Birth Control...thoughts?

Ok so I was doing some thinking this weekend about birth control and such because I was at the doctor and he just offered it to me non-chalantly as if it was nothing. Personally, I don't have the need for it but it got me thinking and wondering about the many different uses of birth control. It can regulate hormones, clear up skin issues and regulate the body in more ways then one. However, it can also cause a woman to miscarry/abort a fetus if the woman does by chance get pregnant on it. So here is the question. What are your thoughts on using birth control? Is it ok to use it if it isn't being used as an actual form or birth control? No chance of pregnancy because the person using it isn't sexually active. Parents...would you allow your teen to go on birth control if the doctor recommended it? Any other thoughts would be appreciated especially guys.

[Christianrkchk89]

http://christianchat.com/christian-young-adults-forum/6823-okay-ive-decided-write-about-birth-control-pills.html

That doesnt answer all those questions...but I made this yesterday..

[pickles]

My dd is on them but not for birth controll. She does not need the as she chooses to wait. For her it is purely for medical reasons. She suffers a very severe form of pms. Multiple symptoms that keep her ill for up to 3 weeks. It was not an easy choice but for now the right one. Our hope is that drs will find a better way in the future. God bless, pickles

Originally Posted by HollyC

Ok so I was doing some thinking this weekend about birth control and such because I was at the doctor and he just offered it to me non-chalantly as if it was nothing. Personally, I don't have the need for it but it got me thinking and wondering about the many different uses of birth control. It can regulate hormones, clear up skin issues and regulate the body in more ways then one. However, it can also cause a woman to miscarry/abort a fetus if the woman does by chance get pregnant on it. So here is the question. What are your thoughts on using birth control? Is it ok to use it if it isn't being used as an actual form or birth control? No chance of pregnancy because the person using it isn't sexually active. Parents...would you allow your teen to go on birth control if the doctor recommended it? Any other thoughts would be appreciated especially guys.

Yeah, it's not a bad thing at all if used for medical reasons. It does tend to cause clots, so it's not advised for people that smoke a lot. If it's used for birth control, however, it's a terrible thing!

- Topher

I used birth control pills for like three months when i was married and it didnt do squat. I was a nightmare to be around! AND i got pregnant. So i dont find them effective at all. It also increses your chances of getting breast cancer. Especially if it runs in your family, like it does mine. I dont think its worth it. There are so many other forms of birth control that can be used besides pills. Doctors now just kinda give you anything. After i had my daughter, my doctor gave me this patch birth control thingy, and i was like whats that. He's all ohh its fine its effective just put it on your lower back once a week. So i took it home and like not even ten minutes later there was a commerical on t.v. talking about how dangerous this patch is and it had been recalled due to fatalities caused by it. Doctors are wack

In my personal opinion, I think that it's fine. I was on them when I first got married. Then went off because I was very forgetful about taking them and so I got pregnant! I have 2 kids now, and I am talking to my dr. about going back on them. For the time being I do not want anymore kids. I want to go back to work and not be in the baby stages for a while. Plan a family holiday and stuff. (not saying that you can't go on a holiday if you're pregnant) I don't see any moral issues with being on the pill. Some christians might disagree with me. I think that it's a great thing! So don't feel bad if you decide to take them. Your body, your choice.

[Kaitlin]

There is a great in depth research done on hormonal birth control, especially the pill, you can read it and download it for free here http://epm.org/artman2/publish/proli...ll/index.shtml - in a nutshell it says that any hormonal birth control is or can be abortive, not something we as Christians should be responsible for towards God or our unborn children. It's not just your body, your choice. You have a responsibility towards God, and abortion, also one you are not aware of, griefs God. Get to know your body, take your temperature, learn to see the signs of fertility. A great source on this is the book The Art of Natural Family Planning by Kippley. If your reason is heavy pms or something else than actual birth control, your body is telling you that there's something wrong (like for example lack of iron), I recommend you contact a consultant in orthomolecular medicine, preferable a Christian one, get advise on nutrition and supplements. If I had (teen) daughters, I would not allow them to go on birth control. Also not if it is used for other reasons than actual birth control. I would not take it myself either, obviously.

