men and sexual sin

ukkez · May 2, 2013

i hope i dont upset anyone with this post but its something i really feel i need to get some feed bk on.

men... why does sexual sin happen, in that its in the news alot lately, on men raping under age girls, killing little girls or abducting them. catholics with the rape of young boys. i just dont understand how on earth men get it in there head that these things are ok. why SOME men feel its ok to over power everyone in frount of them to degrate and make the victim feel degrading and mentaly scared for the rest of there lives, while they walk around thinking its a normal thing.

is it because young men arnt told to respect other people now, or is it a fact of life.
is there anything in the bible to why?
what can we do about it?

God bless x

hattiebod · May 2, 2013

ukkez said:

We live in a time where all we do is written large and not easy to hide...so I do think we hear more about these things. But, we also live in a time that has the highest divorce rates, single parenting and 'traditional family' breakdown...high unemployment and more families where both partners work. In Uk more children are raised now without their real fathers. We also live in an age of entitlement, if you want something you ought to have it and, we live in a nation that has rejected God. I think all these things contribute. We need to raise our sons to respect women, to have self control! And raise our women to respect themselves...that would be a start! Lastly, we need to be mindful despite all the negative press that instills fear, the majority of men are not rapists and wife / girl friend beaters. They are just as horrified about this as women are. God Bless, and remember, with God, we need not fear!! <><

Iluv_Jesus · May 2, 2013

The parents should teach their young, especially boys to look at and treat all women with respect. Do not encourage pornography. Such discipline comes with an early age. Those with problems must be cared for and given counseling and case study and group therapy activities for such accused and people having such problems. Emotional reconstruction. It's a sensitive issue.

didymos · May 2, 2013

Why ask us men specifically? Personally I don't understand such behaviour either.
There are enough cases of women abusing (young) men too btw, catholic nuns in boarding schools for instance.

ukkez · May 2, 2013

Iluv_Jesus said:

in that case do u think it doesnt help that on the telly there is often womens underwear, avdvertising, hear about sex in music on the radios, now a days sex seems to be a free thing, on one of the programs this morning there was a lady talking about one night stands, like its nothing, women like her give men the wrong impresstion.
but that doesnt excuse men to be vile to young girls.

Tintin · May 2, 2013

I don't like this thread but that's also because the truth is sometimes very unpleasant. Abuse is a viscous cycle. Strange beliefs, a lack of love, broken homes - all of these contribute too. Sometimes I feel guilty just for being a male (but that's not right either).

hattiebod · May 2, 2013

ukkez said:

Its a complex issue but I am sure the proliferation of women being portrayed in a sexual manner is not helpful. But as mothers we need to take responsibility, it makes me cringe when I see 'Toddlers & Tiaras' and game shows where a mother tries to 'out date' her daughter with the same men!! I know these are extreme examples but we live in a time of exploitation....usually for money! And family values are often deemed irrelevant and old fashioned....bit like God!! So we need not be surprised. As individuals we just need to make sure we raise our children to be respectful & have self control. We live in a fallen world, what seems shocking to us today, will be nothing to what's coming next week! That's the world. Unfortunately, sex sells....and is not valued either any more but is just another commodity to be used and abused. How many posts do we read here on CC where teenage girls are pregnant & alone, often with more than one child and no father. Then asking 'why would God put me through this?' Truly not the life God ever designed for His children. Men & women need to get under Gods authority and seek His will in their lives, but to do that wenhave to know Him and even if we do, its often way too hard and sacrificial. It's much easier to do what we want....then blame God for the chaos!!

God Bless <><

ukkez · May 2, 2013

Tintin said:

sorry tintin, iv been putting in off for a while coz its not a nice subject, if its not something your wanting to talk about then sometimes u surpress a feeling and it just makes u angry inside. which is how iam getting.
im just getting down with having these male role models that iv had from a young age, only to find out that they were vilating there power in fame.

i guess it would be good if people could pray for good male role models.

maxwel · May 2, 2013

I don't think sexual sin is anything new.

GRA · May 2, 2013

ukkez said:

There is a whole lot more to this than most people know about. What you are seeing on the news is only the surface-level "front face" of it...

However, suffice it to say - the simple answer is this:

A man's "sex drive" is a very powerful thing.

Satan has put it into the minds and hearts of men to do evil...

ukkez said:

Lack of respect for God and His creation is certainly "at the core"...

ukkez said:

This says a lot about the source of most of what is happening today:

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. ~ Ephesians 6:12

ukkez said:

Pray. Raise our children properly - in the Lord. Become more educated about what is really behind most of it...

