Instrumental music in worship?

[Sirderp]

Perhaps an comparison will answer your question. You used a computer to ask this question. You used the internet. Neither are mentioned in scripture as acceptable means of learning or inquiry. So by your logic, you are sinning. Does this make sense to you? Is it consistent with the character of God as revealed in Scripture? No; clearly not.

A better way to interpret Scripture is to take literally what it literally says, and to take lightly what it does not say. Otherwise anyone can make the Scripture support or prohibit just about anything, because it is not specifically addressed. This is not adding to Scripture, because it is not claiming that whatever issue is addressed; rather it is taking what is clear and applying it with consistency to what is not clear.

God specifys how we are to worship (in spirit, sing, lords supper, etc)

God does not specify how to go and peach the word (mark 6:15)

But he says do all things through his authority (Colossians 3:17 in the name of the lord a.k.a. By his authority) if he doesn't authorize it in his worship (through scripture) the it is sin

 

[Sirderp]

Wow, can't believe you seriously answered, but read the question again. MUTE!
Can't talk to them about the bible! Also, how do you sign a melody?
Also, can you tap your feet to the music, or is that considered drumming? Also,
Can you do that thing where you hold one nostril and tap the other while humming through it?

No where in the bible does it say we can use instruments so no you can't.... Use sign language to communicate (I went to a lesson tonight where the preachers wife was deaf and he signed to she while a guest speaker preached) you can't tap feet as an addition to the music ... No you can't hum with your nose .... The bible only specifys singing

 

[Sirderp]

What does that mean. What new law? Can you be specific? And where does the ban on instrumental music come from?

Romans 7:4-6 we are not under the old law .... That which was given to Moses (Ten Commandments and the whole sacrifice and sabbath and such)

 

[posthuman]

No where does it say we are to (revelations 22:17) we are not to add

"nowhere" ??

except literally all throughout the Psalms . . ??

Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
(Colossians 3:16-17)


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[posthuman]

Romans 7:4-6 we are not under the old law .... That which was given to Moses (Ten Commandments and the whole sacrifice and sabbath and such)

so you agree that you are made free, not being subject to feasts and holy days, not being required to bring offerings or to subject yourself to restrictive regulations of food and clothing as signs of separation,

but at the same time you think you have been made subject to an even greater burden of law without any precedent or by any command other than human regulation, that prohibits you from doing the good that is written in the Law and the Psalms?

sure sounds like "will worship" and "false humility" to me ((re: Colossians 2))

dude, i believe you are taken captive by vain, hollow, deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and not on the truth of God.

 

[Sirderp]

"nowhere" ??

except literally all throughout the Psalms . . ??

Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
(Colossians 3:16-17)
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But we aren't under the old law (view previous comments) .... And in the new law it tells us to sing and it never says instrumental music

 

[emjcares]

You haven't lived yet till you've heard Amazing Grace
accompanied by an All-Kazoo Orchestra.

(No, I haven't yet either)

But I HAVE participated in a rollicking, folk-music version of it,
and it was really fun and awe-inspiring, and I believe Jesus was pleased.

 

[Sirderp]

You haven't lived yet till you've heard Amazing Grace
accompanied by an All-Kazoo Orchestra.

(No, I haven't yet either)

But I HAVE participated in a rollicking, folk-music version of it,
and it was really fun and awe-inspiring, and I believe Jesus was pleased.

Leviticus 10:1-3 (Aaron's sons give strange fire and God kills them for it) 2samuel 6:3-7 (Uzah tries to steady the arch of the covenant while it is sinfully be transported by cart and oxen and the lord strikes him dead for touching it)
Both of these cases people are doing things for the "glory of God" and are killed because the so called "glory" is sin... God is not glorified by sin .... If you loved God (yes I'm saying you don't truly love God) you would do what he says not what you want John 14:15

 

[posthuman]

But we aren't under the old law (view previous comments) .... And in the new law it tells us to sing and it never says instrumental music

show me where it says in the scripture "whatever is not specifically authorized by the new testament epistles is hereby taboo"

the concept of law is restrictive
not being subject to it is permissive

but what your COC people have taught you is that being made free from the restrictive commandments is even more restrictive than those who were actually under such laws. you don't see the irony there?

they've imposed on you laws that were never given by God.
but at the same time they are eating pork, wearing mixed-fiber clothing, ignoring the feasts given to Israel, etc -- all things indicating the freedom from written command -- and they are also doing all kinds of things that have no specific authorization, like using AC, the internet, microphones, cars, electric lights and appliances.

you will say, "by extension of other things these things are permissible" -- but by direct extension of what is more or less a command to sing psalms you are being taught by these men that you cannot do the things actually written in the Psalms ?

