Beatles.

Jakob · May 13, 2016

I love the Beatles.
Many think that John was an atheist, which I understand by the comment "we are bigger than Jesus Christ"
yet not many people have researched it (like a nerd like me haha)
It was taken out of contest, what he did say was "we mean more to kids in the US, than God or whatever is out there does. More young people listen to us than going to church"
As in, it's wrong, and he felt uncomfortable.
He also had a phase before he died where he wanted to make a Christian album. Yoko convinced him that he was going nuts, and she deleted the album before publishing.
Only a few tracks have been restored like "help me to help myself" and "save my soul"
Which are on YouTube.
Anyway, my questions is:
What is your memories with the Beatles?
What is your opinion about them?
Do you think their lyrics have wisdom in them? Like let it be: "mother Mary comes to me" which Paul sang.

Jakob · May 13, 2016

I wanted to show a pic I just took from my iPhone of my Beatles collection, but I don't know how I can transfer it. anyway haha

Willie-T · May 13, 2016

Very few people seem to understand what educated and advanced musicians they were.

JosephsDreams · May 13, 2016

I can barely remember them from when they were actually still together. But one of the first memories I do have is my mom playing the radio when I was in the car, and I wanna hold your hand came on. I think that was 1964.
Being 11 in 1970, I can recall more, especially their break up being all over the news. A friend of mine told me his mom was sad about it. But there are people here who are older then me who can relate this better then me.
I like American pop and rock music, along with many other forms, like jazz, dance, some country and western, some techno and even classical.
But I am not a ardent fan or historian or any of them. I probably don't know more then the average person, maybe even less.I am saying that because I have had conversations with some people who say the Beatles were overrated (as well as Elvis for that matter), and that Led Zepplin was much better, and that the Beach Boys Pet sounds was just as good and revolutionary as Sgt. Peppers. Or even the Rolling Stones being as good if not better then the Beatles.
I guess some of it is a matter of taste. As far as the technical aspects about mastery of instruments, composing, timing, mixing, fitting everything together, etc. I am lost. I only played a baritone for about 3 years in 4th to 6th grade, and have long forgotten just about all of it.
So I can't go there.
All I can say is that there impact on society and music is undeniable, and I doubt they could have achieved it if they did not know what they were doing. I don't think genius would be a inappropriate word to describe them.

MadParrotWoman · May 13, 2016

I like their ballads but only their ballads but TBH I preferred their mid 70's solo work and George Harrison was underrated.

I think John Lennon had a belief of sorts as do many Liverpudlians - they are just across the water from Ireland. I don't believe any of the Beatles had given their lives to Christ and in the latter stages of being together I believe they considered Hinduism.

Actually I thought the Beach Boys to be far superior.

B1Davanda · May 13, 2016

There's a 'Lonely Hearts Club' thread, started by our good brother tourist,
on it, I recently posted the 'Sgt. Pepper' album for everyone's listening pleasure.

I like the Beatles, and I think I understand them more now in my fifties than I did when I was your age, not 'saved' I guess, and listened to them, alot.

But I still get conflicted because those days my music listening was associated with and accompanied by a lot of 'extra-curriculars' that thankfully the Lord has spared me from, (still not sure why, I still haven't ever helped anyone or accomplished anything in life, and am still single and alone, so I sometimes wonder what it is I'm supposed to be doing now) but anyway, when I listen to my old stuff now, it can tend to draw me back to times that for me were just self-indulgent, though I didn't see it that way then, and I can get a bit melancholy about it all.

But the musicianship, the talent, the composition, from some of that music back then has never been repeated, and I guess it never will, and there was a window of perhaps 15-20 years where there was soooo much that musically exploded from both England and the U.S. at the same time it was incredible, and many people have no idea what they missed, and sadly much of it has been lost or faded to obscurity.

Much of what is called music today is ..... well, I won't say it, argh.
At your age and believing in Jesus and liking the Beatles as well has you at an advantage to be able to appreciate music from a broader perspective and be protected from some of the negative or perhaps hopelessness that can be associated with some of it.

But the message of peace and love was there, and I miss that, but there was alot of craziness mixed in, and as you know, there is no true and lasting love and peace without the God of Love and the Prince of Peace, our Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you, and if you ever want to talk a bit of tunes from that era, feel free to pm sometime.
If you like the Beatles, I'll post something else you might like from then that's a bit obscure...talented with a real nice sound. Stay tuned.....

