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These are not academic arguments, nor are they referenced, these are only thoughts, personal ones. Thoughts of mine. Something spurred me into writing them and putting them here. Maybe to say something, but I think more to give another perspective on adult human life, especially for those who are disheartened with the world.

Our entire educational system is based on indoctrinating children into working for financial benefit. Without money, we're worthless - it's like our whole upbringing we're pushed towards this mantra, and a vast majority of our population accept it; they rise the ladder, earn their paper and they are often unable to think any differently for the most part. Of course, some perceive an injustice in rewarding selfishness with money when so much of the world starve without it, and those sensitive people will reject what they're being bent towards even if they don't quite know why they are rejecting it.

Even children can look at the world and recognize that something is awfully wrong, but my observation is that rarely are children listened to on great matters of the deepest sincerity and poignancy. The great shame is that those few who go against the grain in our society are stuck with labels like 'defective', 'anti-social', 'rebellious' and 'unruly'. We adults, as part of an apparently civilized society, would not dream of imprisoning another human being and forcing them to think like us, because we value freedom and choice and human rights. Yet we happily send children to a room for six hours a day to learn things they never asked to be taught, and we have the audacity to tell them that they are being unreasonable when they reject what is forced upon them.

I wonder what a child might say if we were to show them the true issues of the world, that we, as adults are so conditioned to seeing? If we allowed them to question to practices we enforce on them? The teachings we impart on them? If they could speak with eloquence and intricacy as adults, yet retain all their perspectives, what might they say?

Many days of our lives, we humans live in duality between what we would really see for ourselves, and what is, between what we really think, and what's spoken, between what we really observe, and what's testified to, between what's our genuine opinion, and what we're supposed to think, between what we hoped we could be, and what we became, between what we value, and between what we're supposed to value, between what we truly know, and what we let others think we know.

We live in a society of markedly aggressive personalities, where spite is often rewarded with applause, where anger is second nature, where negative attention is attention-wanted so often because everybody is vying for the attention of others, all the time. We live in a world where our technological advances were supposed to make the world better, yet we are so inundated with information that it has only served to make us feel small, overlooked, insignificant and unworthy - just like children whose opinions on larger things are overlooked as insignificant.

And we live in a world where we think we are the only ones. Only we could understand. Only we go through it all. Only we know best. Only we could possibly feel this way. Only adults have real problems. We so often live in a world so removed from true, benevolent human intimacy that we are all alone, yet few realize how together we are in that.

We live in a world so wrought with duality, animosity, sides and flags that we often forget we are the same species. We get so wrapped up in causes and battles we forget that the greatest battle is with oneself. We get so wrapped up in the confusions we face, in the questions we ask and the answers we crave taht we forget the greatest joys of life lie in the quietest, simplest, most innocent moments. We become so hateful against hate that we forget what hate against us felt like when we didn't hate anybody. We forget what hate brings, what it has always brought - more hate.

Everybody, I would urge you wholeheartedly, contact your inner child and ask them what they think of war, ask them what they think of hate, ask them what they think is truly important.
 
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I can introduce you the answer to all your cries. He is Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace.
 
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I can introduce you the answer to all your cries. He is Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace.
So, we'll go through a little ritual together and then things I say will cease to be thrown needlessly aside?

No, but thank you.
 
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Sirk

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These are not academic arguments, nor are they referenced, these are only thoughts, personal ones. Thoughts of mine. Something spurred me into writing them and putting them here. Maybe to say something, but I think more to give another perspective on adult human life, especially for those who are disheartened with the world.

Our entire educational system is based on indoctrinating children into working for financial benefit. Without money, we're worthless - it's like our whole upbringing we're pushed towards this mantra, and a vast majority of our population accept it; they rise the ladder, earn their paper and they are often unable to think any differently for the most part. Of course, some perceive an injustice in rewarding selfishness with money when so much of the world starve without it, and those sensitive people will reject what they're being bent towards even if they don't quite know why they are rejecting it.

Even children can look at the world and recognize that something is awfully wrong, but my observation is that rarely are children listened to on great matters of the deepest sincerity and poignancy. The great shame is that those few who go against the grain in our society are stuck with labels like 'defective', 'anti-social', 'rebellious' and 'unruly'. We adults, as part of an apparently civilized society, would not dream of imprisoning another human being and forcing them to think like us, because we value freedom and choice and human rights. Yet we happily send children to a room for six hours a day to learn things they never asked to be taught, and we have the audacity to tell them that they are being unreasonable when they reject what is forced upon them.

I wonder what a child might say if we were to show them the true issues of the world, that we, as adults are so conditioned to seeing? If we allowed them to question to practices we enforce on them? The teachings we impart on them? If they could speak with eloquence and intricacy as adults, yet retain all their perspectives, what might they say?