I actually have a christian dr. whom I trust 100% Birth control is NOT like the morning after pill. You are not aborting anything, when you are on the birth control. There is nothing to abort when you are not ovulating. It's your decision to not be on it, or to let any of your daughters be on it. It's your choice! If you feel convicted to not take the pill, then that is your conviction. Some people like natural family planning, some don't. You also have to have a regular cycle, when using that method. God gave me my body for the time being on earth, so it is, my body, my choice. YES, we ALL will have to answer to God one day about the choices that we have made concerning our bodies, but please don't make it sound like if you are on birth control, that you are having an abortion. That is not true.

[iraasuup]

You're also not aborting anything with the morning after pill either. Just wanted to clarify that. I'm not defending anything one way or the other, but I am just correcting you there.

So many people say that Postinor-2 (aka morning after pill) aborts. FAIL!!! Incorrect. I have explained in full detail how it actually works in another thread on this topic in the Young Adults forum.

I think people should do research on things for themselves, rather than just taking for gospel information they find, or even the word of doctors. Especially Christian Doctors. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Christian doctors, but isn't it amazing how many of them give information to patients based on their 'morals' or rather their legalism.

Patients want FACTS, so they can make their own choices. For that very reason, I would rather have doctor who wasn't Christian, at least I know then I'm going to be informed with facts rather then swayed by a moral standpoint (which may leave important facts out).

Anyway, that's all. I'm done with this topic. But like I said, I explained it in the other post. Check it out if you want, if not, that's okay too.

Blessings

[Christianrkchk89]

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

In theory, I don't support birth control at all. It simply doesn't seem Biblical to me. In practice, I am not sure how I would act if 15 years down the road I am married and pregnant with a 7th child or something of the sort. I like big families, but if I turn out to be amazingly fertile, I might be tempted to take birth control.

In any case, the extremely orthodox Jews all agree that the mitvot to be fruitful and multiply is fulfilled after one has 2-3 children, so if I end up having a bountiful amount of children, legally speaking it might not be a sin for me to go on birth control. I'm the better safe than sorry sort though, so I really don't want to test that theory out. If at all possible, I will never take any form of birth control for as long as I live.

[iraasuup]

LOL!! Good luck with that!

[iraasuup]

You wanna provide some scriptures for your belief that it is unbiblical to take birth control?

That's a big call!!

Be fruitful and multiply. Genesis 1:28

As I said, I'm the better safe than sorry sort. So the Rabbis may say that in order to fulfill that mitzvah you need only have 1-3 children(depends on which Rabbi you consult), but I'd rather just be on the safe side of things and cut out the guess work completely.

People talk a big game about not taking birth control because its supposedly a sin, and why would you purposely stop having children when thats your god given ability. What about when your pregnant with child number 8 or 9, Your husbands working three jobs just to support all of you, you have 8 kids under the age of 8, you cant remember the last time you took a shower and you constantly smell like poop and throw up. You have to live in a three bedroom apartment cause you cant afford to get a house big enough for all your kids. If your gonna have 15 kids because thats how god intended it, at least be smart and marry someone rich so your poor children arent growin up in rags, shoes with holes in um and being made fun of in school cause they look a mess.

My mother had a friend named carol. And carol didnt believe in using birth control either, So she has i believe now 10 kids. The doctor kept telling her over and over again, you need to stop having babys your body cant handle it anymore, she wouldnt stop, she refused to prevent getting pregnant. So on and on she would get pregnant and about two of those baby's fell out in the toilet dead. The other three or four i believe were born dead, or still born. I believe its neglagent behavior at a certain point to continue having baby's when one you are unable to care for them and two you have so many flippin kids your starting to name them jessica 1 and jessica 2

[Christianrkchk89]

Some forms of contraception, specifically the intrauterine device (IUD), Norplant, and certain low-dose oral contraceptives, often do not prevent conception but prevent implantation of an already fertilized ovum. The result is an early abortion, the killing of an already conceived individual. Tragically, many women are not told this by their physicians, and therefore do not make an informed choice about which contraceptive to use." [1]

[1] Randy Alcorn, Prolife Answers to ProChoice Arguments (Multnomah Publishers: Sisters, OR: 1992, 1994) 118.


