Marriage

[RickyZ]

And because of this ‘common’ prerequisite, it was out of question that Jesus gets married.

In fact, and since I live as Jesus did (but without making miracles of course), also it was out of question for me to get married. For instance, it happens that I never felt the need to have sexual relationship with any person, so I am glad that God let me born in Syria where a man can live like Jesus Christ without being seen or called... you know

).

I just came here from the link you posted elsewhere, and while I don't quite get your marriage ideas (I mean I get it but not sure I totally agree) I'll sidetrack on this:

Why are you not performing miracles, if you live like Jesus did?

 

[Osiyo]

What you been smoking Kerim? Please forgive, but this just doesn't sit right for some reason? But know this: Be blessed and have a super day this day. And why not? The discussion does not edify, the body nor the church, Paul stated clearly that this line of talk is of no value, it leads to nowhere in importance, but Christ died for you also, He had your name on His lips as He said "It is finished", to His glory and honor to His name be all the glory and honor due to Him, for it is through His blood that we have be transformed to "priests". Amen

 

[Kerim]

I just came here from the link you posted elsewhere, and while I don't quite get your marriage ideas (I mean I get it but not sure I totally agree) I'll sidetrack on this:

Why are you not performing miracles, if you live like Jesus did?

Your question is good indeed. There are many reasons:
(1)
It happens that I live like Jesus did because it suits the nature I am created of.
My priorities in life is to live without fear of any sort and be free and independent so that I can live the unconditional love and care towards all others (why?... This will be explored on the thread "Is death really a mystery?"

).
(2)
I am saved by Jesus by helping me get logically all what I liked to know about myself, the world as it is and the end purpose of 'my' life (and of other humans who are created differently

). But as no man (other than Jesus and myself) helped me in this respect, I believe my situation applies on every other individual since we, in general, are all created with a wonderful brain (some of you may have better one than mine

) and Jesus sayings are also available to all.
(3)
Jesus didn't make miracles for me to believe what he says (He already knew I am looking for knowledge only and I am not impressed by miracles). But they were needed to spread his message among men whose souls were just evolved to start perceiving the Unconditional Love of God in God's final updated image (the One Will and Power of the Father and Jesus unified by the Holy Spirit) and towards all creatures (Matthew 5:45).

Even in science, I share what I know when I am asked only and sometimes where people are supposed to share their experiences and knowledge, likely to pass their time when they don't have other activities.

 

[Kerim]

What you been smoking Kerim? Please forgive, but this just doesn't sit right for some reason? But know this: Be blessed and have a super day this day. And why not? The discussion does not edify, the body nor the church, Paul stated clearly that this line of talk is of no value, it leads to nowhere in importance, but Christ died for you also, He had your name on His lips as He said "It is finished", to His glory and honor to His name be all the glory and honor due to Him, for it is through His blood that we have be transformed to "priests". Amen

This is life, I guess.

When we hear something we are not familiar with yet, one’s first reaction will likely be like yours here.

And you are right. The fact I presented about the formal marriage doesn't edify, the body nor any formal church.
I even add... It doesn't edifies any of the many religions and beliefs in all around the world as well.

In fact, if the law of the formal marriage (that needs a third party) is removed from ANY widespread religion (or political system where there is no approved religion), this religion or system will soon cease to exist.


I am afraid that what I said on this thread is related to the human soul and Spirit only. Therefore Jesus used saying "Whoever has ears will hear" since Jesus message is not addressed to our bodies but our souls instead.

And don't worry, the majority of couples in the world have no problem at all to get married via the United Nations hence not just via a third person representing the law of their community only.

 

[tourist]

It seems you didn't read yet that this common prerequisite is for 'good' or 'legal' marriage in ANY community... no matter what its religion, belief or culture is.

By the way, because of this prerequisite, it was out of question (impossible) for Jesus to get married
And the same happened to me

Please note, it is not about a physical matter related to the bodies of the couple.

Truth be said, I didn't expect that no one can give the simple answer while ALL DO know it.

I do not know anything. Perhaps you can enlighten me to the answer as I am weary of this game of 20 questions.