Many days of our lives, we humans live in duality between what we would really see for ourselves, and what is, between what we really think, and what's spoken, between what we really observe, and what's testified to, between what's our genuine opinion, and what we're supposed to think, between what we hoped we could be, and what we became, between what we value, and between what we're supposed to value, between what we truly know, and what we let others think we know.

We live in a society of markedly aggressive personalities, where spite is often rewarded with applause, where anger is second nature, where negative attention is attention-wanted so often because everybody is vying for the attention of others, all the time. We live in a world where our technological advances were supposed to make the world better, yet we are so inundated with information that it has only served to make us feel small, overlooked, insignificant and unworthy - just like children whose opinions on larger things are overlooked as insignificant.

And we live in a world where we think we are the only ones. Only we could understand. Only we go through it all. Only we know best. Only we could possibly feel this way. Only adults have real problems. We so often live in a world so removed from true, benevolent human intimacy that we are all alone, yet few realize how together we are in that.

We live in a world so wrought with duality, animosity, sides and flags that we often forget we are the same species. We get so wrapped up in causes and battles we forget that the greatest battle is with oneself. We get so wrapped up in the confusions we face, in the questions we ask and the answers we crave taht we forget the greatest joys of life lie in the quietest, simplest, most innocent moments. We become so hateful against hate that we forget what hate against us felt like when we didn't hate anybody. We forget what hate brings, what it has always brought - more hate.

Everybody, I would urge you wholeheartedly, contact your inner child and ask them what they think of war, ask them what they think of hate, ask them what they think is truly important.
I really like what Neil Peart wrote about the things you speak of in a song called "Territories".

"Territories"

I see the Middle Kingdom between Heaven and Earth
Like the Chinese call the country of their birth
We all figure that our homes are set above
Other people than the ones we know and love
In every place with a name
They play the same territorial game
Hiding behind the lines
Sending up warning signs

The whole wide world
An endless universe
Yet we keep looking through
The eyeglass in reverse
Don't feed the people
But we feed the machines
Can't really feel
What international means
In different circles, we keep holding our ground
In different circles, we keep spinning round and round

We see so many tribes overrun and undermined
While their invaders dream of lands they've left behind
Better people...better food...and better beer...
Why move around the world when Eden was so near?
The bosses get talking so tough
And if that wasn't evil enough
We get the drunken and passionate pride
Of the citizens along for the ride

They shoot without shame
In the name of a piece of dirt
For a change of accent
Or the color of your shirt
Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colorful rag is unfurled



 

Angela53510

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My generation fought against this when we were young. In the 60's, there was a recognition that the ultimate value should not be money. and peace between nations and individuals should be sought. But sadly, we all grew old and realized we needed to get good jobs, become lawyers, doctors, and businesspeople, and let the politicians worry about world affairs, and so the cycle continued.

What made the difference for me, was the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. When I met Jesus, I realized that the ultimate value of life was not money, nor external peace, nor other people, nor even the earth. Instead, a relationship with God, learning and growing in him made my life worth while. That includes helping the broken and hurting, the poor, the aged.

Sadly, some Christians have not come to understand that the Kingdom of God is not about money, even though the Bible speaks about it. Nor is the Kingdom found in peace talks, or environmentalism, although they are all good causes.

Only the Prince of Peace can bring real peace to our hearts. God is a God of love. But a relationship with God comes from the heart. And the Holy Spirit in our hearts can bring about the transformation, and that is the beginning of the Kingdom of God.

"For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
 
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Tintin

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So, we'll go through a little ritual together and then things I say will cease to be thrown needlessly aside?

No, but thank you.
No, you clearly don't understand Christianity. But you don't seem to understand much of anything, even your own religion.
 
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No, you clearly don't understand Christianity. But you don't seem to understand much of anything, even your own religion.
Tintin, there's a saying. There are those like boxes, whose edges unfold and open, and those like cardboard, trying to build themselves into a box.

I am what I am, whether I speak the words you are trying to force me into saying or not, or whether I join your denomination or not. What I inherently am would not change at all, only your perspective of me would change.

That is why I said what I said in my previous post. That's something I understand.
 
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Tintin

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Fair enough, but I think there's also a point where you have to stop searching all the time and actually realise truth isn't relative. The postmodern world is so obsessed with learning but never really defining truth for this very reason.
 
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I really like what Neil Peart wrote about the things you speak of in a song called "Territories".

"Territories"

I see the Middle Kingdom between Heaven and Earth
Like the Chinese call the country of their birth
We all figure that our homes are set above
Other people than the ones we know and love
In every place with a name
They play the same territorial game
Hiding behind the lines
Sending up warning signs

The whole wide world
An endless universe
Yet we keep looking through
The eyeglass in reverse
Don't feed the people
But we feed the machines
Can't really feel
What international means
In different circles, we keep holding our ground
In different circles, we keep spinning round and round

We see so many tribes overrun and undermined
While their invaders dream of lands they've left behind
Better people...better food...and better beer...
Why move around the world when Eden was so near?
The bosses get talking so tough
And if that wasn't evil enough
We get the drunken and passionate pride
Of the citizens along for the ride

They shoot without shame
In the name of a piece of dirt
For a change of accent
Or the color of your shirt
Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colorful rag is unfurled



I always found that music and comedy are two mediums where uncomfortable truths are met with appreciation just for being told.
 
