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John 8: 7 They continued to question him, so he stood up and replied, “Whoever hasn’t sinned should throw the first stone.”
 

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John 8: 7 They continued to question him, so he stood up and replied, “Whoever hasn’t sinned should throw the first stone.”

Funny how people like you NEVER report what Jesus says to the adulterous woman in the passage you cited.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


GO AND SIN NO MORE!
 
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Wow, there is something here taken out way of context, and first I ask the Lord Jesus to rebuke you Satan, I am not speaking to anybody here, but to the real problem and the very center of this problem. First off, we Christians are to blame for attacks and advances of the homo lobby. If we would pray, and vote the people in office that would be against these laws, then laws could be over turned and real battles could be fought, battles that are being fought that take the souls of people to hell, and move out of our safety zones or comfort zones and take the battle to them, go to jail, be fined, sued or whatever, but stand up for God's Word, what do we really believe, is there a God and if so where is He? Who is stronger, he who is in this world or He that is in us? Wait a minute brother Osiyo you say, that is not what we believe, but that is what Gods Word states. Step up to Satan toe to toe and using Gods Word rebuke him, what, are they going to do kill you? Does He also not say don't worry about the one who can kill your body but about the one who can kill your soul? Awesome thought, come people we are Gods children and we are sleeping and people are going to hell, who's winning this war? Be blessed and why not? Fight, go to battle and learn the real power of the living God. WE act as if we are having a picnic, so what I am trying to say is this, don't argue we the homosexual lobby, in love and that is the problem (we take it personally) it is not our battle, it's His.
 
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I'm sorry, but you're not very bright are you?

Homosexuals weren't angry at the CEO because he was a Christian, they were angry because the CEO donated money to an organization that tried to limit their rights.

So no, homosexuals are not bigoted against Christians, they are rightly fighting against those who wish to strip away their rights.

Please, don't create strawman arguments. Homosexuality is a sin? Fine. But don't further sin yourself by telling lies about homosexuals.

Homosexuals are against those who wish to take away their rights - not Christians. If a Christian happens to be targeted by homosexuals, it's because that Christian wants to take away their rights.
 

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I'm sorry, but you're not very bright are you?

Homosexuals weren't angry at the CEO because he was a Christian, they were angry because the CEO donated money to an organization that tried to limit their rights.

So no, homosexuals are not bigoted against Christians, they are rightly fighting against those who wish to strip away their rights.

Please, don't create strawman arguments. Homosexuality is a sin? Fine. But don't further sin yourself by telling lies about homosexuals.

Homosexuals are against those who wish to take away their rights - not Christians. If a Christian happens to be targeted by homosexuals, it's because that Christian wants to take away their rights.

What "right" are you talking about? In all of human history those that engage in homosexual sex acts have NEVER been recognized as having a "right" to marry. Further, will you be trumpeting Polygamists right to marry, as well as pedophiles right to marry as well? Both of those groups HAVE had the right to marry in human history. If not you are nothing but a hypocrite who wants to foist his own morality on others. But have no fear. The evil that you perpetrate, and the persecution against those who refuse to bow to these types of perversions will only increase, and your side will win in the short term. Fortunately, true Christians know how it all ends and I'd strongly urge you to repent of this wickedness.
 
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What "right" are you talking about? In all of human history those that engage in homosexual sex acts have NEVER been recognized as having a "right" to marry. Further, will you be trumpeting Polygamists right to marry, as well as pedophiles right to marry as well? Both of those groups HAVE had the right to marry in human history. If not you are nothing but a hypocrite who wants to foist his own morality on others. But have no fear. The evil that you perpetrate, and the persecution against those who refuse to bow to these types of perversions will only increase, and your side will win in the short term. Fortunately, true Christians know how it all ends and I'd strongly urge you to repent of this wickedness.
Pedophilia is wrong because children are too naive to understand sex and romantic relationships.

Honestly, if people want to have multiple spouses, I have no problem with that. It's their life - as long as everyone in the relationship consent to the terms of their marriage.

The same goes for homosexual marriage. As long as both parties consent and are adults, I have no problem with them getting married.

If it's a sin, then they'll have to be the ones to answer to God.

Both of those groups HAVE had the right to marry in human history. If not you are nothing but a hypocrite who wants to foist his own morality on others.
There's a difference between allowing and forcing. You can allow homosexuals to get married (it's their choice), or you can force them not to get married - regardless of what they want. I'm not forcing my morality on anyone.

Christians should remain outspoken. They should speak out against homosexuality, if they believe it's wrong, but they shouldn't force their morality on others.