B1Davanda · May 13, 2016

Here...not exactly 'Beatles-esque', but something you might like
Lead singer has an excellent voice and range,
and is really talented, as they all are.
Just a real nice band with their own sound,
and not the only thing I miss these days. *_*
[video=youtube;arDLgz3KHYA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arDLgz3KHYA&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]

Ultimatum77 · May 13, 2016

I don't care for them the beatles that is....

one person I knew told me they sing about the "fruits of the Spirit" I used the Bible and showed him how wrong he was......he got offended but the truth hurts.

their songs of Love were not about true love but just sexual love and they emblazened the hippie movement which was nothing but started the ball rolling down hill for modern society to where we are today.....

The Beatles were conduits for eastern mysticism to pervert the west and degrade Christianity....they came over here to India to study under hindu yogis (priests) and implement that philosophy and demonic hindu philosophy (which is a derivation of ancient mystery babylonian religion (think Nimrod etc)) and put it in there music....this was called a "british invasion" but in reality it was a "spiritual invasion" carefully orchestrated by social elites to erode the Christian foundation of western nations especially America.

They have documented that many of the songs they created where when they were either drugged or under the influence of a spirit medium they consulted to help them write songs....aka spontaneous writing where you invoke demons to help you write a lyrics or play a certain chord progression....

For example the song Lucy in the sky with diamonds sounds all cute and cuddly until you peel back the layers....
lucy is another term some in satanism use to refer to lucifer and if you read in Isaiah it talks of lucifer being adorned with all sorts of jewels (diamond is a type of jewel). So in essence the song may be saying "look at lucifer in the sky"
plus the reference to a girl with kaleidoscope eyes may be a reference to a demon/demon possession as demons can change the shape of people's eyes especially the iris/pupil.....

Imagine all the people song by John lennon.....is an anti-God song and was actually a piece of propaganda being spewed by their controllers to advocate a world without borders and mass acceptance (which is where modern society is heading) to this so called "one world utopia" but the reality is it is no utopia but totalitarian control and repression of ideas that comes about....

The so called peace symbol that was prevalent back then and embraced in hippieism.....is a symbol of satanic witchcraft called the "crows foot" it is also used to show a broken cross (reference to Jesus) in a magic circle.....so when you wear this symbol or make the two finger peace sign (another version of the "rockon symbol when really it is the baphomet(satan horn god) reference) you are in essence hexing yourself with a curse originating from your own actions.

There album colors are filled with hidden esoteric symbolism as well.....

Needless to say there will be those who will be offended by my post...guess what I don't care....my job is not to be pc but to try to speak the truth as much as possible....if you like the beatles and enjoy listening to them that is your choice and between you and God.....but I don't care for them. I also examine music differently then just words and sound before i endorse/listen to an artist.....music is always a conduit trying to send you a message either directly or subliminally....its our job to figure out what that message is and if it lines up with the Bible.

tanakh · May 13, 2016

Jakob said:

It is alleged that Paul McCartney said he wrote'Let it Be' during the time when the Beatles were about to split up, and he was struggling with the prospect of leaving the group. He said his mother(Mary), appeared in a dream and said to him ''Let it Be Lad'' and that made him decide to leave. Whether this is true or not I have no idea. It is a good song through.

The first time I heard a Beatles recording was in 1962 when a friend had a copy of 'Love Me Do' and asked me what I thought of this 'new group'. I wasn't impressed at the time but became a fan when 'She Loves You' was released the following year. I haved only seen Paul McCartney. He was with his daughter Stella t a suburban Rail Station back in 2009.

BeyondET · May 13, 2016

Cool post

when I was around 15 yrs old i learned how to play blackbird. It's played finger picking style the Travis pick...
I've always enjoyed playing this song

[video=youtube;kRgtyUEhLgA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRgtyUEhLgA[/video]

BeyondET · May 13, 2016

[video=youtube;xBVAoc5uzEM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBVAoc5uzEM[/video]

BeyondET · May 13, 2016

[video=youtube;bgiQD56eWDk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgiQD56eWDk[/video]

MadParrotWoman · May 13, 2016

BeyondET said:

"Lord" is Reference to Hare Krishna[FONT=arial, sans-serif].
Yeah they dabbled.[/FONT]

BeyondET · May 13, 2016

Ultimatum77 said:

i agree some songs do reference to other beliefs take the song I posted (my sweet lord) since you live in India you know more about or heard of the Hare Krishna as far as know it's a peaceful religion,, not like some that are down right evil the one that is killing babies and people that don't conform to their idea's... How can a baby conform who doesn't even understand what speech is,, it is sickening indeed...