Paul writes twice in the epistles that we should sing hymns and spiritual songs.
the biggest book in the Bible is a hymn book.
put two and two together, buddy.

 

[Sirderp]

show me where it says in the scripture "whatever is not specifically authorized by the new testament epistles is hereby taboo"

the concept of law is restrictive
not being subject to it is permissive

but what your COC people have taught you is that being made free from the restrictive commandments is even more restrictive than those who were actually under such laws. you don't see the irony there?

they've imposed on you laws that were never given by God.
but at the same time they are eating pork, wearing mixed-fiber clothing, ignoring the feasts given to Israel, etc -- all things indicating the freedom from written command -- and they are also doing all kinds of things that have no specific authorization, like using AC, the internet, microphones, cars, electric lights and appliances.

you will say, "by extension of other things these things are permissible" -- but by direct extension of what is more or less a command to sing psalms you are being taught by these men that you cannot do the things actually written in the Psalms ?

Paul writes twice in the epistles that we should sing hymns and spiritual songs.
the biggest book in the Bible is a hymn book.
put two and two together, buddy.

Not under old law again for half of your points ..... Being a faithful Christian isn't easy and there are lots of rules (all are instructions for a perfect life) but we knew its not easy by Matthew 7:13-14 but it is not impossible and it is not grievous
1john 5:3

 

[BruceWayne]

I know people who attend that church. They say the same thing lol. It can't legitimately be backed up with scripture. If someone is making a joyful noise to God, whether that be with their voice or an instrument or whatever, then let them be. God knows their heart. It isn't a sin. They aren't doing anything wrong.

 

[posthuman]

Not under old law again for half of your points .....

let me try to tell you again:

the law is restrictive

not being under the law is permissive

the law tells you what you cannot do -- it is not a list of things that are permissible; it is a list of things that are not allowed.
if you are not under the law then you are not given a list of things that are "OK"

this thing you keep saying, "not under the law" is not an answer at all. it is upside-down -- you're just showing that your concept of what a "law" is is utterly wrong. these people have you all mixed-up.

show me where it says, "here is a list of things that are OK to do, and everything not in this list is evil from now on"
not even under Moses is such a thing given.

 

[Sirderp]

I know people who attend that church. They say the same thing lol. It can't legitimately be backed up with scripture. If someone is making a joyful noise to God, whether that be with their voice or an instrument or whatever, then let them be. God knows their heart. It isn't a sin. They aren't doing anything wrong.

If the bible doesn't back it up then it is sin plain and simple .... And God is not a respect or of persons James 2:1 , 2:11 / 2:12 ... God isn't a respect or of persons / if you only sin on one part you are guilty of all / we are judged by the law and the law condemns things added and instrumental music is added

 

[posthuman]

Sirdep,

in your own words, please define "freedom"

 

[Miri]

Psalm 150:1-6 NKJV
[1] Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
[2] Praise Him for His mighty acts; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness!
[3] Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; Praise Him with the lute and harp!
[4] Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
[5] Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with clashing cymbals!
[6] Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!



1 Corinthians 14:6-8 NKJV
[6] But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless
I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?
[7] Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless
they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
[8] For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle?



Revelation 14:1-2 NKJV
[1] Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him
one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.
[2] And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice
of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps.



Nuff said, some nonsense isn't worth discussing and further.

 

[posthuman]

If the bible doesn't back it up then it is sin plain and simple ....

the Bible "doesn't back up" this human ban on musical instruments.
plain and simple.

 

[Sirderp]

Sirdep,

in your own words, please define "freedom"

"The quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous " Websters is fine with me

 

[posthuman]

It is for freedom that Christ has set us free.​

Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
(Galatians 5:1) ​

 

[Sirderp]

Psalm 150:1-6 NKJV
[1] Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty firmament!
[2] Praise Him for His mighty acts; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness!
[3] Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet; Praise Him with the lute and harp!
[4] Praise Him with the timbrel and dance; Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
[5] Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with clashing cymbals!
[6] Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!



1 Corinthians 14:6-8 NKJV
[6] But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless
I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching?
[7] Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless
they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
[8] For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle?



Revelation 14:1-2 NKJV
[1] Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him
one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads.
[2] And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice
of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps.



Nuff said, some nonsense isn't worth discussing and further.

The psalm is under Old law ..... 1corinthians is saying "if I come in a language you don't understand what good does it do, or if you go to war and the trumpet doesn't make its correct noise how will you know to attack?" (Paraphrasing of course) but it isn't discussing worship .... And revelation is being metaphorical (four horseman and such)

 

[BruceWayne]

If the bible doesn't back it up then it is sin plain and simple .... And God is not a respect or of persons James 2:1 , 2:11 / 2:12 ... God isn't a respect or of persons / if you only sin on one part you are guilty of all / we are judged by the law and the law condemns things added and instrumental music is added