Is denial of sex in marriage same as unfaithfulness?

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pzsl3j

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One thing that's worthwhile keeping in mind is that libido is a fragile thing. The truth is contrary to fictional portrayals in which everybody's ready to do it all the time, regardless of circumstance. The average (wo)man in movies, if my stopwatch and spreadsheet are correct, requires less than 2 seconds to decide on and engage in sex, and only ever has difficulties if they're in a coming-of-age story.

Stress, sleep deprivation, depression, disease, nutritional deficiencies, hormonal imbalances, even the use of over-the-counter antihistamines - it doesn't take much to kill a libido. By no means are any of these situations equivalent to unfaithfulness, unless a partner is intentionally engaging in an activity that kills libido, but then the problem is worse than simply not wanting to do it.

Nobody sleeps around because they missed a good night's sleep, but a man's circulating testosterone can be cut in half by a bad day at work. Over a period of years, this can result in a pathologically low libido. Compassion, rather than a comparison to infidelity, is necessary.

I completely understand and appreciate your admintion to compassion. I have spent some time with God last night asking him to give me just that. I have been compassionate in the past but sometimes I do grow "weary in well doing" as the Bible exhorts us too.

Everything you stated above about stress, sleep deprevation and other health issues can definitely lead to a low libido - I agree with you 100%. We as husbands and wives do need to be patient, compassionate and forgiving of our spouses - I agree 100% again.

But understand also our philosphy will affect our behavior - if we as as spouse have the philosphy that we don't have to try and meet our spouses needs if we don't feel up to or feel like - that is exactly what we are going to do. But is that what God says we ought to do? That is the question I believe we have to ask ourselves.

So it works from both sides - the husband should show compassion on his wife when she is occasionally not feeling up to having relations, but in turn the wife out to be able to look past her circumstances - especially if she has chronic health or anxiety issues, and look to work past those issues to take care of her husbands needs.

Often times we are called to do things we don't feel like doing - in fact this is something we teach our children. We don't always feel like doing the right thing, but it is still the right thing to do. Believe me you - and this came up in our counseling, there are more reasons to not have regular relations as husband and wife then to have them - from the world's perspective.

Everything you listed depression, anxiety, stress at work, stress at home and health issues are reasons people may not feel like having relations with their partner. Or perhaps even both partners don't feel like having relations because of one or more of these issues.

But God commands through the Apostle Paul - that we are not to deny or defraud one another, he does not list exceptions for if you are tired, depresseed or stressed then you don't have too.

But I have really been strengthen this conversation though...God is giving me a new burst of compassion to stick with my marriage and wait on his time - I cannot change my wife's perspective, only he can and I am going to continue to have faith that he will.

I thought long and hard about this last night, and while I defintely don't believe things are where they need to be in our love life, I can look back over our marriage (about 2 1/2 years now) and see we both have come a long ways...we both just need to grow more.

I grew up in home where we went to church my whole life - my mom and dad while they had there share of difficult times in their marriage, modeled the Biblical roles of husband and wife. So obviously I came into my marriage expecting that my wife would understand that, and I knew when we were dating that there were some rough parts between us, but you know what they say - love is blind but marriage is real eye-opener..LOL.

A lot of our issues come from the fact that while my wife is a believer(she was just saved in 2005 at age of 33) she still has a lot the world's philosphies in her because she was raised in home that taught veiled feminist beliefs. Those will definitely come into conflict with God's view of marriage and the role of men and woman in marriage.

She knows what the Bible says now about men and women's roles(as our Pastor and his wife have tried to teach her) but while she knows it intellilectually, its a very very slow process for it sink into her heart.

I believe what God is trying to teach me is patience and waiting on him to work in her heart. I do not believe my needs are unreasonable or selfish, but God is just asking me to patient. He is also trying to get me to continue showing unconditional love - I was doing that for sometime, giving expecting nothing in return, but then the fleshly side of me takes over sometimes and I get upset when I see time and time again my needs not being met.