You mentioned (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) me living in America and knowing the culture of the sixties this song isn't about what you mention not the least bit. some of the members of the band got caught up in the drug scene and this is what the song is about the drug LSD hence Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. It's nothing more than that not some demon meaning behind it. drugs are not good but to say it means all that you say tells me you know nothing about it sorry if I'm being mean or anything I'm sorry but people are so caught up with the conspiracy crap they end up being lost them selves and get pulled into this nonsense I'm not saying you are my friend by no means I'm just saying in general...

tanakh · May 13, 2016

Ultimatum77 said:

You are not speaking the truth. The Beatles like many of their contempories were influenced by the American Pop of the fifties. In particular Elvis Presley and Buddy Holly whose recordings I have loved since I first heard them age 14. The earliest 'Beatle' recording was of Paul McCartney singing That ll' be the day into a home tape recorder around 1957. He owns the copyright of a number of Holly songs.

The Drug Culture and the whole Hippy scene of the sixties was partly due to the influence of the Bohemians, Pre Raphaelites and the Art and crafts movement of the 19th century. Artists such as Dante Rossetti and Elizabeth Siddel
were into drugs as was many others in the 19th century. Another major influence was the Anti Vietnam War movement'
Going back to your tirade about the Beatles. The song Lucy in the sky was inspired by a picture painted by a nursery classmate of John Lennon's Son Julian. The name Lucy is short for Lucinda. Many of the Beatles lyrics started off as
parts of Newspaper Stories. some examples are A Day in the life and Shes leaving home. Another major influence on their music was their producer George Martin who died recently. As someone who actually spent their teens in the sixties
I feel perhaps I may have a little more knowledge to contribute although I am far from being an expert on the subject.

BeyondET · May 13, 2016

tanakh said:

You are not speaking the truth. The Beatles like many of their contempories were influenced by the American Pop of the fifties. In particular Elvis Presley and Buddy Holly whose recordings I have loved since I first heard them age 14. The earliest 'Beatle' recording was of Paul McCartney singing That ll' be the day into a home tape recorder around 1957. He owns the copyright of a number of Holly songs.

The Drug Culture and the whole Hippy scene of the sixties was partly due to the influence of the Bohemians, Pre Raphaelites and the Art and crafts movement of the 19th century. Artists such as Dante Rossetti and Elizabeth Siddel
were into drugs as was many others in the 19th century. Another major influence was the Anti Vietnam War movement'
Going back to your tirade about the Beatles. The song Lucy in the sky was inspired by a picture painted by a nursery classmate of John Lennon's Son Julian. The name Lucy is short for Lucinda. Many of the Beatles lyrics started off as
parts of Newspaper Stories. some examples are A Day in the life and Shes leaving home. Another major influence on their music was their producer George Martin who died recently. As someone who actually spent their teens in the sixties
I feel perhaps I may have a little more knowledge to contribute although I am far from being an expert on the subject.

Huh why thanks for the info I always thought it was about LSD and the affects of it hehehe..

BeyondET · May 13, 2016

Your a wise man tanakh excuse me for my lack of knowledge on the song I just assumed all the years interesting indeed.. Now I can listen to song and feel better about it

JosephsDreams · May 13, 2016

I read a book about 10 years ago on the history of illegal drug use in America from the 1880's onward. I don't have access to it, so I can't be as specific as I like to, but essentially drug use has been around since then, when the industrial revolution and science began to produce and distribute drugs that were being made and synthesized. It was then made illegal, I think it was in the 19 teens, and then the twenties with prohibition took the focus off it. The thirties and the depression again made it hard for people to buy them. Most of the forties were about the war and getting back to a normal economy and life afterwards. Finally drug use started to again proliferate again in the fifties. The Beatles and all of rock and roll sometimes get a bad rap in saying that they are responsible for the rise of drug use in America, the world.
While I will not deny there is a connection, it is extremely unlikely this country would be drug free if there was never rock and roll. It probably would have played out differently, and that story might even make a good fantasy book or alternate reality movie, but aside from that, who doubts we still be in the same place today.

JosephsDreams · May 13, 2016

For that matter as I am thinking about it, most sociologists agree that the thirties with the depression and forties with the war interrupted a few social movements, among then woman's rights. And that the war and TV help spurn other movements like civil rights. Nothing ever happens in a vacuum, and ideas and movements help influence other ideas and paradigm shifts.

tanakh · May 13, 2016

BeyondET said:

thanks for the reply though I don't consider myself wise by any standard. Your assumption regarding the song is almost universal because of the title ie lucy in the Skies with Diamonds. John Lennon was a genius at manipulating ideas and lyrics and he used a child's painting with stars in the sky to produce the song.

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