It's okay to allow people to choose their own morals as long as their morals don't harm or infringe on other people's lives or property. This is called the non-coercion principle.

Christians who believe homosexuality is wrong should support homosexual rights. Why? Because you can't force people to follow God's will. It's something that must be allowed. If people don't want to abide by God's will, then they should be free not to abide. They have to answer for their sins, right?

If you're anti-homosexual, and you don't want to associate yourself with homosexuals. That's you're right. And I'll agree with you that when people are forced by the government or through coercion to associate with those they dislike, then I'll support YOUR side of the case. Should business owners be allowed to refuse service to homosexuals? It's their business, of course they should! And the opposite remains true as well. I would support people' rights to refuse service to anti-homosexuals as well.

I support freedom. If homosexuality is a sin, don't you worry about it - leave it to God. Don't intervene unless someone is involuntarily getting dragged in. If two adult males have sex, stay out. If an adult male rapes another person, get involved (regardless as to whether it was gay rape or straight rape).
 

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Percepti, I think the problem is not that homosexuals have a right to freedom of choice, the problem is that they are foisting their values onto the rest of us.
 

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Pedophilia is wrong because children are too naive to understand sex and romantic relationships.

Honestly, if people want to have multiple spouses, I have no problem with that. It's their life - as long as everyone in the relationship consent to the terms of their marriage.

The same goes for homosexual marriage. As long as both parties consent and are adults, I have no problem with them getting married.

If it's a sin, then they'll have to be the ones to answer to God.



There's a difference between allowing and forcing. You can allow homosexuals to get married (it's their choice), or you can force them not to get married - regardless of what they want. I'm not forcing my morality on anyone.

Christians should remain outspoken. They should speak out against homosexuality, if they believe it's wrong, but they shouldn't force their morality on others.

It's okay to allow people to choose their own morals as long as their morals don't harm or infringe on other people's lives or property. This is called the non-coercion principle.

Christians who believe homosexuality is wrong should support homosexual rights. Why? Because you can't force people to follow God's will. It's something that must be allowed. If people don't want to abide by God's will, then they should be free not to abide. They have to answer for their sins, right?

If you're anti-homosexual, and you don't want to associate yourself with homosexuals. That's you're right. And I'll agree with you that when people are forced by the government or through coercion to associate with those they dislike, then I'll support YOUR side of the case. Should business owners be allowed to refuse service to homosexuals? It's their business, of course they should! And the opposite remains true as well. I would support people' rights to refuse service to anti-homosexuals as well.

I support freedom. If homosexuality is a sin, don't you worry about it - leave it to God. Don't intervene unless someone is involuntarily getting dragged in. If two adult males have sex, stay out. If an adult male rapes another person, get involved (regardless as to whether it was gay rape or straight rape).
Homosexuals have always had the right to marry. Anyone they choose of the opposite sex. Who is against that? The very core of the definition of marriage is a man and a woman. I defy you to show me where in human history 2 men were allowed to marry or 2 women. I agree that if people engage in this behavior, in the privacy of their own home, that is their choice, but the rest of us, and the gov. should not have to recognize these acts, and certify them through marriage.

This thread is about the intolerance, bigotry, hatred, and persecution of those that hold the Biblical, human historical, and natural position that marriage is reserved for male female unions, resulting in this case with bullying to the point that the CEO who holds those beliefs was FORCED to resign.
 
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[video=youtube_share;aJPbuQMEXhc]http://youtu.be/aJPbuQMEXhc[/video]
 
Feb 16, 2014
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The problem with the posted video is that the CEO lost his job because the company was being boycotted. The government didn't get involved. So, really, this isn't a free-speech issue.

If you say something other people don't like, they have every right to stop using your product. That's precisely what happened with Mozilla. Everyone said, "you have the right to fund anti-gay campaigns, as much as we have every right to stop using your product until the person funding that money leaves."

Let's reverse the roles. What would you say if the CEO donated money to organizations fighting for gay rights? What if Christians decided to stop using Mozilla until that CEO resigned? Would you still cry foul? Even if I disagreed with those Christians, I would say they were perfectly within their right to boycott the company.

What bothers me isn't the fact everyone is against the decision everyone made to boycott Mozilla, it's the fact that everyone falsely believes rights have been violated here. They haven't.

If you show me a story where Christians boycotted a company that funded gay rights organizations, and other people said the Christians were violated the company's freedom of speech, then I'll side with the Christians and defend them in regards that they aren't violating anyone's rights.
 
