Marriage

[Kerim]

Did any of you notice the ‘common’ prerequisite, anywhere in the world, for a man and woman to get married?

I mean ‘common’ to all kinds of community in the world, in the past and present.

Thank you.

 

[Kerim]

And because of this ‘common’ prerequisite, it was out of question that Jesus gets married.

In fact, and since I live as Jesus did (but without making miracles of course), also it was out of question for me to get married. For instance, it happens that I never felt the need to have sexual relationship with any person, so I am glad that God let me born in Syria where a man can live like Jesus Christ without being seen or called... you know

).

 

[Tintin]

I'm afraid I don't follow your line of thinking.

 

[Witness45]

Lol, seriously. What're you talkin' about man?

 

[Kerim]

Oh... The answer is rather clear and simple and you both DO know it.

I guess since what I am taking about is so familiar to you, you couldn't notice it as a common prerequisite for all marriages, anywhere anytime

A hint:
If it happens (an ideal case) that a man and a woman love and trust each other to no limit, is this enough for them to live together and forever while being respected by their community?

I guess the answer is clear now.

 

[presidente]

I'm going to guess you are going for something along the lines of the idea that the couple has to follow a set of practices or rituals in order to be recognized by society as married.

 

[Tintin]

I don't know where this thread is going, so I'll just say something, anything. Marriage is God-ordained and sex and sexual activities should only take place within marriage.

 

[Patnubay]

Did any of you notice the ‘common’ prerequisite, anywhere in the world, for a man and woman to get married?

I mean ‘common’ to all kinds of community in the world, in the past and present.

Thank you.

It used to be between a man and a woman. But NOT anymore.

 

[Kerim]

I'm going to guess you are going for something along the lines of the idea that the couple has to follow a set of practices or rituals in order to be recognized by society as married.

You are too close to it... Your answer just misses the right title

 

[Kerim]

I don't know where this thread is going, so I'll just say something, anything. Marriage is God-ordained and sex and sexual activities should only take place within marriage.

Well said...
You just missed to mention the crucial part which is common in all 'good' or 'legal' marriages in the world.

 

[Kerim]

It used to be between a man and a woman. But NOT anymore.

Thank you for your remark.


It happens that the common prerequisite, I am referring to, applies also on any sort of marriage

 

[Animus]

There are tons of common prerequisites; they have to have heads, citizenships, dates of birth, parents (dead or alive), the audacity to ask someone to hangout with them until one of them dies (this I'll admit is a modern one), and in moderns times you have to want to get married as well ('twasn't always the case). Which of these are you (and apparently Jesus) lacking? The only thing I can think of is that you, like Jesus, have no Earthly father to give you away (apparently you are the bride).

 

[Kerim]

There are tons of common prerequisites; they have to have heads, citizenships, dates of birth, parents (dead or alive), the audacity to ask someone to hangout with them until one of them dies (this I'll admit is a modern one), and in moderns times you have to want to get married as well ('twasn't always the case). Which of these are you (and apparently Jesus) lacking? The only thing I can think of is that you, like Jesus, have no Earthly father to give you away
(apparently you are the bride).

It seems you didn't read yet that this common prerequisite is for 'good' or 'legal' marriage in ANY community... no matter what its religion, belief or culture is.

By the way, because of this prerequisite, it was out of question (impossible) for Jesus to get married
And the same happened to me

Please note, it is not about a physical matter related to the bodies of the couple.

Truth be said, I didn't expect that no one can give the simple answer while ALL DO know it.

 

[Loveneverfails]

Truth be said, I didn't expect that no one can give the simple answer while ALL DO know it.

I think it might have something to do with your communication style. I've noticed something here and in another thread you started: you tend to direct your threads as if they're guessing games, not conversations. You give "hints", and you tell people that they've come "close" (or not) to giving you the "right answer".

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying it might be why so many people are having a hard time following your point. Even as I read all your posts in this thread, I feel like I'm trying to answer a riddle instead of having a discussion. I feel like you have very interesting thoughts and observations to share, but have you considered plainly stating your interesting thoughts and observations in your first post and letting people discuss them with you, rather than making us guess what in the world you're talking about? I feel like the guessing just makes it take a lot longer to get to the point.

 

[tourist]

I'm afraid I don't follow your line of thinking.

I am a little lost myself, mate. I am usually on top of this line of reasoning. Oh, well, I will just have to rely on my old standby: It is better to have loved and loss than to never had love at all.

 

[maxwel]

I think it might have something to do with your communication style. I've noticed something here and in another thread you started: you tend to direct your threads as if they're guessing games, not conversations. You give "hints", and you tell people that they've come "close" (or not) to giving you the "right answer".

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying it might be why so many people are having a hard time following your point. Even as I read all your posts in this thread, I feel like I'm trying to answer a riddle instead of having a discussion. I feel like you have very interesting thoughts and observations to share, but have you considered plainly stating your interesting thoughts and observations in your first post and letting people discuss them with you, rather than making us guess what in the world you're talking about? I feel like the guessing just makes it take a lot longer to get to the point.

Yeah, maybe it isn't your intention, but your threads do feel a bit condescending...
as if we're all grade school children trying to please our teacher by coming up with the right answer.

Maybe it isn't your intention, but I think a lot of people are irritating by the method.

Maybe you could consider a different method for discussion.

 

[tourist]

Yeah, maybe it isn't your intention, but your threads do feel a bit condescending...
as if we're all grade school children trying to please our teacher by coming up with the right answer.

Maybe it isn't your intention, but I think a lot of people are irritating by the method.

Maybe you could consider a different method for discussion.

I think that he needs a double espresso. That usually works for me. And a box of Munchkins. I have no ideal what this guy is talking about.

 

[maxwel]

Clarification

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Kerim's stance on biblical topics,
I'm just suggesting he try a different discussion method.

 

[Loveneverfails]

Clarification

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with Kerim's stance on biblical topics,
I'm just suggesting he try a different discussion method.

Same here.

 

[Kerim]

Here is the simple answer:

A 'true' or 'legal' marriage NEEDS always a 'third' party (or person) that is representing the law of a Community or a System in order to confirm it or, in the least, blessing it.

In general (since there are always exceptions), without this 'formal' procedure, a man and a woman cannot live very close openly (as married couples do) while expecting being fully respected by the families living in their neighbourhood and by their colleagues at work.
And this is not the end of the story

Also when a man accepts a third party to bless his marriage, he also accepts and confirm freely to be a follower/believer of the side that blessed his marriage. Otherwise his marriage would be not real. For example, if a Christian gets married by a non-Christian law, he is seen automatically as a sinner living with a strange woman. But at the same time, he and his wife are fully accepted by the community (or System) that blessed (confirmed) his marriage.

As you see, a real marriage and real friendship are exclusive.

A true friendship unifies two free independent mature persons, spiritually speaking, without the need for any other one in the world to give them any sort of permission about their friendship; no matter how long it may last. Am I wrong?

In the contrary, a true marriage unifies two complementary living fleshes under a certain regulation/law after being approved by a third party, in a way or another.

Corollary:
Every sect of any religion and every formal system/belief/culture in the world SHOULD have its own law about marriage, otherwise it won't exist for too long.

Now, could you imagine Jesus asking a man (or a woman, if you like) to bless his marriage with a woman?

And since I used living the unconditional love towards all others without discrimination, I couldn't see myself following freely ANY specific law of marriage in the world and belonging therefore to its group, community or System. So it was out of question for me to get married (fortunately, I also never felt the need to have sexual relationships with any person

, perhaps because I am just an intellectual and spiritual being )

Now tell me... didn't you all know already this common prerequisite?