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AgeofKnowledge

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The statistics show that women cheat as much as men do. Which makes sense, of course. For who would these men be cheating with. The same woman? I don't think so.

Never underestimate a secular female's desire for the BBD.


You are out of touch with the reality of why so many women get divorced, presidente! They don't get divorced to stick it to some man, whom they have loved, served, and born his children.

They get divorced because the man has committed adultery or because of abuse.

And I guess these women are 'purely innocent' ??? Have you checked the latest stats on infidelity by married women? The last time I checked on DV stats issued by the CDC, 57% of DV was provoked by women. Many men are cheated on and abused by women but many will never talk about it or report it because of cultural differences. Many of these women (and men) are "reaping what they sowed."
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Sure, it makes sense to prefer something that favors you and degrade everyone that won't opt for the lopsided deal that favors you.

Stay focused on yourself Rachel20 and don't think about what it means to a man to put himself in a situation where he could lose half of his income for more than a decade and his children while staring at a jail cell if he loses his job. It's all about you. Never forget that. I know you won't.

And are you really trying to blame men for the lopsided terms of marriage? Of course, it makes sense that men would construct something to destroy them and favor others. That's perfectly logical. Secular and radical feminist had absolutely nothing to do with it. Well, it's perfectly logical on planet delusional. Tell me, do you get mail up there?


Well, there are provisions provided by law such as prenuptial agreements that protect interests of both parties in the turn of such events.
There are no excuses for any man avoiding "traps of marriage" to seek casual sex or companionship somewhere else.

There's no loss for anyone if a man doesn't marry. There are many women who do not marry.

To blame feminist movements wholly for this is not very objective.


Also, though not shown statistically, I am sure most women prefer brave, bold, courageous men and not cowards who are afraid to commit.


Just some thoughts.



PS- Oh and I absolutely support equal rights for men. Go boy power!
 

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The Women's movement, first wave, started in the 18th century. It was about women getting the vote, stopping drinking, which was destroying homes and stopping abortion. But some of you have forgotten the thread I started about this.

This is not about divorce, or women abusing men (and I know this happens frequently - the head of the abuse center in my city told me it is a major issue), it is about the manosphere.

manosphere


  • The loose collection of blogs, message boards, and other sites run by and/or read by MRAs, MGTOW, and assorted friendly Pick-up Artists. The primary source of material for this blog. Please start another thread if you want to stomp on women who have been abused, especially by control freaks in Christian marriages.I know many abused women, and most of them were trying to reconcile their marriages, although the Christian woman whose husband tried to kill her is in jail for life, and she is not getting back together with him.I guess the difference for me about male vs female abuse, is that when a woman pulls a mans hair, or hits him with all her might, he might get a bruise or owie. If a man hits a woman, we are talking broken noses and bones, and sometimes death. Of course, if guns or knives or other implements are involved, I guess the playing field is pretty even. Fortunately in Canada, we don't really allow guns, or use them, so mostly it is men beating up women badly with their fists.

  • In BC for example, until 1983, a husband could beat his wife to death, and not suffer for the crime. It was those evil second wave feminists who brought in a law allowing police to prosecute a husband for beating up his wife. Or vice versa, I would assume.

    I was going to add a link against the manosphere, but every single one I googled was full of swearing, and basically saying the manosphere was totally awesome, being about the alpha male dating as many women as he wants. (Meaning bedding them!)

    That really adds a lot to the discussion. I would think Christian men would be interested in provided a godly alternative, rather than defending this travesty, or bashing feminism in lieu of what the manosphere is actually about!
 
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Last night, when I was reading, my mother´s neibour´s daughter was telling her mother she was unwilling to be married. She is not older than 17-20 and she also dislike the idea of marriage. Her mother and someone I don´t know, were insisting she had to be married, the girl talked back arguing with her reasons... Her mother verbally expressed marriaged as THE PRICE A MAN HAD TO PAY TO TOUCH HER (she used other words) so I understood marriage is not seem the Christian way (and I most confess I saw it THE WRONG secular way too, for decades).

Mariage is not a business, but I have heard another girl this: "If any wants to marry me, he has to buy me a house and a car...". (I asked "why the car?". She said: "...for the children...") She said it literally, in front of her mom, so it´s clear any might put a price for that CONTRACT...

