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lucit

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My cousin is a gay but he is a believer of Christ. Is sin to be a gay? He said he born like that
And some other christian rejected him bec. He is gay. How to deal gay in the church?
 

presidente

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My cousin is a gay but he is a believer of Christ. Is sin to be a gay? He said he born like that
And some other christian rejected him bec. He is gay. How to deal gay in the church?
Some people say 'gay' to mean 'same sex attraction'. Others use it to mean people doing homosexual acts, forbidden by the Bible.

Christians don't call themselves 'cussing Christians' if they are struggling with cussing. They don't call themselves 'fornicator Christians' if they are tempted to fornicate. The Bible says to reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive unto God. If this man has a struggle with same sex attraction, he should stop calling himself gay and identifying himself with the sin that tempts him. Instead, he should reckon himself to be dead to sin.
 

cinder

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The best thing you can do right now is just listen to your cousin, try to understand instead of telling him he shouldn't feel a certain way. Very few people will do that for him and it will give him the freedom to process what he is going through. Remember he's confronting something inside him that he's (most likely) been taught to believe is evil, and there are loud voices in the secular world (and some in the church) telling him there's nothing he can do about it.

As far as a position on gay in church, I think in some ways the church loses the battle when they accept people saying they are gay. That takes their desire for something sinful (sex with a member of the same sex) and embraces it as part of their identity. More christians should encourage people to say they struggle with same sex attraction instead of saying they are gay. Other than that churches need to remember that the Bible condemns the action of gay sex as it does any other sex outside of marriage (there are plenty of gay marriage debates, let's not start one here people). Giving into lust is wrong, but I will say mere attraction that a person has no control over is not sinful. It's brokenness but it isn't sinful.

Ultimately what Christians who struggle with homosexual attraction need is hope for change and if God be God he can offer it. There are testimonies out there of people who have successfully come out of a gay lifestyle and there are some organizations who offer therapy for those who want to change. Everything you read about them will be negatively biased because if homosexuality is ever considered not inherent and normal, the gay rights people lose a lot of their political power.
 

blue_ladybug

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My cousin is a gay but he is a believer of Christ. Is sin to be a gay? He said he born like that
And some other christian rejected him bec. He is gay. How to deal gay in the church?
lucit, the bible says that a woman with a woman, or man with a man is wrong. Its against not only human nature, but goes against God's plan as well. If God wanted us to be gay, he would have created Adam and Steve, LOL, not Adam and Eve. :) Or Eve and Elizabeth. Homosexuality is a sin in God's eyes. No one is "born" gay. That is physically impossible. I cant understand what makes a person feel that way about someone, but I do have some gay friends and neighbors as well, and I have no problems with people being gay. I believe that lifestyle is wrong because God says it is, and a man with a man is unnatural. I dont know how people in the church handle something like this, but I do think it would be unfair for them to cast him out like a leper simply because he's gay. God loves him straight or gay, and his devotion to God and church hasnt (or shouldnt) change because of his sexual preference.
 

PennEd

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Some people say 'gay' to mean 'same sex attraction'. Others use it to mean people doing homosexual acts, forbidden by the Bible.

Christians don't call themselves 'cussing Christians' if they are struggling with cussing. They don't call themselves 'fornicator Christians' if they are tempted to fornicate. The Bible says to reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive unto God. If this man has a struggle with same sex attraction, he should stop calling himself gay and identifying himself with the sin that tempts him. Instead, he should reckon himself to be dead to sin.

This is very well said. If the cousin wants to continue in homosexual acts, without repentance, and an admission that the acts are sinful, than he's not a Christian.
 

posthuman

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He said he born like that
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.

- Jesus
(John 3:3)
 

posthuman

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i was born a thief, a liar, a sorcerer, a debaucherer. that man is dead, and a new life is within me, not my life, but the life given by God, His spirit renewing my heart.

no difference with your cousin. the life that is in Christ is a new thing, and continuing in the flesh is death.

there is redemption!
 

damombomb

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I would do some serious interceding for him.
 
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Mark 10…8AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9"What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." In the same way, when man tries to unite what God does not mean to be united, it is against God, especially when it is sexually. If your cousin is saying that God created his mind in an unnatural way, then he needs to do everything in his power to heal.