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Fair enough, but I think there's also a point where you have to stop searching all the time and actually realise truth isn't relative. The postmodern world is so obsessed with learning but never really defining truth for this very reason.
Do you think there is a point in time where a person understands enough that they must never try to understand any further? You told me, 'you don't understand much of anything', so should I stop searching for understanding and be content with little understanding of anything?
 
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Sirk

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Do you think there is a point in time where a person understands enough that they must never try to understand any further? You told me, 'you don't understand much of anything', so should I stop searching for understanding and be content with little understanding of anything?
I think you have to reach a point where you realize that the more you think you know...the greater the unknown. God is just that big and unfathomable.....and when the veil is pulled back and you see things for how they really are, it will be mind blowing. But you should never cease from learning and stretching yourself.
 
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Tintin

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Do you think there is a point in time where a person understands enough that they must never try to understand any further? You told me, 'you don't understand much of anything', so should I stop searching for understanding and be content with little understanding of anything?
*sigh* I don't know where you get the idea that Christianity is about finding the answer and then not going any further with one's learning. I know God is absolute truth. I know that He created me and you and everything there is. I know Christ died to save humanity from sin, death and the Enemy, if only they believe. But there's still much to learn. What is learned though, is built on a rock solid foundation of absolute truth.
 

Angela53510

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I agree so strongly with Tintin. When I think back 34 years ago to when I was first saved, how much God has changed me and how much I have learned. The entire Christian walk is a journey. In Greek, the word περιπατεῖτε or peripateo (1st person nominative!) means walk or live. In other words, as we walk with Christ, we learn how to live - not just head knowledge, but actually becoming more like Christ. But we need the Holy Spirit and the Bible to be able to grow and learn.

"So Jesus said to them, “The light is among you for a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going." John 12:35

"And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God." Eph. 5:2

"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." Eph. 2:10

Understanding the word in Greek, helped me to understand and grow into a person who was better able to serve both God and people. The Bible is a book of hope for the future. That we can be changed not by our own efforts, but by the power of the Holy Spirit within us. That is where Buddhism falls flat. It is all based on the works of a fallible human being, the self, not the power of the living and Almighty God.

"And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit." 2 Cor. 3:18
 
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dabodab

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Oh Esanta, we are all disheartened by this world to some degree, you are in very good company!

This world will never satisfy our longings by that 'perfect' financial stability, comfortable living arrangement with a spouse and 2.4 happy children, our vocation or regular vacations with the fam, neither by friends to whom we are connected with by little-to-no effort. Just writing this stuff makes me feel that pink clouds could be hanging overhead, sprayed with the aroma of complete and utter contentedness while pink hearts flutter like wings of doves. <sigh> <smile>

Wait, I want to tarry here a moment longer...

Okay, back to reality.

Could it be people reject what they have, are, and do with their wealth not because they are sickened by the contrast against have-nots, but because they still feel empty? Manna just will never satisfy. We were intended to till the land for each other, not ourselves. You're so right about that, though you didn't say it, I felt you did.

The little children are so privy these days to adult stress and violence and intolerance and over- stimulation from too much TV and violent gaming--poor little minds being twisted and forced to grasp bigotry and hatred and cheating and corruption...before leaving out their front doors.

Jesus was especially protective of children. Matthew 18:2-6 says
He called a little child and had him stand among them. And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. "And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Few of us have taken Jesus' words here to heart, it's true. And where we have, we have failed at other points like humility, and necessary dependence on a Father who loves us all completely and wholly. For, we were all once children. However, 1Corr. 13:12 says:

When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
It's not fun to be grown up! I want to go back and be a child again. I want my adult children to be children again! The innocence is gone. It's too late to change stuff, so now we trust God to fix it. Make us new. Create in us a clean heart.
Psalm 51:10 says

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
He does the work. I trust Him to do the work! (Note: Never ask which comes first. It totally doesn't matter)

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd9MaBu3gAg

Jesus is so patient with us. You are here for a reason Esanta. God has a wonderful plan for your life. It is not by chance you were born and ask these questions.

I believe it is God's will that you not be without Him, nor that you should die without knowing you go to Him. These are what make living worthwhile. Trust and faith in a God that made us for Himself. We can take the 'I' factor out and focus on Him and each other.

Haha I want to say some words here from that great theologian Linus 'That's what Christmas is all about, Charlie Brown'.
 
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