Duckies · May 2, 2013

This subject is darker than what has been exposed as of late... just as GRA comments on. Hattiebod made a good comment about how the times we live in are so broken.. and unfortunately this will continue to scale as the heart of men and women continue to fail.

Even among the educated and Christians you often see some of the worse damage because they know and yet choose to do wrong. Men have forgotten to protect and care... women have forgotten love others more than themselves... children forgot how to be children and try to grow up too fast. The list goes on and it is long and sad

On topic of your comment at the start of the thread, unfortunately Men will continue to satisfy its sexual desire as it seems that respect and love is slowly leaving people's hearts, and it has come down to the selfish way of seeing life now days by most people... what do i want? Ok i want this so i will do this then...

God Bless !!! Keep praying for all of those in our world... be innocent or guilty.
<3 All!

TheAristocat · May 2, 2013

ukkez said:

why do some men like little tapioca pearls in their tea? some men are a mystery.

but if it helps, I've heard that it's related to domination and control issues. maybe they were dominated by vindictive men or women in the past and this is their way of "getting back at the world." I wouldn't say it's really related to sexual pleasure so much

p90powa · May 2, 2013

ukkez said:

I can tell you, at least for me, I would never even think to rape anyone. For me it's not a matter of religion, because I am very near atheism. It's not because america has rejected god. I mean look at how many people believe in god. God has nothing to do with it in my opinion. I mean there was rape in the bible and sex slaves, etc. So talking about sex and sex slavery like it's nothing, well it's in the bible too. I would assume, IN MY OPINION, {I am stating opinions here.} it's because guys with friends want to like show off their....I guess belonging, in their group of friends? I mean my girlfriend was raped when she was 10. I just...it's bringing me very close to tears writing this. But anyway, guys act stupid when with friends. Me included. But I don't go out and rape people. I just do stupid things, like for example one time my friend got a bunch of lighters and threw them at the ground and they exploded. And we thought of that as "cool" Some other friends when with other friends, might be like "Yo, you hard core? Then let's go rape someone and prove it" I know I am absolutely HORRIBLE at trying to put ideas together, but what I am saying is this: In the case of raping where 2 or more guys are present, it is because they are trying to show off how hardcore they are to their friends. Friends, combined with certain other friends, do stupid and horrible things when together. Now most friends won't go rape people, I mean I would never think of it in my worst dreams, but some do. And this is the world we live in. I don't think anything, anytime soon is going to stop it. Look at all the anti drug, anti bullying, anti drunk driving rhetoric and programs and assemblies there are in schools, yet it doesn't stop the mind of some teenagers to do drugs and drive drunk and bully other kids. It's not going to stop. And I hate that. But this is the world we live in and I hope we can all come together. Atheists, christians, muslims, straits, gays, blacks, whites, etc. and put our differences aside and say no more of this crap. I'm sorry, I know this was just horrible ramblings. I hope you can understand me.

Greeneyed_Cajun · May 2, 2013

I can't speak for all men but I can say that there are times when as a male you can become so aroused that you basically lose the ability to fully rationalize your actions and at that point you become capable of almost anything. It's a scary place to be because things that you would never do or even consider when in a more coherent state of mind, seem logical to you. But once that state of arousal is over and done with you think Wow, did I seriously just consider that?
It's a lot like Jeckyl and Hyde. It's what happened when my daughter was conceived. Her mother and I were neighbors but we weren't friends and we didn't even like one another all that much. She was a couple of years older than me and a couple of grades higher up in school. We didn't have the same friends or belong to the same cliques or anything. But a situation arose when we were together and alone and it seemed like a good idea. The fact that we had no birth control didn't phase us, even though I certainly knew it was a bad idea on so many levels. When we were done it was really awkward like "Eww did I just do that with Her?" I'm sure she felt the same way about me. But nothing short of a lightning bolt would have stopped me beforehand. I was totally a slave to my hormones and desire. If that makes sense.
It's one reason I'm worried about my little girl dating when she gets older. I know how guys think and the pressures were under. Not all of us are strong enough to ignore those impulses.
I'm not saying rapists or sexual predators should be excused because of it. I'm just saying it plays a role.

