Legal Christian Alternatives to ObamaCare Exist

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AgeofKnowledge

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With just weeks left to sign up for insurance on HealthCare.gov, a growing number of people are opting to enroll in a Christian alternative to traditional health insurance.

Nationwide networks of fellow believers help share each other's major medical bills through what's known as health care sharing ministries.

"It works just like insurance. I have an insurance card. I show it just like anyone else would. I have a deductible. I have a monthly premium that I pay," explained Eileen Wade, who joined the health care sharing ministry, Medi-Share, in 2011.

The nation's three largest ministries boast more than 242,000 members, spanning all 50 states, who agree to live so-called biblical lifestyles -- meaning regular church attendance; no drugs, tobacco, or sex outside of marriage; and limited alcohol consumption.

This kind of healthier lifestyle helps keep monthly premiums lower than that of other health insurers for most members.
"There's definitely an economic benefit, a windfall if you would, by living healthier lives," said Medi-Share's CEO, Tony Meggs.

Each of the ministries varies a bit in what they will and won't cover, but all are exempt from the Affordable Care Act's fines on those without health insurance.

Under the plans, families or individuals generally are responsible for regular medical costs -- like annual check-ups. And bills for unexpected illnesses or accidents are eligible for "sharing" by the group.

Critics, though, say because the ministries aren't technically insurance providers, they're not legally obligated to pay any of the medical bills that are submitted.

They also don't come with the same kind of protections and promises that come with traditional health insurance, according to Ron Pollack, who is the executive director of Families USA, a health care consumer advocacy group.

"If you know you're not going to get sick, if you know you're not going to have an accident, this could work out very well. The problem is none of us can guarantee that, and we want insurance that really insures," Pollack said.

Each of the ministries is very upfront that there are no guarantees of payment for medical bills, but Meggs said those concerns are exaggerated, and that in 21 years Medi-Share has only had a handful of complaints related to coverage.
The programs are only getting more popular.

Since the launch of HealthCare.gov on Oct. 1, membership at each of the ministries has exploded, with nearly 30,000 new enrollees -- more than the number of people who selected a plan through ObamaCare in 24 states.

In addition to the exemption from ObamaCare, Meggs said a big draw for members is the ministries' health plans don't cover many of the more controversial procedures that are covered under the Affordable Care Act, such as abortion.

"Some of the qualifying plans in the Affordable Care Act are going to violate their conscience with some of the services that are mandated that the insurance plans cover. I think they're going to be looking at health care sharing ministries as an alternative," Meggs told FoxNews.com.

Christian alternative to ObamaCare growing fast as deadline nears | Fox News
 

Nautilus

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yes because the only thing worse than obamacare, is a program that forces you into a particular lifestyle to get insurance
 

Elizabeth619

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yes because the only thing worse than obamacare, is a program that forces you into a particular lifestyle to get insurance
what company forces anyone into a particular lifestyle? Just because a company is religious based dosnt mean they would force you into that religion.

And the fact that me and my son both lost our insurance this is something that I am interested in.
 

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Yeah, and if you have a doctrinal disagreement with the church, or some other trouble with them, they won't cover it - my husband read about some cases of that.

And I agree that it's ridiculous that you have to live a certain way to get it.
 

Elizabeth619

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Yeah, and if you have a doctrinal disagreement with the church, or some other trouble with them, they won't cover it - my husband read about some cases of that.

And I agree that it's ridiculous that you have to live a certain way to get it.
what? live according to the bible? thats a bad thing?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Liberals aren't really for liberty. They support an authoritarian mandate (e.g. Obamacare) but then turn around and gripe because religious organizations find a way to free themselves from the authoritarian mandate in a way that's better for them. It's oxymoronical.

How about everyone gets to decide for themselves what health coverage they'll have, if any, like it was since 1776 and if local government decides to create social programs for the poor: they can.