 

[Kerim]

I do not know anything. Perhaps you can enlighten me to the answer as I am weary of this game of 20 questions.

Who says every game is for every man?

Where is the problem? If you don't like this thread or you are not interested in commenting my answer (post #20) by adding to it what I may have missed, I guess you are free to just drop it and look for another one in this vast wonderful world.

I like to add something. Please forgive me if you didn't hear it before.
When a kid realizes he is not the center of the world, he can be sure he becomes a mature person.

For instance, it took me about 30 years to start seeing the world AS IT IS and 'not as I like it to be'. Naturally, after another 30 years, nothing in the world can surprise me.

 

[tourist]

Who says every game is for every man?

Where is the problem? If you don't like this thread or you are not interested in commenting my answer (post #20) by adding to it what I may have missed, I guess you are free to just drop it and look for another one in this vast wonderful world.

I like to add something. Please forgive me if you didn't hear it before.
When a kid realizes he is not the center of the world, he can be sure he becomes a mature person.

For instance, it took me about 30 years to start seeing the world AS IT IS and 'not as I like it to be'. Naturally, after another 30 years, nothing in the world can surprise me.

Sorry, I didn't get the memo. You never did answer my question. I enjoy playing a good game as well. I am surprised everyday on the awe and majesty of the creation of the Lord. Please forgive me sir, I just thought that I would yank your chain and see what would come of it. Please forgive me as I did not mean to offend you. I am not doing very well in the romance department either at the moment. God Bless You.

 

[Kerim]

Sorry, I didn't get the memo. You never did answer my question. I enjoy playing a good game as well. I am surprised everyday on the awe and majesty of the creation of the Lord. Please forgive me sir, I just thought that I would yank your chain and see what would come of it. Please forgive me as I did not mean to offend you. I am not doing very well in the romance department either at the moment. God Bless You.

To me in the least, you look a great player who knows very well how to let a game be enjoyable... in a way or another.

 

[secularhermit]

Hi, Kerim!

I paid attention on this: "As you see, a real marriage and real friendship are exclusive.

A true friendship unifies two free independent mature persons, spiritually speaking, without the need for any other one in the world to give them any sort of permission about their friendship; no matter how long it may last. Am I wrong?

In the contrary, a true marriage unifies two complementary living fleshes under a certain regulation/law after being approved by a third party, in a way or another."

I wish marriage was exclusive, though I agree with you friendship is inclusive. Marriage brings children + wordly problems. Frienship is another thing, though you are FREE ENOUGH to deal it as if you were married to that person you loyaly decided to love and care that way.

Marriage seems to be demanding and cohersitive (for most of the people I knew) and if any spouses had children, I know who would demand a man feeds her birds.

Frienship is not that way. It obliges no one, though -by love- it might feel compelled.

Regarding loyalty, marriage is legally obliged to honor and respect the bond of such a commitment and also that desirable sexual exclusivity (though THE WORLDLY people are emotionaly and practically unwilling to do it so): That´s why divorce exits and grew!

Friendship is "free". There´s no sexual exclusivity and those who are "normal" enough will not share their icecreams with another, and I was jealous enough no other bird would lay its eggs on my nest.

Third parties, like GOD or any human law using authority served too little to avoid hidden flaws and the breaking of any commitment. You might imagine the many ways humanity have tried to cheat on GOD, though it was against those we may have said ONCE: "I love you."

I´m happy you are set free from that bondage and trouble, brother.

It was just that I wanted to share.

 

[Kerim]

Hi, Kerim!

I paid attention on this: "As you see, a real marriage and real friendship are exclusive.

A true friendship unifies two free independent mature persons, spiritually speaking, without the need for any other one in the world to give them any sort of permission about their friendship; no matter how long it may last. Am I wrong?

In the contrary, a true marriage unifies two complementary living fleshes under a certain regulation/law after being approved by a third party, in a way or another."

I wish marriage was exclusive, though I agree with you friendship is inclusive. Marriage brings children + wordly problems. Frienship is another thing, though you are FREE ENOUGH to deal it as if you were married to that person you loyaly decided to love and care that way.

