Toby mac's music brought to question

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weakendsoul1983

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Im not sure this has been covered or even how old the page is i found but. There was a page dedicated to bashing on toby mac. And with him being a big part of christian music i figured this would be the best place for this topic. But the page went on to say his music was of evil than good a wolf in sheeps clothing if you will. I would link the page in question but not sure im allowed to but just wandering how everyone els views this that knows what im referring to. I have listened to toby mac and dont like the bashing of his name but i also know the devil can use many forms of trickery to gain people to his side. I apologize if this thread comes off rude or argumentative or anything but looking for some input and will and can link the page if im allowed to do so.
 
NarrowRoadDisciple

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Well when we listen to music we must use discernment. Satan can and does use music to get into the church.
I guess the biggest question is this... how much are we trying to look and sound like the world?
Lyrics aside, are the beats and music itself pleasing to God? Is it trying to sound like the world?
What is the spiritual state of the artist you are listening to? What do they believe in and preach?

Remember, music is powerful beyond what most people know. Lucifer was the covering angel and the first sound of the morning. As God was talking to him when addressing the King of Tyre, he was made perfect in his creation and the timbret and pipes were created for him when he was created. As Lucifer fell and became Satan, he remains a spiritual being and did not lose this influence.

Key, we must use discernment when it comes to music. It's not about if the music sounds good to us, but it's about if God wants us listening to it. Put on the new man, and walk in the light of God :) We do not desire what we previously desired, but we do desire to be pleasing to God in our lives and conduct.
 
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And Narrow does your post mean to assume God prefers certain instruments over others? Are drum beats of the devil or something?
 
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weakendsoul1983 said:
Im not sure this has been covered or even how old the page is i found but. There was a page dedicated to bashing on toby mac. And with him being a big part of christian music i figured this would be the best place for this topic. But the page went on to say his music was of evil than good a wolf in sheeps clothing if you will. I would link the page in question but not sure im allowed to but just wandering how everyone els views this that knows what im referring to. I have listened to toby mac and dont like the bashing of his name but i also know the devil can use many forms of trickery to gain people to his side. I apologize if this thread comes off rude or argumentative or anything but looking for some input and will and can link the page if im allowed to do so.
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Links are acceptable if its in relation to a topic. And as long as the page has no cussing, nudity, etc... Also no soliciting links are allowed. Assuming the link you're referring to is a ''christian'' site, i'm assuming there's no language or anything of the sort, so sounds like the link should be acceptable.

I'm going to take a guess its the jesus-is-lord website. As that one seems to come up every so often do to their extreme views.

I'm not a fan of Toby Mac, but as far as i know there's nothing evil about his music. There are just some people out there that think everything is evil. Really, what you consider acceptable to listen to is a personal decision between you and God and is no one elses business. If your conscience is clear, and the music doesn't show any negative effect on you then feel free to listen.

I struggled that way with secular music for years. I went on and off it. I mostly stick to what i consider Christian music now, though i will play some secular stuff on occasion. Mostly older stuff from what i was younger. I can see the negative effects of too much secular music on me now though.
 
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I just went to that jesus-is-lord site...wow, pretty sad stuff
 
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NarrowRoadDisciple said:
Well when we listen to music we must use discernment. Satan can and does use music to get into the church.
I guess the biggest question is this... how much are we trying to look and sound like the world?
Lyrics aside, are the beats and music itself pleasing to God? Is it trying to sound like the world?
What is the spiritual state of the artist you are listening to? What do they believe in and preach?

Remember, music is powerful beyond what most people know. Lucifer was the covering angel and the first sound of the morning. As God was talking to him when addressing the King of Tyre, he was made perfect in his creation and the timbret and pipes were created for him when he was created. As Lucifer fell and became Satan, he remains a spiritual being and did not lose this influence.

Key, we must use discernment when it comes to music. It's not about if the music sounds good to us, but it's about if God wants us listening to it. Put on the new man, and walk in the light of God :) We do not desire what we previously desired, but we do desire to be pleasing to God in our lives and conduct.
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I have heard people talk about satan having something to do with music but never any biblical support. Do you have some? Otherwise what do you base this on, extrabiblical sources?
 
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NarrowRoadDisciple said:
Well when we listen to music we must use discernment. Satan can and does use music to get into the church.
I guess the biggest question is this... how much are we trying to look and sound like the world?
Lyrics aside, are the beats and music itself pleasing to God? Is it trying to sound like the world?
What is the spiritual state of the artist you are listening to? What do they believe in and preach?

Remember, music is powerful beyond what most people know. Lucifer was the covering angel and the first sound of the morning. As God was talking to him when addressing the King of Tyre, he was made perfect in his creation and the timbret and pipes were created for him when he was created. As Lucifer fell and became Satan, he remains a spiritual being and did not lose this influence.