Ugly · May 3, 2013

The problem with this, is that there is an accusation of men on this subject, while avoiding the reality that women often do this. I have heard countless stories of female teachers having sexual relations with underage boys. Or women selling their children to porn rings. Or women allowing men to sexually abuse their children, or even being involved in it with their men. Women are guilty of these things much more often than you hear about.

Livi94 · May 3, 2013

I want to make one point with a comment you made about Catholics raping young boys. Catholics, Baptist, Lutheran, or even non-christian, raping is a horrible sin period. Does not matter what your religious claim is. Raping is a sin. This happens ALL the time with probably more non Catholics than practicing Catholics. There is no need to put a label like that on someone who sins. There are people EVERY who commit horrible crimes. That's just people. People are bad. They sin. They sin all the time. They murder, cheat, steal, and so on. They sometimes also claim to be a practicing Christian. This is extremely common. To say "catholics with the rape of young boys" seems to be an awkward phrase as men all over the world with many different beliefs and practices have raped young boys and girls, and other men and women as well throughout Human history. It's horrible. It's disgraceful. It's sad. It's bad people, PERIOD.
This goes along with stereotyping other religions, races, and sex too. You basically asked why men do these things? People are people. We have an endoskeleton, a four chambered heart, a complex digestive system and so on. We bleed, think for our selves, and survive. We manage civil communities (or at least mostly strive to.) Throughout human history though, there has been sin. People have done bad things. Whose to say someone acted a certain way because they are male? Or, whose to say a whole community is untrustworthy because a few people acted in a selfish manner? People are bad and have been since the first human walked the Earth. But, people are good too. Our distinction between right and wrong makes us special. The incredible things we can do together through love, compassion, and faith is truly... incredible. God's love has driven us to make the right choices for thousands of years and his love is unlimited. He wants us to continue to make the right choices, to be examples for people who have made mistakes and have messed up in the past. Jesus made an example for us. The Lord said there is no greater love than to lay down your life for a friend. He showed us this by laying down his life for us, clearing our souls of sin, giving us a chance to begin again. That was the ultimate love, saving us. Great things can come from the great examples people set when they put their minds to it and when they put their hearts in to it. God bless <3

Tintin · May 3, 2013

Exactly! But society is fugged up so there's a double-standard: It's not abuse/molestation/rape because the male 'victim' must have enjoyed it. Screw you, society!

Ugly said:

GRA · May 3, 2013

Livi94 said:

Does this help you understand more clearly that she is not targeting Catholics?

ukkez said:

DuchessAimee · May 3, 2013

Sexual sin of any kind is nothing new, and it's not going away. You can't ask why men do something without considering women as well, and the answer to the question to this question (to any question about sin) is that we were broken in the Fall. There is sin because Adam and Eve chose to sin. We are their sons and daughters, so we sin as well. The depravity of man is extensive, and there are several places in the bible where it is discussed.

You cannot control the sin of others, and I understand why you're upset. But here's a little advice. Don't spin your wheels about seeing a sinful world. Instead do something to help the people affected by it.

savedsince14 · May 3, 2013

I agree. Sin is NOT going to go away. If it did, then the doctrine of sinless perfection after we are saved would be true and God would've lied when He said ,"If we say we have NO sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is NOT in us."Porn has been around for years and will always be around. God doesn't FORCE us to look at it, nor does the devil. WE decide whether we are going to look at it or not. And 99% of the time, the end result is either masturbation, fornication,or incest. God said,"There hath no temptation taken you , but such as is COMMON to man, but God is faithful who will NOT ALLOW you to be tempted above that ye are able,but WILL with the temptation also make a way of escape that ye may be able to bear it." In other words, everyone is tempted with the same temptations. It is up to us whether we yield to them or not. Now, you have to understand, it is Satans job to make temptation look so good that you think you must have this or do this. This is why we HAVE to depend on God to overcome the devil and not yield to sexual sin or any other temptation. My own personal experience is this. My uncle that raised me used to have porn under his bed. And when him and my aunt would leave, I would sneak up to their house and read and look at his porn and ,of course, masturbate. Sex was never discussed , so , really, his porn was how I learned about sex. So, we must remember that, even though God does NOT want us to sin, sexually or otherwise, He knows we are going to . If we didn't, then we would be just like God and the only place that is going to happen is in heaven, not on earth. We decide every day if we are going to speed or obey the speed limit, if we are going to look at a man or a woman lustfully. God is there for us who are saved no matter what.But, we still have to deal with temptation until the day we die. God will forgive us when we ask him to if we yield. Sex is one of the strongest desires we have and it is VERY

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