I'm not a fan of sweeping federal authoritarianism. That's the domain of modern "progressive" "liberals" lol.


what company forces anyone into a particular lifestyle? Just because a company is religious based dosnt mean they would force you into that religion.

And the fact that me and my son both lost our insurance this is something that I am interested in.
 
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It sounds like the reason why it's exempt from finds, is because it an eligible replacement for insurance under the Act.

We have Insurance companies run by Christian organisations in Australia. There are different structures like 'Mutual Funds' as opposed to corporate ones.

This sounds like the latter.

In fact it sounds like you know support the law (Affordable Care Act) by recommending a compliant option. Good to see you on board!

We have medicare, and private funds here. Private funds are not allowed to exclude people here.

But Conservatives are working hard to dismantle it so that the poor cannot afford cover. Hopefully they won't succeed.
 
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It's difficult to criticize the Australian health care system overall as Aussies have the third highest life expectancy in the world, one of the lowest chronic disease rates, and rank very high for healthcare in international rankings.

They are taxed quite a bit for this; however, and private rates have risen due to inabilities to control provider costs. Still, I like the two-tier system and the freedom to choose one's own doctor and the overall health of Australia's citizens speaks well for what they are doing.



It sounds like the reason why it's exempt from finds, is because it an eligible replacement for insurance under the Act.

We have Insurance companies run by Christian organisations in Australia. There are different structures like 'Mutual Funds' as opposed to corporate ones.

This sounds like the latter.

In fact it sounds like you know support the law (Affordable Care Act) by recommending a compliant option. Good to see you on board!

We have medicare, and private funds here. Private funds are not allowed to exclude people here.

But Conservatives are working hard to dismantle it so that the poor cannot afford cover. Hopefully they won't succeed.
 

Elizabeth619

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It sounds like the reason why it's exempt from finds, is because it an eligible replacement for insurance under the Act.

We have Insurance companies run by Christian organisations in Australia. There are different structures like 'Mutual Funds' as opposed to corporate ones.

This sounds like the latter.

In fact it sounds like you know support the law (Affordable Care Act) by recommending a compliant option. Good to see you on board!

We have medicare, and private funds here. Private funds are not allowed to exclude people here.

But Conservatives are working hard to dismantle it so that the poor cannot afford cover. Hopefully they won't succeed.
The problem is "Obamacare" is turning out to not be what we expected.
My own doctor who happened to be a huge Obama supporter is now afraid she wont have a job because of the new healthcare. Something is wrong here.
Sure, with a new law you are going to have kinks, but many things that are happening are insane.

One factor is that the USA charges more for medical expenses(treatments, medication, ect) than any other country. From my understanding doctors are paid more here than anywhere else. Since we are required to have insurance now companies can charge ungodly amounts and we cant do anything about it. So as much as it hurts me to to not blame Obama, alot of the unaffordable health coverage isnt his fault. None of it is. It is the insurance companies. He tried to fix it but it backfired on many people.
 

Elizabeth619

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Honestly, if the system worked I wouldnt gripe, but it no working like they said it would. :(
 

Nautilus

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what? live according to the bible? thats a bad thing?
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The nation's three largest ministries boast more than 242,000 members, spanning all 50 states, who agree to live so-called biblical lifestyles -- meaning regular church attendance; no drugs, tobacco, or sex outside of marriage; and limited alcohol consumption.


Yeah the last thing i need is my 'insurance' carrier checking up on my alcohol and tobacco intake or church attendance before deciding if I qualify...
 

Elizabeth619

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Yeah the last thing i need is my 'insurance' carrier checking up on my alcohol and tobacco intake or church attendance before deciding if I qualify...[/COLOR]
Then don't ever apply for life insurance. They can deny claims to smokers and drinkers.
 

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I'm not sold on either one. Depending on how much I make at my next job I'll see what sort of plan I sign up for or if I just choose the extra fee it tacks on to those who don't get health care.