Birth Control...thoughts?

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iraasuup

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*agrees with Betsy* and I also dont appreciate you telling me there will be consequences for my actions?

Consequences because I choose to use birth control? I think not.

You would benefit from reading both threads that are floating around about this and reading ALL of my posts, before you cast judgement.

Thanks :)
 
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RoguePreacher said:
iraasuup,

If I am correct, and I am, God gave us a way to control birth. Its called absinance. Its 100% effective everytime. There aren't even side effects to it. Any form of birth control made by mankind is ungodly. This includes "pulling out". In Genesis 38 we read the tale of Onan who used the form of birth control called "pulling out". God took him. The bible called this evil even though the method of birth control was perfectly natural.
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Oh, and btw. The way I understand it...the reason God killed that guy...was because the lady he was having sex with was a widow...and Onan was supposed to give her a child, since her husband did not before he died. God made it very specific that he was to get her pregnant and he did not do as he was commanded. So God took care of his insubordination.

He didnt kill him because using birth control was a sin...
 
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Kaitlin

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I think I didn't make my opinion clear. I am not against birth control. I'm only against the ones that are or can be abortive. That is why I say take your temperature, get to know your body and your fertility signs. A woman is only fertile for 2 days each period so you only have to be careful for about a week of each period, and with experience you can even narrow it down to about 5 days each period. I don't think it is too bad to compromise with a condom or abstinence for a few days of each period.
And I don't like to be compared to an animal. That is sick. That has nothing to do with the kind of intimacy that a married couple experiences. To use a condom is not "waste" of a potential child, you're not looking at abortion here.
 
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iraasuup

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Did anyone say it was 'waste of a potential child' ? I certainly didn't! More to the point, who referred to you as an animal??

Who are you talking to?

Also, the temperatrue thing (natural planning I think it's called) well that's risky, you're playing with fire, and unless you're one of the very minute percentage of girls on the planet that actually have a reliable clockwork cycle, then it's never gonna work! Not to mention it takes away from all spontanaity of it all. Who want's to have to take temperatures and chart every day? No thanks!!
 
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loveschild said:
Birth control kills babies from being made and born. It is a sin. I've done it and I've been forgiven. Best to do things right. Wait till you get married. I didn't know God back then. I learned from the world and the world said it was ok. That was a lie from hell.
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Abortion kills babies. Birth control just eliminates the possibility of having one.

For example, a condom is a form of birth control. You're not killing babies, because there is no baby to kill.
 
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Had a vasectomy myself over 10 years ago after coming out of several lousy relationships. After having been very unhappily married/divorced about 10 years before that...this decision was one I had been thinking about for several years. Having decent insurance at the time...did the procedure & have never looked back. Never having had nor wanting children...due to bad experiences growing up being neglected/abused and seeing the effects of genetics. Seeing how others are often held hostage by their current/former spouses...I made the right decision for me.

Living in a community where I run into abused/neglected children all the time with the effects of this behavior...I have gotten to the point where I see many people who should not have children. In my lifetime...I have seen where children are a curse...rather than the blessing they were designed to be. I fully understand how this being a Christian forum...many are going to be horrified by what I have written. As a proverb I read many years ago says...you can't understand what I've gone through without walking in my shoes.
 
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I think that was a good choice then! I dont think having a vasectomy makes you any less of a Christian. And you are definitely right about a lot of children being viewed as curses these days....how heart-breaking.
 
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Kaitlin

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lil-rush said:
In response to the mention of the use of condoms:
What is the difference between aborting every baby God tries to give you and avoiding every baby God tries to give you.

either way you look at it a baby isn't coming into this world because of someone's selfish desires. If you don't want babies don't have sex. It's as simple as that. God created man and woman to procreate. There is a reason a woman makes eggs and a man makes sperm. If God wanted sex to be a simple pleasure thing that wasn't also necessary for creation of new humans he would have made us asexual. Animals understand the point of procreation. Why can't we?

I've always liked to believe we are smarter than animals, but obviously we are not if we cannot understand the concept of what sex is about but animals can.
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Iraasuup, you surprise me that you are taking it so personally. I never said or implied that you said so. (In response to your "Did anyone say it was 'waste of a potential child' ? I certainly didn't! "
Lil-rush's quote here is what I was referring to. Indeed, she did not use the terminology that I did, but saying that there is no difference between abortion and avoiding pregnancy is way out, in my opinion. She compares people to animals, saying they are even smarter than humans, which I think is outrageous.

Iraasuup, NFP works perfectly for my husband and I, so why do you need to attack it? But to enlighten you a little bit, there are devices so you don't have to keep charts. These devises are very precise (I'm sure you can get cheap unreliable ones as well, so go for the good products, I personally use the Ladycomp), and it does not take away spontanity, sure you have to take the temperature but that's not too hard. And no, you don't have to have regular periods to be able to use NFP successfully. With a little bit of responsibility it is at least as safe or even safer than the pill.
 
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Okay first off I'm not taking anything personally, it's just easier to reply to someone if you make it clear who you are responding too! I didn't see lilrush's post so it didnt make sense to me at first.

Secondly, Im not attacking NFP, I simply think it's very risky. It's like playing russian roulette, however I know people who use it and swear by it.

And oddly enough , I would have thought to actually chart a cycle, you'd need to know the regularity of it- that makes sense right? I mean, how can u chart it regularly in order to obtain a pattern if you have a cycle like 4 times a year? See what I'm saying? So again, it comes down to, what is right for each individuals circumstance.

