Another poll on Christian metal
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I think it's a good bridge. I used to listen to korn (24/7), slipknot, deftones (i know they all aren't HEAVY metal, but close enough for me) and then I found out that there was an equivalent out there to the music that I listened to with better lyrics. I guess though the band that really stood out was demon hunter. They aren't as heavy as a lot, in my opinion but it changed everything about what I listened to from that point on once I found them.
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The Apostle Paul said he was all things to all people. To the Jews, he behaved as a Jew. To the weak, he became weak. To those who were under strict adherence to the law, Paul behaved as one of them when he was in there presence. To those not under any religious law, he became like them as well (except in his heart, mind & spirit he remained under the law of the Spirit of Jesus Christ). Why? Because he was determined to see people come to Christ and did not want to hinder them in the process.
I don't think Jesus had to make such an effort. Jesus was by nature of being God's Son and our Most Holy Lord, His amazing grace, perfect love and unlimited mercy drew people to Him and they wanted to know how to be like Him. I don't think the genre of music people listened to would have been an issue at all to Jesus.
I'm saying, if you can be strengthened in your spirit through metal music, hallelujah! If there are people around you who would be weakened by it, don't listen to it around them. If you are convinced metal music is not edifying, hallelujah, just don't listen to it. But don't judge others who like to listen to it. We should not judge people who don't like the same music as we do. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
I don't think Jesus had to make such an effort. Jesus was by nature of being God's Son and our Most Holy Lord, His amazing grace, perfect love and unlimited mercy drew people to Him and they wanted to know how to be like Him. I don't think the genre of music people listened to would have been an issue at all to Jesus.
I'm saying, if you can be strengthened in your spirit through metal music, hallelujah! If there are people around you who would be weakened by it, don't listen to it around them. If you are convinced metal music is not edifying, hallelujah, just don't listen to it. But don't judge others who like to listen to it. We should not judge people who don't like the same music as we do. Treat others the way you want to be treated.
I'm going to be the first "absolutely not" vote here and plan to explain why in simple terms.
1) It's the only form of music that focuses on primarily dark lyrics, frequent screaming, illegible vocals, etc.
2) Singers frequently "eat the mic"
3) It's kind of hard to think on good things when listening to utter confusion.
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
- Philippians 4:8
Note: Alternative Rock is not Metal, I'm referring to Metal and Death Metal here. Screamo, etc.
Note 2: Another music that isn't acceptable in terms of getting good thoughts out of is heavy trance. How can you possibly focus on God while listening to confusing repetition all day? You don't, and the middle east uses the music to enter states of hypnosis.
Note 3: Since we're discussing music, this documentary covering secular music is well-worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrcQxu80oqQ
1) It's the only form of music that focuses on primarily dark lyrics, frequent screaming, illegible vocals, etc.
2) Singers frequently "eat the mic"
3) It's kind of hard to think on good things when listening to utter confusion.
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
- Philippians 4:8
Note: Alternative Rock is not Metal, I'm referring to Metal and Death Metal here. Screamo, etc.
Note 2: Another music that isn't acceptable in terms of getting good thoughts out of is heavy trance. How can you possibly focus on God while listening to confusing repetition all day? You don't, and the middle east uses the music to enter states of hypnosis.
Note 3: Since we're discussing music, this documentary covering secular music is well-worth watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrcQxu80oqQ
Why I voted absolutely not.
I like rock. I like some heavy metal --- not Korn, I mean The Serenity of Suffering - just the title turns me off.
And slipknot -- can't stand to even look at them. It reminds me of what hell must be like.
So if I like some heavy metal, why Absolutely Not?
Because Jesus was a gentle person. He got angry, but that doesn't mean He was not gentle.
He wants a transformed person. As in the beatitudes in Mathew 5:3-8.
This type of music does not make for gentleness. It does not make one want to just float and think of our Lord.
It kind of brings you back down here, to earth. It's rough and loud and I can't even imagine Christian words put to that music.
Christian rock bothers me enough, but heavy metal??? Oh No!
If it helps some person in some way, then that's ok. We all come to God in our own way and if this is what they need right now, so be it.
