The people of Iraq are still Muslims but they are able to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ and churches are being planted. This is to the glory of God and we should be thankful for His grace reaching these people who are in need of God's great salvation through Christ?

http://www.gospeltoiraq.com/visiontoreality.html
 
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You can call yourself Christian if Jesus is your risen Lord and saviour by his Grace not our works. I strongly dislike these threads that start out "can you call yourself a Christian if..."
 
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eringobrea

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Could it be said that your definition of being a Christian is pretty blanketing? Many claim Jesus as their Lord and Savior but don't live like, act like, think like, or vote like Christians. There are some, like myself, that wish those people would not make a bad name for Christians by being so secular and un-Christlike. Some would argue that Catholics are not Christians yet most if not all Catholics consider themselves Christians. Obama even considers himself a Christian yet funds partial birth abortion and supports homosexual rights.
 
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chelsers

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eringobrea said:
Could it be said that your definition of being a Christian is pretty blanketing? Many claim Jesus as their Lord and Savior but don't live like, act like, think like, or vote like Christians. There are some, like myself, that wish those people would not make a bad name for Christians by being so secular and un-Christlike. Some would argue that Catholics are not Christians yet most if not all Catholics consider themselves Christians. Obama even considers himself a Christian yet funds partial birth abortion and supports homosexual rights.
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I think what she's saying is you can't judge someone's relationship with Christ. Now whether or not they're living the way they should be, that you can tell. But what's in their heart, that's between them and God.
 
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eringobrea

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What's in their heart is of no issue if they don't produce fruit. Apple tree education 101. The same holds true for Christians. You mentioned "Now whether or not they're living the way they should be, that you can tell". Well... is that not the point?
 
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chelsers

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eringobrea said:
What's in their heart is of no issue if they don't produce fruit. Apple tree education 101. The same holds true for Christians. You mentioned "Now whether or not they're living the way they should be, that you can tell". Well... is that not the point?
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You can't judge whether or not someone is saved or not, thus a Christian. I agree that some denominations and Christians don't do what they should and don't live as we're supposed to.

What's in their heart is the ultimate issue, because salvation is not by our good works. That's not saying we shouldn't do good works, but that's not how we're saved.
 
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eringobrea

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So what you're saying is a good tree can produce bad fruit. Mat: 7:18 says a good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mat 21:19; Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered. God did not even consider the pith of the tree or even the roots. It was simply the fruit. You said some Christians don't do what they should and don't live as we're supposed to. Again, that's the point. If they're not, then what are they?
 
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chelsers

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"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7
 
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eringobrea

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Wait, wait, wait. I think you're off track. If you want me to defend my Christianity, I won't. I don't need to. I'm not running for president, but if I did, I would campaign according to the bible and that's a fact. Obama did not even come close and he won on the backs of many Christians. That irks me and it should irk many.
 
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eringobrea said:
With his clear support of homosexual rights and partial birth abortion and most recently his support of the Chavez-like dictatorial (recently ousted) ruler of Honduras, can a person call him/herself a Christian if they helped place President Obama into the White House?
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They can call themselves whatever they want, but anyone that voted for Obama is no Christian. No true follower of Christ would vote for anyone with the belief set that Obama holds to.
 
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chelsers said:
"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John 8:7
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That is my favorite verse and my favorite story in the bible!
 
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watchmen

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chelsers said:
You can't judge whether or not someone is saved or not, thus a Christian.
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Of course you can Jesus told us we will know them by their fruits, and John the Apostle told us that the children of Satan and the children of God are easily distinguished.

Matthew 7
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


1st John 3
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.



Obama is a habitual, unrepentant sinner, who bares nothing but bad fruit. I can confidently say according to God's word, he is no Christian.
 
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watchmen

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chelsers said:
I think what she's saying is you can't judge someone's relationship with Christ. Now whether or not they're living the way they should be, that you can tell. But what's in their heart, that's between them and God.
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Actually James tells us we can see what is in a mans heart and if they truly have faith in God or not by the way they act.
James 2
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
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Cookie38115

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Apples are Apples and Grapes are Grapes, until you are in the conversation with God and a Person, you don't really know what is true. There are more people going to hell professing they know God than you think. It is the mindset like some of you that drive people away from God. You are stiff neck and backwards. I voted for him, and I know I am saved. Just like the Jews who did not want the Gentiles to be included in salvation!!! You can not be serious, with this way of thinking!!!! I dare you to realy pray and ask The Father about it.
 
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imoss said:
You can call yourself Christian if Jesus is your risen Lord and saviour by his Grace not our works. I strongly dislike these threads that start out "can you call yourself a Christian if..."
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my salvation is the same the day i was born again and received the Holy spirit and knew nothing about works as it is today 16 years later where the Holy spirit convicts me of what is right and true and I've learned to listen and therefore in most cases produce good fruit. Being the sinner that I am though... sometimes i run it in the ditch. My Perfection is in Christ's covering of me. Please also dont insinuate that being Catholic somehow excludes people from eternal salvation through Christ our Lord. I'm not saying I agree with the practices of the Church & yes, i've seen priests who DO NOT know the lord, only know the religion but i've also met Holy spirit filled catholics who i would never say are not covered by their Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus. I do recommend that they start their own idividual Bible study, this can lead to breakaway from the Church (as my husband and many others i know did) Jesus rebuked the pharasees because they had all their ducks in a row as far as religion went but their hearts were all wrong. Judge your own heart and focus on your own self and your walk with the Lord, apply his words to yourself instead of throwing them at others. I found when i started doing this my growth in the Lord and in my relationships was amazing! God bless you as you seek the truth in Gods word and as you try to work hard to make yourself worthy. Just know that we are all unworthy.
 
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