I think just being able to talk about these things anonymously with other Christians is very theraputic experiance...if we look in the Psalms we can see David in many many lows where is sometimes seems to be doubting God and wondering why he is in the situation he is in, why would we think we are any different than than him in that we sometimes will grow weary in well doing?
 
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Ok first of all, denial of sex is not cheating or being unfaithful. cheating on a spouse, being unfaithful, requires
having sex, of any kind with another person, to be ever so blunt.

1 Corinthians 7-4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband:
and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
 
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First here is where I agree with you:

I agree it would be heartless and cruel for someone to divorce their spouse because they had an accident and could no longer have sex - 100%. But that person is not willfully denying the person, there is nothing they can do - I believe this is the rare exception and not the norm.

Where I disagree:

I believe that it is sexually immoral(immoral means wrong action) to willfully deny your spouse when you are physicially capable of having sex. Therefore you are cheating your spouse of yourself and placing them in a position of burning passion and to be tempted by Satan as Paul points out.

Please do not misunderstand me, I am not talking about occasional denials...we are all human. I am talking about willful, thought out, "you are married and stuck with me and if I only want to have sex with 8 times a year, then you are stuck with that, and need to accept it".


Also it is very common...for Christian women and non-christian women alike, to behave very flirtateously and sexually toward their boyfriends(and yes I know sex before marriage is wrong) or husbands and only after a few months of marriage to pull the wool from his eyes to reveal her true intent..that she would set the agenda around sex and not him and he just has to deal with it.

In many ways for a women to the switch-aroo as I am describing would probably be grounds for annullment if you can catch it fast enough. It is tantoumout to fraud, as the King James version calls it - "defraud ye not"

"Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency." 1 Corinthians 7:5

Sorry you are trying to make a great sin as something less and an act to be with God a sin.

To be sexually immoral is to have the following attributes:

ØBestiality
- Sexual activity between a person and that of a non-human

Ø Homosexuality
- Sexual activity with another of the same sex

ØTran sexuality
- A person who permanently acts or wishes to be part of, and completely identifies themselves with the opposite sex. The act also includes those who have undergone the change in sexual orientation

Ø Sodomy
- Intercourse via the anus, committed by a man with a man or woman

Ø Adultery
- Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse

Ø Incest
- Sexual intercourse between persons too closely related to marry

Ø Debauchery
- Wild gathering involving excessive drinking and promiscuity, commonly known as an orgy

Ø Promiscuity
- Having casual sexual relations frequently with different partners; indiscriminate in the choice of sexual partners, unrestrained in sexual behavior. All acts for the soul reason to satisfy their fleshly desires.

These are the most common forms of sexual immorality, but there can be more.

To say that your spouse is sinning by not having sexual relations with you is way out of context. Christ wishes of those who can refrain from such desires to do so, but if you cannot then you must marry. Neither one will be seen less or more in this matter in the eyes of Christ. If your spouse is abstaining from sexual desires with you for the purpose of God you must honour such a pledge and now with this you will be burdened with the test. Nothing can be done except for the two to sort out this matter amongst themselves.

I am seeing this thread to be your own personal life and are trying to find agreement from others in saying as you say to justify the grounds of divorce. I am sorry if this is your case, you have to be faithful and try sort the issue out in a non sinful way to find a answer to your situation in life with your spouse. These grounds are by no way acceptable for the reason to divorce.

 
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pzsl3j

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If your spouse is abstaining from sexual desires with you for the purpose of God you must honour such a pledge and now with this you will be burdened with the test.
Ok even people who disagree with me about witholding sex being grounds for divorce(and if you read my posts I am not divorcing my wife over this)....most of us would understand the scriptures clearly state that a husband or wife may NOT without hold sex - even to devote themselves to God for "short time" without the consent of the other spouse.

1 Corinthians 7:4-5(NIV)
The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

There is nothing here about a spouse deciding on their own to withold from the other for the sake of God as some test for the other spouse...in fact based upon this passage Paul is making it clear that it is dangerous to deny your spouse and puts them in a place of temptation, when this is done, it must be mutual consent(to cease relations) and this should be only for short time.
 