Key, we must use discernment when it comes to music. It's not about if the music sounds good to us, but it's about if God wants us listening to it. Put on the new man, and walk in the light of God :) We do not desire what we previously desired, but we do desire to be pleasing to God in our lives and conduct.
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Amen! I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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DinoDillinger said:
I have heard people talk about satan having something to do with music but never any biblical support. Do you have some? Otherwise what do you base this on, extrabiblical sources?
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Ezekiel 28:13 hints on Satan having to do with music.
 
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THis is the part of NarrowRoad's post I question "Lyrics aside, are the beats and music itself pleasing to God?" What does this even mean? Is 4/4 time ok? what about 2/3 I mean how can one even begin to quantify that?
 
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There was a time when certain instruments were of the devil. Some believe they still are, but it's much less common now. There was a time when certain keys were banned from church music because of the emotion evoked by it. I think this is absurd. Read the psalms and take note of all the instruments used.
Do you know the origin of three part harmony? It was popularized by the church to represent the trinity.
Music can be used by God--every instrument, every rhythm, every tempo and beat, every style and volume...
 
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Challenge:
Pick any song you know with lyrics, even dirty rap, and we can show you how the Set Apart Spirit has used symbolism to inspire all music, which really belongs to YHWH, even a part of Him.

1. You must be able to realize that profanity is an intent, not a list of words. Get over it.
In older days, you'd "go to hell" for saying words that are totally benign today.
2. You must believe that the Father is always undermining satan and man's works.
And quite honestly, why wouldn't He?

Example: (a tough one, most are very easy)
"Blaas Jou Vuvuzela" (blow your trumpet, a feast of trumpets reference)
An pop song with dutch/afrikaans slang by presumably non-believers. HIJACKED by the Spirit.
Video, afrikaans/english translation here:
http://www.1earthadventures.com/2010/06/25/the-net-now/blaas-jou-vuvuzela-blow-your-vuvuzela-lyrics-translated/
What the spirit says (and sorry it's sometimes hard to get the point out, you gotta "feel" it.
Translation:
"Hello betrothed, before I pour out my spirit upon you,
tell me, do you know how to make the offering?
I desire mercy, not sacrifice.
Build wisdom
Testify
Bear fruit"

"Fulfillment of Torah upon spiritual government:
The children's food is almost ready
My priestly garments are on (re: tzitzi/wings/hem)
I am ready to follow"

"Oooh, blow my trumpet
do it for the almond branch
squeeze many seeds from the fruit
give me feet like fine brass"

"The enemy has been conquered
victory
rejoice
all ye nations"

"Rejoice tonight
it's about time
I'll bring wisdom - applied
Be fruitful"

"It's the Lamb and the seasoning
bring wisdom for action and testimony for starting fire
behold, a period of division concerning works
(sizzle sound)
I give the calf/ox a good sizzle
Hold fast
I Am YHWH, all powerful, which was and is and is to come
Without effort, I overthrow unclean sacrifice"

"So come on lets set... the fire roaring
I want meat sacrificed, and wine served
Fear not, for I am with you
Graced by YHWH and leader of an army
I serve with my best effort at righteousness
Come get this food
Graced by YHWH and leader of an army
with a great thirsty brotherhood"

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All will be revealed.
 
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NarrowRoadDisciple

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Nautilus said:
THis is the part of NarrowRoad's post I question "Lyrics aside, are the beats and music itself pleasing to God?" What does this even mean? Is 4/4 time ok? what about 2/3 I mean how can one even begin to quantify that?
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What I meant by that is this. Are the beats used by a culture or people that does not profess God and worship other gods with their music? Do they use the beats to evoke a sense of carnality or set up such a spiritual environment.

I didn't mean specific time parameters and how notes fall within them such as Common time, 3/4, etc. Hope that clears it up :)


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Not all music is used to worship and please God. In fact Satan infiltrates the church with music. You seem to draw out meaning in music when it isn't in there as you've done in several other threads. It's not about how we "feel" about anything. We no longer run about and are led by our emotions, but we put on the new man and are now spirit led in everything we have in life. Oftentimes this requires us to sacrifice what we once liked before as we come to understand what is pleasing or displeasing to God as guided by the Holy Spirit. However this is ok because the Lord will never lead us astray and knows what will fill us in a Godly way :)
 
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I like Toby Mac and can't really find any fault in him. Maybe I'm not spiritually discerning enough. I just don't see or hear anything wrong with his music.

I don't care a lot about the beat of music. I care a lot more about the lyrics. Any Toby Mac song I have heard seems to have good lyrics. I find a lot to relate to in his songs.
 
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