I never asked that teenager: "Don´t you know kids needs a driver´s licence?" Because I already knew she was serious at her sayings. :(
IMHO I believe only 30% of American women (and men) are fit for marriage and you gave several examples. To a degree I really can't feel sorry for many of these American men who fall for these traps because they refuse to take off the blinders. After several dates I could usually see the "red flags' popping up everywhere because I look for them while most men are so preoccupied with sex. The best info one can get on a potential date or partner are from their friends, enemies and family members who like to talk .... lol !! American women (and men) changed dramatically for the worst after the various movements of the 1960's & 70's. The differences between American women before and after 1965 is like day & night. I am very blessed & fortunate to witness both eras and remained in one piece. In general, the American institution of marriage is designed to weakened the men ability to lead his family and crush them in divorces. While cohabitation is less strenuous on relationships for men, DV is a favorite weapon many American women use to initiate 'revenge' or personal vendetta. At the age of 25 I knew how vulnerable men were in marriage & cohabitation relationships. And many young women today wonder why men won't marry or even seek cohabitation with them. The Women Movement is responsible for the turmoil and women overall are getting the worst of it.
 
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@ Ageogknowledge

"Never underestimate a secular female's desire for the BBD."

May ask what is that BBD? :confused:
 
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@ Ageogknowledge

"Never underestimate a secular female's desire for the BBD."

May ask what is that BBD? :confused:
 
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@ageofknpwledge

"...don't think about what it means to a man to put himself in a situation where he could lose half of his income for more than a decade and his children while staring at a jail cell if he loses his job..."

That "reward system" was designed to bring money several people (lawyers + winners) and, of course, "society" seems to be promoting SAME-SEXED marriage to get ADDITIONAL money where lawyers could get some wealth fighting for EQUALITY within same sexes and equal rights /treatments within man-made marriages. I wish I be removed from earth!
All these sucks! The thing is money, leading power + reward systems applied. :(
 
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IMHO I believe only 30% of American women (and men) are fit for marriage and you gave several examples. To a degree I really can't feel sorry for many of these American men who fall for these traps because they refuse to take off the blinders. After several dates I could usually see the "red flags' popping up everywhere because I look for them while most men are so preoccupied with sex. The best info one can get on a potential date or partner are from their friends, enemies and family members who like to talk .... lol !! American women (and men) changed dramatically for the worst after the various movements of the 1960's & 70's. The differences between American women before and after 1965 is like day & night. I am very blessed & fortunate to witness both eras and remained in one piece. In general, the American institution of marriage is designed to weakened the men ability to lead his family and crush them in divorces. While cohabitation is less strenuous on relationships for men, DV is a favorite weapon many American women use to initiate 'revenge' or personal vendetta. At the age of 25 I knew how vulnerable men were in marriage & cohabitation relationships. And many young women today wonder why men won't marry or even seek cohabitation with them. The Women Movement is responsible for the turmoil and women overall are getting the worst of it.
Sad!

Here, those I have heard, told me they felt compeled to "date", go to a hotel, and before arriving 3 months "together", they had to do things wrong to avoid being marriaged. Here, those who have been cohabitation (in the public) sight have fought to GET THEIR SHARE after 3 onths "together" so, as any can see, the materialistic approach of BOTH SEXES is discouriging people from being marriaged and it doesn't matter children were not gotten, cuase some delt to make-believe children were from those "cheaters" they were "loving".

I'm scared! I started to pray to be in absolute celibacy.
 
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@ Ageogknowledge

"Never underestimate a secular female's desire for the BBD."

May ask what is that BBD? :confused:
Decent answer> BBD - an acronym for "Bigger Better Deal". A term basically used when a man or woman temporarily makes due with someone as his or her mate, while actually still in search for a mate that bares superior superficial qualities for an ideal lover.Shelly don't tell me, you've finally settled already? You just put yourself out there! You have to take your time to score the BBD, girl!
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I remember the term from the 80's as a description for when a woman makes due with someone as her mate while searching for a man that can offer her access to a bigger better deal.

@ Ageogknowledge

"Never underestimate a secular female's desire for the BBD."