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I do not have a issue with gay people I actually like them. This was his personal belief that never should have been leaked. He was not calling everyone the F word he just donated to the campaign against gay marriage. People can not hate us all, over 50% said no to that though and even obama was not for gay marriage until recently. I will still use firefox but won't be proud to do so anymore. I will eat more chick fil A to counter balance this mess. lol
 
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This is not a direct government free-speech issue in that the government didn't directly force his resignation. That's true. But, the government indirectly helped bring about the culture in which that happened over time.

If you view the video I posted, you'll also see that their is a much bigger picture beyond people deciding not to buy from a company whose CEO does not represent their values and beliefs.

That picture involves "liberals" and homosexuals insisting that when a person starts a small business they must leave behind their constitutionally protected freedom of religion and speech.

That they can be severely persecuted in a tyrannous manner by government on behalf of "liberals" and homosexuals to the point of imprisonment and bankruptcy that extends also to their wife and children (and a lifetime of abject poverty as those civil rights fines do not wash in bankruptcy court) for refusing to facilitate events and activities that are historically and normatively immoral and violate the business owners moral conscience (note that a free moral conscience is a human right under a natural law) and their religious convictions toward a historical normative morality (something the founders sought to protect in the Bill of Rights) would mean that blatant tyranny has developed in the United States like existed in the state atheistic Soviet Union.

Obviously, this is blatant tyranny is something our government was structured to prevent not enable.


The problem with the posted video is that the CEO lost his job because the company was being boycotted. The government didn't get involved. So, really, this isn't a free-speech issue.

If you say something other people don't like, they have every right to stop using your product. That's precisely what happened with Mozilla. Everyone said, "you have the right to fund anti-gay campaigns, as much as we have every right to stop using your product until the person funding that money leaves."

Let's reverse the roles. What would you say if the CEO donated money to organizations fighting for gay rights? What if Christians decided to stop using Mozilla until that CEO resigned? Would you still cry foul? Even if I disagreed with those Christians, I would say they were perfectly within their right to boycott the company.

What bothers me isn't the fact everyone is against the decision everyone made to boycott Mozilla, it's the fact that everyone falsely believes rights have been violated here. They haven't.

If you show me a story where Christians boycotted a company that funded gay rights organizations, and other people said the Christians were violated the company's freedom of speech, then I'll side with the Christians and defend them in regards that they aren't violating anyone's rights.
 
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Really Percepi? Is that what's wrong about pedophilia? That a kid can not understand "sexual and romantic relationship"? How about pedophilia is wrong because the attraction that a man has for a kid is a sick attraction?
 
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Pedophilia is wrong because children are too naive to understand sex and romantic relationships.

So the problem lies with the kids? Interesting point of view :rolleyes:
 

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People still use Mozilla? How pedestrian.
 
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This is not a direct government free-speech issue in that the government didn't directly force his resignation. That's true. But, the government indirectly helped bring about the culture in which that happened over time.
By allowing free-speech? Woops.

That picture involves "liberals" and homosexuals insisting that when a person starts a small business they must leave behind their constitutionally protected freedom of religion and speech.
But this isn't a free-speech issue. Nobody had their rights violated.

That they can be severely persecuted in a tyrannous manner by government on behalf of "liberals" and homosexuals to the point of imprisonment and bankruptcy that extends also to their wife and children
But this has nothing to do with the current situation with the CEO.

If you're referring to cases such as the baker who lost his job for refusing service to homosexuals, it wasn't the gay agenda that did him through. He had his business shut down due to a state law forbidding any form of discrimination of service. I'll agree with you that these laws shouldn't exist - because people should be allowed to serve whomever they want. But you need to understand two things. 1. This has nothing to do with the CEO losing his job. 2. This has to do with a state law that's enforcing a pre-existing law that wasn't created to solely protect homosexuals.

Really Percepi? Is that what's wrong about pedophilia? That a kid can not understand "sexual and romantic relationship"? How about pedophilia is wrong because the attraction that a man has for a kid is a sick attraction?
Because that wouldn't be a sufficient answer. Saying, "it's wrong because it's wrong" gets us nowhere. Yes, a man having sexual feelings for a child is a sick attraction - but why is it a sick attraction? I did what I could to answer that question.

The problem is, you can just as easily argue that heterosexuality is a sick attraction, as much as homosexuality. Saying something is a sick attraction fails to offer an actual explanation. You might as well argue, "I think it's icky, therefore it's icky."

So the problem lies with the kids? Interesting point of view
I never said the problem lies with the kids. I said the reason lies with the kids. The problem are people violating children. It's absolutely disgusting you tried to turn this around to make it look like I was victim blaming. I clearly wasn't.