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Ok even people who disagree with me about witholding sex being grounds for divorce(and if you read my posts I am not divorcing my wife over this)....most of us would understand the scriptures clearly state that a husband or wife may NOT without hold sex - even to devote themselves to God for "short time" without the consent of the other spouse.

1 Corinthians 7:4-5(NIV)
The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

There is nothing here about a spouse deciding on their own to withold from the other for the sake of God as some test for the other spouse...in fact based upon this passage Paul is making it clear that it is dangerous to deny your spouse and puts them in a place of temptation, when this is done, it must be mutual consent(to cease relations) and this should be only for short time.
I never said you wanted to leave your wife i just took it that you started a debate on the matter. I understand what you are saying but then it is like now what must you do rape your wife? You two need to sort the matter out between yourselves. Why is she abstaining from sex, nearly no one would do so. How old is your wife, i cannot see how she can so easily hold her temptations. She may have a medical condition you can have checked out and fixed and thus you can bring her desires on so you both in the end will be happy.
 
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Absolutely, as everyone knows when a woman refuses to pleasure her man in a Godly manner, she is giving up her rights to protection under the 10 commandments section 8 "thou shall not commit adultery." Her husband must satisfy his loins elsewhere, without anger or hassel from wife.

As the old parable goes, "it's a hungry dog that turns over the trash."

Feed your love hound ladies, only in missionary position.

"Chain so big I can't pop my coller."
 
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psychomom

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" he said on a marriage level, no or little sex will kill a marriage."
I don't believe the finality of that statement, simply because in 32 years of marriage I've seen it to be untrue.
Because of illness, my husband and I don't have sex as often as we'd (especially he'd) like...and our marriage is alive and well, thanks to the Lord! :)
Yeah, we're elderly. lol And this would have been more difficult for my husband at 43 than it is at 63 (although we both still have healthy appetites).

I think I remember from other posts that you have reason to be unhappy in your marriage. And I understand, and sympathize, I really do!! And I'm glad to see you're not at point divorce. I just ask that you allow that you m-a-y be searching for a scriptural reason for divorce that doesn't exist. Although I have NO idea what it must be like to live day after wearying day in a very unhappy situation marriage wise, I do know what it is to live with difficult circumstances in many other ways. And you really have no guarantee you'd be any happier without your wife. (sorry- that sounds harsh, and I don't mean it that way.)
I pray you'll be able to continue to allow the Lord to guide your steps. I really, really hope things improve. But if they do not, I really hope you can find peace in the place God has you, my brother.
~ellie
 
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heatherivory

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Wow :eek: No, i don't think its selfish to expect your spouse to make it a priority to make love. As everyone knows, men need that release at least every 3 days or so. Why leave him hanging, tempted, frustrated, feeling unloved??? Of course men can do things to make their wives warm up to them (literally). I don't know the specifics of this situation. But i know that we women will want to make love when we feel deeply desired, pursued, and MOST importantly when our husbads relieve us of our fears & insecurities. So it takes work on the mans part. Sometimes long, hard work. The Lord pursues us even when we're being unlovely, Husbands are supposed to be like the Lord in the marriage.
 
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Well, I think finding what works for your marriage is what we are meant to do. If I am low on the libido and my husband is the opposite, I come out and say that I'm not hot and bothered, but if he wants it I will do that just not as enthusiastically. Some times he's game others he would rather hold out. I leave it up to him, I mean if I'm not the one wanting it what is wrong with me not doing the work? I figure nothing, am I wrong?
I feel like I am obeying the lord and honor my husband.
 

Blu_Bug

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"Quote" So I say all this as backdrop to my question - the Bible says someone can divorce their spouse for unfaithfulness, so is witholding relations fall under the category of being unfaithful? Is it simply the flipside of cheating, really instead of cheating on your spouse, you are cheating your spouse of yourself?


If your looking for a reason to get a divorce, you have it already, the comment shows no love between you and your mate.

God looks to the marrige made UNDER HIS name as unique, but He also wants everyone to follow all of his laws. Try to improve your relationship in a way acceptable to both, I can only assume this wasn't a problem in the begining.