May ask what is that BBD? :confused:
 

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I wish there was a movement to treat all people EQUALLY regardless of gender, race, nationality, social or political standing, and etc. Oh there is. Its called Christianity.

I don't know if such a thing as being "middle of the road" politically is possible, but this is what I aspire to achieve. Being on either side of the spectrum is wrong in my opinion.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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We're long past the 18th century. In Western societies, modern secular feminism is focused on denying men their utility, their resources, their dreams, etc... for the benefit of women.

And the polls show the result. For example, 82 per cent of men believe they have lost their traditional male role in society, feel undervalued, feel disrespected, and believe their voices and opinions unheard.

So the next generation of young straight men are not going to live out the feminist role their predecessors constructed for them.

Studies show they are rejecting modern secular feminism and opting out of the legal entanglements that liberals, spearheaded by modern secular feminists, placed on marriage and fatherhood in numbers never before seen.

Though few of them presently have anything to do with the manosphere (this is slowly changing), they are rejecting marriage and forming non-sexual mutually beneficial supportive relationships with other straight males ("bros before hos") instead of a single female in life-long holy matrimony as they have become far more aware of the radical consequences of divorce to their lives after observing most older males experience them.

But then what is holy matrimony to a modern secular/radical feminist anyways but a way to secure male resources and utility for women in a legal contract. Very few feminists engage in life long holy matrimony. Most are serial monogamists and quite a few of them are lesbian serial monogamists which helps explains why they work so hard to devalue the "holy" part extending marriage to serial monogamists and homosexuals.

And feminism is very expensive make no mistake. All those never married single mothers and fatherless children cost society an enormous amount of money and this is after the courts appropriate male resources and utility (even sometimes when they are not the father).

Without even considering the lost revenue of tens of millions of children not being raised in functional nuclear families to become middle class taxpayers nor the other expenses incurred with increased incarceration and court costs to society that single parent dysfunction so often creates: just the welfare payouts alone are enormous:





One very good reason why welfare was almost non-existent between 1950-1960 is that America was comprised of functional nuclear families that held a Christian worldview and worked together to make ends meet rejecting the welfare state as dishonorable. Imagine that in 1950, 72 percent of all black men and 81 percent of black women were married.

But then men were respected and benefitted from their exchange of utility in those days.

Watch the youtube videos of sobbing newly divorced young males. The Canadian ones are the best. The newly divorced liberal young male just coming to grips that their primary role in life just changed to that of a mule who will work for more than a decade to get money to their ex to stay out of jail.

Some of them live on couches in friends apartments and homes because all their money goes to their ex (if they don't pay they will be put in jail and begin revolving in and out of jail as they do the time for not paying but then since they didn't pay because they were in jail they simply get put back in jail and this continues for years). They are crushed. They have no hope. All they have to look forward to is working as a slave for their ex who will be with a new man shortly.

The secular feminist response is to degrade and demean men further seeking to exercise legal power over them even more. Young men are increasingly opting out of marriage, trying not to have children, seeking to protect their resources and utility, and seeking to use women for their utility not the other way around.

The secular radical modern feminist can rage all they like because now it's not going to make a material difference whether they do or not. Young men are awakening and, whether quickly or slowly, the other shoe is going to drop eventually.

Myself, I align with Christian epistemology. This isn't God's design for humanity. It's the feminist design for humanity.
 
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We're long past the 18th century. In Western societies, modern secular feminism is focused on denying men their utility, their resources, their dreams, etc... for the benefit of women.

And the polls show the result. For example, 82 per cent of men believe they have lost their traditional male role in society, feel undervalued, feel disrespected, and believe their voices and opinions unheard.

So the next generation of young straight men are not going to live out the feminist role their predecessors constructed for them.

Studies show they are rejecting modern secular feminism and opting out of the legal entanglements that liberals, spearheaded by modern secular feminists, placed on marriage and fatherhood in numbers never before seen.

Though few of them presently have anything to do with the manosphere (this is slowly changing), they are rejecting marriage and forming non-sexual mutually beneficial supportive relationships with other straight males ("bros before hos") instead of a single female in life-long holy matrimony as they have become far more aware of the radical consequences of divorce to their lives after observing most older males experience them.