Of the half dozen birth control pill package inserts I've read, only one included the information about the Pill's abortive mechanism. This was a package insert dated July 12, 1994, found in the oral contraceptive Demulen, manufactured by Searle. Yet this abortive mechanism was referred to in all cases in the FDA-required manufacturer's Professional Labeling, as documented in The Physician's Desk Reference.
In summary, according to multiple references throughout The Physician's Desk Reference, which articulate the research findings of all the birth control pill manufacturers, there are not one but three mechanisms of birth control pills:
1. inhibiting ovulation (the primary mechanism),
2. thickening the cervical mucus, thereby making it more difficult for sperm to travel to the egg, and
3. thinning and shriveling the lining of the uterus to the point that it is unable or less able to facilitate the implantation of the newly fertilized egg.
The first two mechanisms are contraceptive. The third is abortive.
When a woman taking the Pill discovers she is pregnant (according to The Physician's Desk Reference's efficacy rate tables, this is 3 percent of pill-takers each year), it means that all three of these mechanisms have failed. The third mechanism sometimes fails in its role as backup, just as the first and second mechanisms sometimes fail. Each and every time the third mechanism succeeds, however, it causes an abortion.

This was all contrived from this website... http://www.epm.org/artman2/publish/p...bortions.shtml

You don't have to believe this info...but this is the third place I've found this information so far...

[iraasuup]

Originally Posted by lil-rush

Be fruitful and multiply. Genesis 1:28

As I said, I'm the better safe than sorry sort. So the Rabbis may say that in order to fulfill that mitzvah you need only have 1-3 children(depends on which Rabbi you consult), but I'd rather just be on the safe side of things and cut out the guess work completely.

Okay, well first off I knew you'd quote that scripture. Let's think about it for a minute. Sure God commanded them to go multiply, but, oh wait THERE WERE ONLY 2 PEOPLE on the planet.

I'm not saying that scripture doesn't apply today, but I am saying todays world and the pressures of it ARE ENTIRELY different. People always throw that scripture out there to justify their legalistic view on promoting the view of the use of contracpetion being some wicked abominable sin. Like I said earlier, more people need to do some actual research, before they go quoting such loose attempts at knowledge.

I also find it amusing that so many unmarried people have an opinion on this matter, when they have more than likely never had to experience it for themselves. I would love to see how many self-confessed 'birth-control is evil' preachers, get married then change their views.


Secondly, I'm not jewish. I don't have to fulfil the mitzvah. I live under a grace not a law!

Originally Posted by iraasuup

Okay, well first off I knew you'd quote that scripture. Let's think about it for a minute. Sure God commanded them to go multiply, but, oh wait THERE WERE ONLY 2 PEOPLE on the planet.

I'm not saying that scripture doesn't apply today, but I am saying todays world and the pressures of it ARE ENTIRELY different. People always throw that scripture out there to justify their legalistic view on promoting the view of the use of contracpetion being some wicked abominable sin. Like I said earlier, more people need to do some actual research, before they go quoting such loose attempts at knowledge.

I also find it amusing that so many unmarried people have an opinion on this matter, when they have more than likely never had to experience it for themselves. I would love to see how many self-confessed 'birth-control is evil' preachers, get married then change their views.


Secondly, I'm not jewish. I don't have to fulfil the mitzvah. I live under a grace not a law!

As I said, in theory I don't support birth control, but in reality I haven't had to deal with a situation where I might need birth control, so for right now I will rest easy on my theories. When reality comes knocking we'll see how well my theory holds up.

I'm not Jewish either. I do try to follow the mitzvot though, since I believe we are still supposed to follow them.

[Kaitlin]

Originally Posted by Christianrkchk89

This was all contrived from this website... http://www.epm.org/artman2/publish/p...bortions.shtml

You don't have to believe this info...but this is the third place I've found this information so far...

We checked with the Dutch company making the pill and they confirmed these three functions. Whether you believe it or not, the pill can be abortive. It is not always, but it has the potential to be so. And because we know that women can get pregnant while on the pill, we can also know that women can unknowingly have an abortion while on the pill. This goes for all hormonal birth controls.

[iraasuup]

A dutch company??

Um, well most of the ones that are available in Australia, are actually manufactured in Australia, in my state actually. I know the ingredients in them, and have been subjected to many training sessions on how they work/what they do.

How do I know all this, I worked in pharmacy, was my job to KNOW these things, and provide adequate information to the consumer. We don't import medications from overseas as a general rule, and especially not 'contraceptives'.