But I'll bet a few years from now they won't be liking it anymore. They'll be searching more for that peaceful aspect of Christianity.
If you're going to listen to rock, listen to good rock.
If your're going to listen to heavy metal, listen to good heavy metal. (Van Halen? Stop laughing)
That's my opinion. I don't look down on anyone -
My two cents
Fran
I like rock. I like some heavy metal --- not Korn, I mean The Serenity of Suffering - just the title turns me off.
And slipknot -- can't stand to even look at them. It reminds me of what hell must be like.
So if I like some heavy metal, why Absolutely Not?
Because Jesus was a gentle person. He got angry, but that doesn't mean He was not gentle.
He wants a transformed person. As in the beatitudes in Mathew 5:3-8.
This type of music does not make for gentleness. It does not make one want to just float and think of our Lord.
It kind of brings you back down here, to earth. It's rough and loud and I can't even imagine Christian words put to that music.
Christian rock bothers me enough, but heavy metal??? Oh No!
If it helps some person in some way, then that's ok. We all come to God in our own way and if this is what they need right now, so be it.
But I'll bet a few years from now they won't be liking it anymore. They'll be searching more for that peaceful aspect of Christianity.
If you're going to listen to rock, listen to good rock.
If your're going to listen to heavy metal, listen to good heavy metal. (Van Halen? Stop laughing)
That's my opinion. I don't look down on anyone -
My two cents
Fran
Any dictionary will tell you heavy metal is not "joyful".
Look up what joyful means...
joy (dʒɔɪ)
n
1. a deep feeling or condition of happiness or contentment
2. something causing such a feeling; a source of happiness
3. an outward show of pleasure or delight; rejoicing
4. informal Brit success; satisfaction: I went to the bank for a loan, but got no joy.
vb
5. (intr) to feel joy
6. (tr) obsolete to make joyful; gladden
[C13: from Old French joie, from Latin gaudium joy, from gaudēre to be glad]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
joy (dʒɔɪ)
n.
1. a feeling or state of great delight or happiness; keen pleasure; elation.
2. a source or cause of keen pleasure or delight: a book that was a joy to read.
3. the expression or display of glad feeling; gaiety.
v.i.
4. to feel joy; be glad; rejoice.
v.t.
5. Obs. to gladden.
[1175–1225; < Old French joie, joye < Late Latin gaudia, orig. neuter pl. of Latin gaudium joy =gaud(ēre) to be glad + -ium -ium1]
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
Fran
Look up what joyful means...
joy (dʒɔɪ)
n
1. a deep feeling or condition of happiness or contentment
2. something causing such a feeling; a source of happiness
3. an outward show of pleasure or delight; rejoicing
4. informal Brit success; satisfaction: I went to the bank for a loan, but got no joy.
vb
5. (intr) to feel joy
6. (tr) obsolete to make joyful; gladden
[C13: from Old French joie, from Latin gaudium joy, from gaudēre to be glad]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014 © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011, 2014
joy (dʒɔɪ)
n.
1. a feeling or state of great delight or happiness; keen pleasure; elation.
2. a source or cause of keen pleasure or delight: a book that was a joy to read.
3. the expression or display of glad feeling; gaiety.
v.i.
4. to feel joy; be glad; rejoice.
v.t.
5. Obs. to gladden.
[1175–1225; < Old French joie, joye < Late Latin gaudia, orig. neuter pl. of Latin gaudium joy =gaud(ēre) to be glad + -ium -ium1]
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.
Fran
Don't know if you're talking to me....
I did say that we all have our own way of getting to God.
In time, though, I think a person would grow out of that.
If it helps someone get to God, OK. I just hope they don't stop there.
There's another thread going on about how Joel Osteen isn't a real preacher.
I mean, this could get crazy. I think Christians should support each other and not put each
other down. Also, though, there should be some growth. A person can't like this music forever.
Do you agree with that?
Fran
I did say that we all have our own way of getting to God.
In time, though, I think a person would grow out of that.
If it helps someone get to God, OK. I just hope they don't stop there.