But then what is holy matrimony to a modern secular/radical feminist anyways but a way to secure male resources and utility for women in a legal contract. Very few feminists engage in life long holy matrimony. Most are serial monogamists and quite a few of them are lesbian serial monogamists which helps explains why they work so hard to devalue the "holy" part extending marriage to serial monogamists and homosexuals.

And feminism is very expensive make no mistake. All those never married single mothers and fatherless children cost society an enormous amount of money and this is after the courts appropriate male resources and utility (even sometimes when they are not the father).

Without even considering the lost revenue of tens of millions of children not being raised in functional nuclear families to become middle class taxpayers nor the other expenses incurred with increased incarceration and court costs to society that single parent dysfunction so often creates: just the welfare payouts alone are enormous:





One very good reason why welfare was almost non-existent between 1950-1960 is that America was comprised of functional nuclear families that held a Christian worldview and worked together to make ends meet rejecting the welfare state as dishonorable. Imagine that in 1950, 72 percent of all black men and 81 percent of black women were married.

But then men were respected and benefitted from their exchange of utility in those days.

Watch the youtube videos of sobbing newly divorced young males. The Canadian ones are the best. The newly divorced liberal young male just coming to grips that their primary role in life just changed to that of a mule who will work for more than a decade to get money to their ex to stay out of jail.

Some of them live on couches in friends apartments and homes because all their money goes to their ex (if they don't pay they will be put in jail and begin revolving in and out of jail as they do the time for not paying but then since they didn't pay because they were in jail they simply get put back in jail and this continues for years). They are crushed. They have no hope. All they have to look forward to is working as a slave for their ex who will be with a new man shortly.

The secular feminist response is to degrade and demean men further seeking to exercise legal power over them even more. Young men are increasingly opting out of marriage, trying not to have children, seeking to protect their resources and utility, and seeking to use women for their utility not the other way around.

The secular radical modern feminist can rage all they like because now it's not going to make a material difference whether they do or not. Young men are awakening and, whether quickly or slowly, the other shoe is going to drop eventually.

Myself, I align with Christian epistemology. This isn't God's design for humanity. It's the feminist design for humanity.

and just imagine the damage that a feminist can do to the psyche of her newborn boy.....perpetuating the upheaval of the order of things designed and made for our own good, by God.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Don't even get me started on that subject. From shootings at MIT (i.e., the Tsarnaev brothers) to the University of Central Florida to the Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy in Decatur, Ga., the majority of school shooters involve young men whose parents divorced or never married in the first place.

As Harvard sociologist Robert Sampson wrote, “Family structure is one of the strongest, if not the strongest, predictor of variations in urban violence across cities in the United States.”

His views are echoed by the eminent criminologists Michael Gottfredson and Travis Hirschi, who have written that “such family measures as the percentage of the population divorced, the percentage of households headed by women, and the percentage of unattached individuals in the community are among the most powerful predictors of crime rates.





The Distinct, Positive Impact of a Good Dad - W. Bradford Wilcox - The Atlantic

Liberals aren't hard to track. They leave dead people, illegitimate ticking time bombs, and massive national debt from welfare spending wherever they go.

Sons of Divorce, School Shooters | National Review Online


and just imagine the damage that a feminist can do to the psyche of her newborn boy.....perpetuating the upheaval of the order of things designed and made for our own good, by God.
 
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Sirk

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Wow man. Liberalism really is a mental disorder. I came from a divorced family but in spite of my idiotic but well intentioned parents, I had a high moral compass and strong desire to overcome. "As in the days of Noah" fo sho!

Don't even get me started on that subject. From shootings at MIT (i.e., the Tsarnaev brothers) to the University of Central Florida to the Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy in Decatur, Ga., the majority of school shooters involve young men whose parents divorced or never married in the first place.

As Harvard sociologist Robert Sampson wrote, “Family structure is one of the strongest, if not the strongest, predictor of variations in urban violence across cities in the United States.”

His views are echoed by the eminent criminologists Michael Gottfredson and Travis Hirschi, who have written that “such family measures as the percentage of the population divorced, the percentage of households headed by women, and the percentage of unattached individuals in the community are among the most powerful predictors of crime rates.





The Distinct, Positive Impact of a Good Dad - W. Bradford Wilcox - The Atlantic

Liberals aren't hard to track. They leave dead people, illegitimate ticking time bombs, and massive national debt from welfare spending wherever they go.