Marriage seems to be demanding and cohersitive (for most of the people I knew) and if any spouses had children, I know who would demand a man feeds her birds.

Frienship is not that way. It obliges no one, though -by love- it might feel compelled.

Regarding loyalty, marriage is legally obliged to honor and respect the bond of such a commitment and also that desirable sexual exclusivity (though THE WORLDLY people are emotionaly and practically unwilling to do it so): That´s why divorce exits and grew!

Friendship is "free". There´s no sexual exclusivity and those who are "normal" enough will not share their icecreams with another, and I was jealous enough no other bird would lay its eggs on my nest.

Third parties, like GOD or any human law using authority served too little to avoid hidden flaws and the breaking of any commitment. You might imagine the many ways humanity have tried to cheat on GOD, though it was against those we may have said ONCE: "I love you."

I´m happy you are set free from that bondage and trouble, brother.

It was just that I wanted to share.

Thank you for you interesting post.

You remind me an important point I forgot adding earlier.

In a friendship known by the community, just being together and dealing with others as having 'one will' is 'always' a clear sign of the existence of a real mutual trust between the two friends. In such relationship, each of them can leave the other one, anytime he likes.

In a marriage, accepting being together 'could' last for any reason that 'may' have nothing to do with a mutual trust.

Of course, almost all men and women dream to live the perfect marriage (Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh). But since marriage HAS TO be supervised by a certain LAW (civil or religious rules), a feeling of doubt is expected to grow in one side in the least, mainly after a certain time, that the couple's union is no more real. But if a man is fortunate and able providing all the needs of his wife, his wife will let him live in peace.

For instance, I guess you heard:
"What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

I understood it, practically speaking:

"When a law joins together, the same law can put asunder." (marriage)
And
"What God's Love has joined together, let no man put asunder." (friendship)

 

[RickyZ]

My wife and I dated for about 4 years, even lived together for a while. That broke up and we went on to have other girl/boyfriends; but we remained friends as the others came and went. After 12 years of that we came to the realization that we were by our friendship going to be together to the end no matter who came and went in our lives. So our marriage then was not based on a vow to establish a new relationship, but to acknowledge the tested one that already existed.

In the spiritual, a spousal relationship is established when the two make one, wink wink. Marriage is a public acknowledgment of that relationship. And no the state does not have any place in it, but danged if they don't try to anyway.

 

[Kerim]

My wife and I dated for about 4 years, even lived together for a while. That broke up and we went on to have other girl/boyfriends; but we remained friends as the others came and went. After 12 years of that we came to the realization that we were by our friendship going to be together to the end no matter who came and went in our lives. So our marriage then was not based on a vow to establish a new relationship, but to acknowledge the tested one that already existed.

In the spiritual, a spousal relationship is established when the two make one, wink wink. Marriage is a public acknowledgment of that relationship. And no the state does not have any place in it, but danged if they don't try to anyway.

As you said, a formal marriage after a real friendship becomes a mere formality for the state records.

May God bless your marriage forever.

 

[Kerim]

In general, many people tend to think, after they hear a new idea, that the speaker, by presenting his unfamiliar view, is likely against something or he hopes he could change the world... in a way or another.

In my case (Kerim's case

) and after knowing well enough the world I live in, I don’t feel the need to be against or change anything or anyone in it. But this didn't/doesn't prevent me to always keep analyzing (or better seeing) whatever may happen in the world and is related to my life; social, economical, political and religious. I do it just for my self-satisfaction, so that I don’t see a naive person every time I look at a mirror.

If you got what I mean, you would know I respect marriage as it is (even with its third party

). I wish all married couples can find their way to share each other a wonderful life full of success and happiness. But marriage is not for me (as many other things; like gambling, hunting, drinking, smoking, having sex with any other... etc.

). I personally cannot belong to any formal group (religious or political) in the world and my marriage should be confirmed (if not blessed too) by one, otherwise it won't be a 'real' marriage. The reason why it won't be real will be explored on the thread "Main Difference between a Man and a Woman".