When someone says, "Children aren't mature enough to have consensual sex", do you also treat them as if they're blaming the children? Your integrity is non-existent.
 
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I don't feel like repeating myself so I'll simply redirect you back to my previous post with respect to the CEO and the wider talking points it has generated.

As for this quote of yours, you couldn't be more wrong. It certainly was the homosexual agenda that is doing him in (he's not "done in" yet because the U.S. Supreme Court will most likely overturn the 9th Circuit Court's decision which deprived the baker of his human rights and religious liberties and sought to severely persecute him with imprisonment, bankruptcy, and a life of abject poverty for both him and his family).

In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court is constantly reversing very bad rulings made in the uber-liberal 9th Circuit. In the 2009 term, for example, 15 of the 16 judgments handed down by the 9th Circuit were overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court... almost every single one of them.

And you have some confusion about this issue for it was never about discriminating against homosexuals but rather an event that violated the baker's moral conscience (a free moral conscience is a human right under natural law) and religious convictions toward morality (something the founders sought to protect in the Bill of Rights). The baker stated emphatically that he would provide ALL his goods and services to ANYONE (including homosexuals) for ANY historically normatively moral purpose whatsoever. He's just not going to facilitate historically normatively immoral activities and events is all.

The homosexuals could have gone to another baker in our free marketplace, baked the cake themselves, or opened a bakery of their own even a homosexual bakery if they so wished.

What they chose to do was seek to use the government to destroy the baker while simultaneously contacting and berating all his vendors (harassment) and threatening to harm him and his family.

“You stupid bible thumping, hypocritical b***h. I hope your kids get really, really, sick and you go out of business,” one e-mail says.

“Here’s hoping you go out of business, you bigot. Enjoy hell,” said another.

Some said Aaron should be shot for not making the cake, while one called for him to be raped.

"Some have even wished for the couple’s five children to be stricken with illness," their lawyer added.

In addition to the threatening rhetoric of people who align with you, the baker's vendors were “badgered and harassed” into not doing business with them.

I align with the baker. Americans should not be imprisoned and bankrupted (e.g. severely persecuted by the judicial-prison system) for refusing to facilitate immoral behaviors such as homosexuality, pedophilia, bestiality, etc... when those engaging in such behaviors order them to facilitate these behaviors. I also don't think that knife show owners should be forced to sell knives to people, or go into prison and bankruptcy, who state they are buying them to commit violent acts with even when the victim is consenting as part of an S/M behavior.

And I'm speaking of morality in its normative sense not the relativistic construct you were taught in the failing liberal controlled public education system. In it's normative sense, "morality" refers to whatever is actually right or wrong independent of the values or mores held by any particular peoples or cultures. Normative immorality has been clearly defined in Western normative ethics for a long time.

But you're apparently fine with locking up every genuine Christian in prison with murders and rapists, making them a life-long felon, bankrupting them and their families, etc... because they won't violate their free moral conscience (a human right under natural law) and surrender their religious convictions toward a historical normative morality (something the Bill of Rights was designed to prevent) and bow their knee to Baal and support events that are normatively immoral.

That places you in alignment with the devil against them and guilty of tyrannical oppression of moral everyday Christians.

The fact that you'd use the government to destroy them over a cake, an order of flowers, or a batch of photographs highlights how evil your position really is.


If you're referring to cases such as the baker who lost his job for refusing service to homosexuals, it wasn't the gay agenda that did him through. He had his business shut down due to a state law forbidding any form of discrimination of service. I'll agree with you that these laws shouldn't exist - because people should be allowed to serve whomever they want. But you need to understand two things. 1. This has nothing to do with the CEO losing his job. 2. This has to do with a state law that's enforcing a pre-existing law that wasn't created to solely protect homosexuals.



Because that wouldn't be a sufficient answer. Saying, "it's wrong because it's wrong" gets us nowhere. Yes, a man having sexual feelings for a child is a sick attraction - but why is it a sick attraction? I did what I could to answer that question.

The problem is, you can just as easily argue that heterosexuality is a sick attraction, as much as homosexuality. Saying something is a sick attraction fails to offer an actual explanation. You might as well argue, "I think it's icky, therefore it's icky."



I never said the problem lies with the kids. I said the reason lies with the kids. The problem are people violating children. It's absolutely disgusting you tried to turn this around to make it look like I was victim blaming. I clearly wasn't.

When someone says, "Children aren't mature enough to have consensual sex", do you also treat them as if they're blaming the children? Your integrity is non-existent.