JURY DUTY

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My wife has a jury summons. She hates jury duty, nearly cries thinking about having to go, etc.
I love it and always look forward to being called and can't quite understand her aversion.

I'm mainly interested in hearing from those who dislike jury duty for one reason or another and tell me why, to help me understand what you go through.
Pro jury duty people can speak out too.
 
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I'll never sit a jury. Pre-trial determines the evidence, all evidence, before the jury is impaneled. Rules of evidence can dictate, depending on the case, that you're not allowed to hear certain things that could come in favor of the defendant who's life your judging to be lived free or incarcerated, when a juror.

There was a man who years ago was tried in California. As far as I know he's still in prison there. He had a permit, a California permit, to grow medical marijuana. So he had a warehouse where he stored huge quantities, he had everything that would get someone charged with growing and distributing on a federal charge a life sentence. Because the federal government didn't give him the permit. The state of California did.
Federal law trumps state law.
The Fed brought the charges.
It was a slam dunk. He had all this pot, he had all this evidence against him in enormous quantities that showed he did indeed grow, harvest and sold marijuana.
The jury was not allowed to hear he had a legal state permit for all that because the Fed was prosecuting the case.

After the guilty verdict and sentence to life without parole, the news crew who knew all the facts approached a few jurors that agreed to be interviewed right after the case concluded. And that crew informed these jurors of the lawful state permit and the lawful business this man was engaged in under the medical marijuana laws of the state of California. Which were facts not allowed in evidence due to it being a Federal prosecution.

One juror wept openly. The other swore to help the man's defense attorneys fight for an appeal. As did the other jurors there when he piped up with that promise.

When you sit a jury you judge the case based on the facts in evidence. But what a jury doesn't know is that you don't always have all the facts. But you do have all the power to decide the future of someone's life based only on what the state allows you to hear. When it is they who are bringing the charges in the first place.

What don't you hear in court? What was omitted at pre-trial that you'll never know about? Wanna bet someone's life on what you are allowed to know? By those who want you to put someone in a cage because they say there's enough evidence, in their opinion, to warrant that?

Not me.
Not ever.

If your wife is conflicted and does not want to serve on jury duty, she can invoke her faith at voi dire. That can be an out so that she is dismissed as a juror.

And of course if she owns her own business she can be excused. I own a business and that is what I invoke when I get a jury call up form.
 

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Thx Platy, though her objection is more along the lines of stress.
 

damombomb

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It can be time consuming as well. I only served once, but did learn from it. How when someone lies, all their credibility goes
out the window. It is no fun either.If you work, you have to take off, or catch back up. I guess it depends on the trial itself.
I always want out of it too.
 
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Thx Platy, though her objection is more along the lines of stress.
I understand. I don't know that a judge, who determines if one is able to be excused, would accept stress as cause. That's why the religious exception is ideal. As a Christian it is something that can be invoked. And a judge can't refuse.
Just as in some jurisdictions still, people are asked to swear their oath to tell the truth as a witness, using a Bible.

That's contrary to scripture as well. Which is why many states now afford the option to affirm. Also because not every witness respects the Bible in order to swear on their honor to speak the truth.

Best wishes to your wife. I hope all works to her benefit. God be with you all.
 

breno785au

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I don't get the negative attitude about jury duty, perhaps because I haven't been summoned yet but I've been one who's actually looking forward to it one day lol
 
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psychomom

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i can totally understand her reluctance.
the idea i have to sit and listen to horrid things,
and then decide someone's fate...*shudder*
maybe it's a soft hearted female thing?

i can no longer sit for jury duty (health blah blah blah), but my husband gets called.
he never makes it past voir dire...one of the lawyers always dismisses him.

here in NYS being a sole proprietor used to be an automatic excuse (and he is)
along with being responsible for the care of children under 5...not a reason to miss it anymore.
they don't care if you have no transportation, either.
must be getting tough to impanel a jury these days!
 
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i can totally understand her reluctance.
the idea i have to sit and listen to horrid things,
and then decide someone's fate...*shudder*
maybe it's a soft hearted female thing?

i can no longer sit for jury duty (health blah blah blah), but my husband gets called.
he never makes it past voir dire...one of the lawyers always dismisses him.

here in NYS being a sole proprietor used to be an automatic excuse (and he is)
along with being responsible for the care of children under 5...not a reason to miss it anymore.
they don't care if you have no transportation, either.
must be getting tough to impanel a jury these days!
At least in NYS. That's amazing. Not even as a sole proprietor? What are you suppose to do, shut down the business, lose customers to the competition, if the trial you're forced to sit as a juror runs for a couple of months? That's ridiculous.

There was a guy a friend of mine worked with that got out of jury duty. Most likely he'll always use the same excuse: I can't sit a jury your honor.
Why not?
Because I believe drugs and prostitution should all be legal, and in the case of a murder charge, well sir, there are just some people that ask to be killed.

Dismissed!
Yeah, no kidding.
 
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psychomom

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At least in NYS. That's amazing. Not even as a sole proprietor? What are you suppose to do, shut down the business, lose customers to the competition, if the trial you're forced to sit as a juror runs for a couple of months? That's ridiculous.
agreed! :)
when he started the business 25 years ago, it was a legal excuse,
but they've removed that exemption.
so..yeah, i guess being solely responsible for providing for your family
and sitting on a jury making no money for who knows how long...
eh, the state just sees no reason they should make an exemption in that case.
:rolleyes:
 
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agreed! :)
when he started the business 25 years ago, it was a legal excuse,
but they've removed that exemption.
so..yeah, i guess being solely responsible for providing for your family
and sitting on a jury making no money for who knows how long...
eh, the state just sees no reason they should make an exemption in that case.
:rolleyes:
You'll notice the one's that decided to repeal that exemption are rich.
 

santuzza

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I've been called a couple of times, but I've always gotten dismissed. Mainly because I have strong opinions on just about everything!
 

Joidevivre

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Well - I seem to be exactly who they want for juries. Been picked for 3 and really enjoyed the trials. They were interesting (and not gruesome murders, etc.). None of them lasted longer than 2 weeks. And I felt the verdicts were fair. No problem with the jurists agreeing. I have always felt everyone should at least serve on at least one just because the system (even with its flaws) is better than just one judge determining the outcome of a trial. I am unable to serve anymore - but I would do it again if I could.
 

Angela53510

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I got out out of jury duty with a doctor's note because my allergies were so bad at the time, and I was visiting the ER daily. My husband got out of jury duty once because they called him up in a jurisdiction which he no longer lived in.

I am not against jury duty, but I had 4 busy children at the time, and I would have lost a lot of money being away from my teaching position. These days, it might be interesting, not being able to do much because of my broken wrist.