There's another thread going on about how Joel Osteen isn't a real preacher.
I mean, this could get crazy. I think Christians should support each other and not put each
other down. Also, though, there should be some growth. A person can't like this music forever.
Do you agree with that?
Fran
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Jesus took righteous anger to turn over the tables and run out vendors from the temple. He referred to religious people as a brood of vipers and other disparaging terms.
Gentle in nature does not mean some peace loving hippy.
God is a God of love, but also wrath and judgement. He is jealous. He has anger. He has hatred (some sins are abominations).
Passion is a good quality.
How can we be 'all things to all men' sitting in our pews singing only trite, cliche, uninspired music that has been approved by the spiritual hierarchy.
Jesus was also a rebel that bucked the system and spoke against people setting religious rules and telling others what they deem is appropriate.
There are some very passionate, bold Christian bands that proclaim Christ in front of bar patrons, at secular clubs. Reaching out to the 'low lifes' that get kicked out of many churches. Funny, I seem to remember Jesus going out to the worst sinners and offering hope too.
So many modern Christians have such a warped view that Christians fit inside this religious bubble and everything has to be calm and peaceful and happy. It's not biblical. The bible is full of every emotion imaginable. It's full of lovers, but also warrior. Great Kings and tortured martyrs.
To label Jesus as this peace loving hippy that's always gentle and that anything that isn't gentle doesn't reflect Jesus is entirely unbiblical.
I didn't not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Jesus felt joy, sadness, fear, anger. Taking away Any if those qualities is a disservice to the sacrifice of 33 years he spent on this earth and reduces him to just another idol religious figure.
I, for one, refuse to ignore Christ's passion and emotions in the name of Churchianity. I have listened to Christian metal since before I was saved and will do so until I die.
I have also witnessed salvation at these concerts. I've seen worship. Prayers. Declaration of faith. I've been uplifted and encouraged. I've been able to feel that, during difficult times, I'm not alone in how I feel. I've learned biblical lessons and stories. All through Christian metal. Good luck convincing me this is ungodly or not a reflection of Jesus. It is more of a reflection of Jesus than the commercial garbage and happy thinking that represents churches and modern worship today. Give me genuine, with all the good and bad that comes with it, over a spiritual version of politically correct any day.
Gentle in nature does not mean some peace loving hippy.
God is a God of love, but also wrath and judgement. He is jealous. He has anger. He has hatred (some sins are abominations).
Passion is a good quality.
How can we be 'all things to all men' sitting in our pews singing only trite, cliche, uninspired music that has been approved by the spiritual hierarchy.
Jesus was also a rebel that bucked the system and spoke against people setting religious rules and telling others what they deem is appropriate.
There are some very passionate, bold Christian bands that proclaim Christ in front of bar patrons, at secular clubs. Reaching out to the 'low lifes' that get kicked out of many churches. Funny, I seem to remember Jesus going out to the worst sinners and offering hope too.
So many modern Christians have such a warped view that Christians fit inside this religious bubble and everything has to be calm and peaceful and happy. It's not biblical. The bible is full of every emotion imaginable. It's full of lovers, but also warrior. Great Kings and tortured martyrs.
To label Jesus as this peace loving hippy that's always gentle and that anything that isn't gentle doesn't reflect Jesus is entirely unbiblical.
I didn't not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Jesus felt joy, sadness, fear, anger. Taking away Any if those qualities is a disservice to the sacrifice of 33 years he spent on this earth and reduces him to just another idol religious figure.
I, for one, refuse to ignore Christ's passion and emotions in the name of Churchianity. I have listened to Christian metal since before I was saved and will do so until I die.
I have also witnessed salvation at these concerts. I've seen worship. Prayers. Declaration of faith. I've been uplifted and encouraged. I've been able to feel that, during difficult times, I'm not alone in how I feel. I've learned biblical lessons and stories. All through Christian metal. Good luck convincing me this is ungodly or not a reflection of Jesus. It is more of a reflection of Jesus than the commercial garbage and happy thinking that represents churches and modern worship today. Give me genuine, with all the good and bad that comes with it, over a spiritual version of politically correct any day.