Like I have said numerous times, I don't care one way or the other what other people choose to do. It's their choice, I do however care if those people try to force their opinion onto me, and condemn me, and accuse me of sinning simply because I disagree with them. I will not tolerate it.

This has happened to me numerous times in these threads, so that could explain why I'm a tad frustrated!
 
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Iraasuup, you're in an extreme situation (I advise you to contact an orthomolecular consultant), but for the average woman, or couple, NFP is an easy and accurate way to do birth control.

Noone is trying to force an opinion on you, and we are all entitled to voice our opinions, but you take it personally when people say that they think it is a sin to use birth control or certain types of them. (If you really didn't care, you would not respond so strongly). Noone forces you to respond or even join a thead if it frustrates you so much. You don't have a choice, you have to tolerate that people have another opinion than you and that they voice it. That is what the forums are for. Don't get me wrong, I like to hear your opinions, as a matter of fact, many of them are very amusing.
 
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iraasuup

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I'm glad you're amused, although that is not my intention.

Yes, you are right, I do get upset when people claim it to be a sin...why? Because there is ABSOLUTELY no scriptural evidence to support such a notion.

There is nothing in the bible that says if we use birth control we are not honouring God's will or committing some abominable reprehensible sin. That's what makes me furious, people making claims that are inaccurate based on their own emotions and convictions.

I really feel like I am banging my head against a wall here. I have said this repeatedly. My concern is that people with the view that birth control is wrong (and there's nothing wrong with that view) are using THEIR view to claim it is a SIN! I cannot comprehend that, and I really wonder what God thinks about us making up our own laws?

It's almost like me saying because my personal preference is not to drink alcohol, that NO ONE else should, and if they do they are sinning and going to be banished to the pit of hell. INCORRECT! That would be a foolish and ignorant assumption for me to make, not to mention misleading to those who are genuinely seeking answers. The bible does not say anywhere NEVER CONSUME alcoholic beverages, no it actually says:

Ephesians 5:18 (Contemporary English Version)

18Don't destroy yourself by getting drunk, but let the Spirit fill your life.




There is a BIG difference between saying 'I personally have chosen not to drink alcohol because I feel that it can lead to drunkeness, and may cause me to be a stumbling block to others (or whatever the reason may be) and saying 'NO, drinking alcohol is wrong for Christians. If you do it you are sinning' No, the bible says DO NOT BECOME DRUNK, not do not drink at all. Do you see what I am saying? If I were to preach it as being a sin, not only am I taking the verse out of context, I'm giving inaccurate information. I am not God - he makes the rules not me!


You think I'm not having an opinion forced upon me? I have dared to stand up and present the flip-side to this debate and had people tell me 'I'm not doing it God's way and will suffer consequences for my actions' which actually translates to: 'you don't agree with me and my outdated prejudices, so therefore I am going to condemn you and make you feel like a shameful sinner'. That is just one example of some of the ignorant things people have said to me on these threads. There have been many more.

It seems clear to me that it doesn't matter how many times I tell you I don't care what you do, you don't seem to understand my whole point. What is right for one person may not be for the next, it's really not rocket science. But absolutely NO-ONE can accuse someone else of sinning, simply because they don't agree with them. That is what you and many others have done. That's my whole point :IT'S NOT SIN! It's one of those many grey-areas in the bible, where we have to use our brain, do the research, consider the contributing factors to the situation and make an informed decision to suit own our situation.

I really don't know how much clearer I can be!!
 
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They should make a birth control drink
 
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I followed the discussion and read about how birth control pills work. The different opinions come from disagreeing on when life starts. Some say life starts when the egg is fertilized, others that only when it gets implanted, ending in pregnancy.
In my opinion life starts at conception (fertilization). In that case indeed birth control pills can cause abortion, since it blocks the fertilized egg to implant (as a last resort, step 3 - see in above posts about how pills work) and it prevents pregnancy (the fertilized egg will not implant). Destroying a fertilized egg doesn't mean abortion?
Indeed we can't find anything in the Bible about pills, but it seems like using pills does have the risk of an abortion taking place, and I guess we all agree that abortion is sin.
 
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I'm still convinced (read: it is my opinion) that it is not right to use a birth control method that is or can be abortive. I have not used the term "sin" before, but I do think that abortion in any possible way is sinning against God. God will judge me for that if I'm wrong (very unlikely). Some things we can't just choose at will. Abortion is not something that is right for someone and wrong for another. It's just always wrong.

Iraasuup, I'm not judging you for your choices or opinions - that is between you and God. But I do have the right to have my opinion on this, as you do too.
 
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iraasuup

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*facepalm* It seems I'm talking to myself.

I have just read more assumptions made be people who clearly aren't reading my posts. I'm done. This is seriously not worth the hassle of continually repeating myself.
 
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I would imagine it helps to abstain for birth control if you choose an ugly wife.
 
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Leilaii425

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I still think there should be a birth control drink, you can buy it in liters or ounces, even packs! Or maybe birth control dinners! steak chicken or fish!
 
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Iraasuup: if it helps any at all, you are making plenty of sense. I think the trouble is coming from the fact that if someone has an unpopular opinion, others tend to view it through their own filters, which will either twist what you have so carefully explained, or they will not even be able to BEGIN to absorb it. As humans, if something doesn't fit in our self-made belief boxes, we often close our eyes to it and hope it goes away, no matter how many facts are involved.
 
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PRAISE THE LORD!!!

Thankyou sunonsnow! That is EXACTLY what is happening. I'm so glad someone understands and is able to see what is happening here.

I was beginning to think maybe if I typed my posts in jibberish or some other language it might get through haha :)
 
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