Then it becomes a matter of what to do about sin. Christ is sent so we have forgiveness, but we can't ask forgiveness for a sin that we intend to repeat over and over. Repentance goes with asking forgiveness.

In 1 Corinthians 5 we are told what to do about people who live in immorality in our sanctified church. Church is a place to go to be with people set apart for the worship of God, we are told not to include those who are immoral. We are to love them, tell them of the Lord, help them. But our church is to stay sanctified. It is no longer set apart for God if a member is included who is living immorally.
 
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lucit

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Hi thanks for the reply that's really help...I am a filipina..I and my cousin go together in the church before but when I
I come in the Uk God directed my path, I now live in the house of our church serving god & try to learn more of his word.
One night I dream about a prayer & worship group. For some reason i did not do it for our church bec. We dont have so
Much people who like to join. I ask my mum who is catholic to start a prayer & worship group in the Philippines and thanks
God they do it. My cousin who is the gay is the one who involved & help because we have feeding once a month
And the children who involved are grow in numbers. Me & my cousin speak in Facebook. Sometimes early morning
When I open my Facebook I can see my homepage that there is a photo of gay kissing bec. He click likes on it so
I can see it as he is in my friedlist so I can see what he doing. I like to tell him about what he doing is wrong but I did
Do it bec. I don't want him to be upset. As our church involve what I am doing there in the Philippines we continue the
Prayer & worship group in the Philippines but I am struggling how to deal my cousin. He like boys & I worry if it is good
That there is a gay in a group, I can't tell my cousin about what he doing is wrong bec. My uncle is a gay who raise me
But my cousin and my uncle is very different. My uncle is afraid to my mum before so he can't play boys around and my
UncIe is old now. I just dont know What to do? I don't want my cousin feel that he become rejected bec. He is gay. I don't
Know how to start to telling him that what he desire is wrong. Sorry to my English hope you understand me.
 
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MarkMulder

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My cousin is a gay but he is a believer of Christ. Is sin to be a gay? He said he born like that
And some other christian rejected him bec. He is gay. How to deal gay in the church?
There are probably one or two threads on the subject you could have looked at first. :rolleyes:
 
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Jda016

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Ultimately if one wishes to seek Christ, then that person must deny themselves, pick up their cross, and follow Christ.

no one can serve two masters. You can not have an openly gay lifestyle and still profess Christ as your Lord.

This is an extremely difficult thing to fight, however if we love Christ more than ourselves, then we will deny ourselves. Christ says, "if you love me, obey my commandments" (John 14:15).

One must make a choice. He can either choose God or choose the homosexual lifestyle, but he can not have both. Christ did not die for us and suffer the punishment for our sins so that we could continue to live in sin.

We must love Jesus above all else.
 
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My cousin is a gay but he is a believer of Christ. Is sin to be a gay? He said he born like that
And some other christian rejected him bec. He is gay. How to deal gay in the church?
How about talking to someone who has been there? I have been there myself. (I myself am intersexed and dealing with trans issues) Half the battle is ALREADY WON. He has already has been convicted of being a SINNER in need of a savior. But he has NOT YET been CONVICTED of this sin. He is at no different at this point in his walk the Lord then most people who are now at the moment sinning BUT do not yet realize that what they are doing is a sin. Pray for him that the Lord brings conviction to your cousins heart. Unless that happens no amount of throwing Bible verses in his face is going to work.

People are often FAR MORE PATIENT with drug and alcohol abusers,knowing MOST will NOT get free of those things overnight. And often drug and alcohol abuse is VERY VERY COMMON with those dealing with LGBT issues. Often the Lord will deal with the drug and alcohol abuse FIRST because they are not of SOBER MIND. (This does not mean your cousin is dealing those things,but many many do)

More often then not the biggest reason why people get involved with homosexuality is because of same sex sexual abuse. Lesbians have often been sexually abused. It is VERY VERY common with those dealing with the LGBT issues. It does NOT mean all are. So there MAY BE other issues involved with it too.

Often there are many layers in which the Lord peels the layers back,and sometimes what's at the ROOT of the problem may very well be a hurting and broken spirit which needs healing,in which once that is done often some are freed from it because the root cause is dealt with.

Please be patient with your cousin and show him the Lord and compassion that the Lord showed and that will have a greater affect on him then any thing else you can do.