Sons of Divorce, School Shooters | National Review Online
 
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brokenclay

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Its called repent and be saved. You must be born again by the Spirit of God; not by the will of man. My outward man is perishing but the new man in me is Christ. God scorges those whom he loves. Christians still have a free will but this new will is under the authority of Christ. We are told to take heed of the doctrines of God lest we fall. No one can be forced into being a Christian because its a miracle provided by God, not man. Not by works of righteousness which we have done; but by grace we are saved throught faith. God gave men their own glory and gave women their own glory; distinct in nature and in estate. Its not what you want; its what God says is true. What God has brought together let no man put asunder. There are two kinds of children on earth. Eve's children and Satan's children. One lives under the curse of the law and the other lives under grace. Which one are you? The law condems but grace is God's forgiveness of sin paid for by the shed blood of his son Jesus Christ; who is now the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no Jew nor Greek nor male nor female in Christ. We are one in the Spirit. Satan wants to divide us according to the flesh; but God warns against this. Sorry if I didn't use scripture. Galations 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. You are wishing for equality? Equality is not how much you have or own; its living under grace in one spirit under God.
Romans 8:16King James Version (KJV)[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. Search the scriptures that you may know you have eternal life. Blessings to you.
 
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brokenclay

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I too get a gut wrenching feeling when I see the world in such tragic state. But remember we are strong together as brothers in arms. We are soldiers of the cross. And Christ is the captain of the host. Read everything you can about Christ and keep praying against these evil forces. You and I were saved for such a time as this. Put on the whole armour of God and get back in the fight. You won't regret it. Repentance is better than regret. Blessings in Christ Secular Hermit. Do not weary in well doing. Do not faint. We may sow with tears but we shall reap with joy. _ Larry Sherman
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Put on the whole armor of God. Definitely, well stated. Those who work with the children of Democrats could use some other types of body armor as well:

"A record 209,800 primary and secondary school teachers reported being physically attacked by a student during the 2011-2012 school year, according to new data released Tuesday by the federal government.

That was up 34.5 percent from the previous record of 156,000 teachers who were attacked by students in the 2007-2008 school year.

On average, 1,175 teachers were physically attacked each day of the school year, according to data, which is derived from the NCES' Schools and Staffing Survey (SASS)."

U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) report: http://cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/documents/NCES survey.pdf



The blue bar was almost at zero for 1955. Apparently pushing ever increasing "progressive" liberalism, homosexuality, feminism, etc... on school children turns them violent. How interesting.
 
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I remember the term from the 80's as a description for when a woman makes due with someone as her mate while searching for a man that can offer her access to a bigger better deal.
Now is has more "meanings"... That´s why I checked and told. Thanks!
 
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Decent answer> BBD - an acronym for "Bigger Better Deal". A term basically used when a man or woman temporarily makes due with someone as his or her mate, while actually still in search for a mate that bares superior superficial qualities for an ideal lover.Shelly don't tell me, you've finally settled already? You just put yourself out there! You have to take your time to score the BBD, girl!
Hmmm!

As a wailing wall, I came here to confess I´ve been living like ONE of those with several BBD. No doubt I´d like to be involved on this thread and I have liked the cause of Men's Rights Movement


But I will not deny I was operating same way and it surely works that way, because Amos 3:3 wasn´t wrong, neither the one who said:

"Youcan enter true life only through the narrow gate. The gate to hell isvery wide, and there is plenty of room on the road that leads there.Many people go that way.” Mat 7:13 "Youcan enter true life only through the narrow gate. The gate to hell isvery wide, and there is plenty of room on the road that leads there.Many people go that way.” Mat 7:13

Chances are that, if I had found her, I could be taught like Ezekiel (
"Son of man, youlove your wife very much, but I am going to takeher away from you. Your wife will die suddenly,but you must not show your sadness. You must not cry loudly. You willcry and your tears will fall, but you must mourn quietly. Dress asyou normally do; wear your turban and sandals; don't cover yourmustache, and don't eat the food people normally eat when someonedies." Ezek 24:16-17) and it is somewhat sad life is not what I thought it was.

I was living my way! Thanks GOD it be done any day. :)