"Dark" or "Heavy" Soundng Christian Music

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Tintin

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You are wrong.There is something called as symphony and melody.And nature does interact to sound music.The electrical disturbance produced by today's music(most of them) cause damage to a person's soul as well as damage to nature.And unaware for you,there is something called as musical therapy.In the book of Revelation when Christ with army of Saints and other heavenly hosts appear to everyone on earth for the war against satan and his fallen kingdom,the sound of many harps and trumpet is heard.Its not rock music mentioned there.Get things straight.Even if you listen to up beat co called christian music if it gives the tendency to be violent/uncomfy,there is no difference between that and listening to jay-z(a demon -possessed man) spitting out abusive words calling it music.
Look for what changes it brings to your heart and soul.It's that simple.And that means that even if you listen to old hymns its no use if your heart is not straight with God.I am talking from experience.It's god's demand and not ours.And i am happy that despite my protests he makes his will done in my life than my selfish desires.And we all walk in faith and Holy Bible is our reference.Holy Bible says that we should walk in humility and humbleness,and not in post-modern style no matter what you listen to or see when it happens despite our choice.If you are not able to do everything perfectly,try always.With God all things are possible when we take a step.

God Bless.
I'm reading a lot of words but there's not much being said. So you think modern music is dangerous to one's soul, even the Christian stuff?
 
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ji

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I'm reading a lot of words but there's not much being said. So you think modern music is dangerous to one's soul, even the Christian stuff?
Nope.If it didn't make sense is that always the the problem of the person who claimed it or could it be the person who was reading?No offence meant..
And please specify what is not being said much.I would like to correct myself.I see that you can correct me here.Can you Make it clear point by point?If not you need to sir.I am willing to change and correct myself for better.
God Bless.
 
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posthuman

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in the description of the new Elgibbor album "The Path of Suffering" by the producer, Shigionoth Records:

Shigionoth Records said:
As the title suggests this album was birthed out of pain and suffering, yet the focus of the lyrics on the album is not on the angst that life can bring but instead on the anchor of hope that our Savior is. It was a difficult time in the lives of the members of Elgibbor during the creation of this release, so much so that the lyrical content took on a life of its own. The writing process birthed not only Elgibbors best work to date but it helped the struggling members to gain footholds against the enemy attacks! Focusing their struggles to our one true hope in life Jesus Christ! Suffering is part of this life. God uses these trials to sharpen us, to hone us into Spirit Filled weapons forged in our suffering to conquer the advances of the enemy! This is Raw Epic Black Battle Metal! We are all involved in a spiritual battle. It's all around us every day. This new Raw Black Battle Metal sound is the sound of victory over the enemy! It is the sound of warriors on the battlefield! It is the sound of Christ working in our lives turning our painful struggles into joyous triumphs!
i find it cathartic, powerful, and both humbling in spirit and uplifting in it's ability to sonically erase the cares of the present world & turn my focus on the Almighty.
it is difficult to understand lyrics in bands like these, but that is why we have lyric booklets & i buy the physical copies. "let no one speak in tongues without an interpreter" -- and with those in hand, the experience of cuing on the singer's enunciation so that the singing becomes understandable to you is one of great focus and meditation, so that (particularly with Elgibbor, whose lyrics are by great majority entirely consisting of direct quotation from scripture) it becomes an intense concentration on the Word; it becomes prayer; it becomes true worship in the Spirit.

now that's not true of every 'christian metal band' -- and there is a time for every season. but that's the sort of thing for which i really love the heaviest of heavenly metals - and am truly thankful for their existence. "Worship Metal" is a real thing.

i know that's not for everyone. He will give us all a white stone with a name written on it that no one else but He knows.

 
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ji

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in the description of the new Elgibbor album "The Path of Suffering" by the producer, Shigionoth Records:

i find it cathartic, powerful, and both humbling in spirit and uplifting in it's ability to sonically erase the cares of the present world & turn my focus on the Almighty.
it is difficult to understand lyrics in bands like these, but that is why we have lyric booklets & i buy the physical copies. "let no one speak in tongues without an interpreter" -- and with those in hand, the experience of cuing on the singer's enunciation so that the singing becomes understandable to you is one of great focus and meditation, so that (particularly with Elgibbor, whose lyrics are by great majority entirely consisting of direct quotation from scripture) it becomes an intense concentration on the Word; it becomes prayer; it becomes true worship in the Spirit.

now that's not true of every 'christian metal band' -- and there is a time for every season. but that's the sort of thing for which i really love the heaviest of heavenly metals - and am truly thankful for their existence. "Worship Metal" is a real thing.

i know that's not for everyone. He will give us all a white stone with a name written on it that no one else but He knows.

You are in the wrong path.I am not saying,I am a very good man.But there is nothing black in God.
 

posthuman

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You are in the wrong path.I am not saying,I am a very good man.But there is nothing black in God.

OK. could you just point me at some "wholesome" singer that puts 1 Chronicles 29:10-13 to music? then i'll have a choice when it comes to what i play in the car during my commute! looking forward to it :)
i thanked God to hear one of his servants sing it in a song when i got the new Elgibbor album; i'd be overjoyed to hear another version!

perhaps you haven't read:

Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee;
but the night shineth as the day:
the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

(Psalms 139:12)

or maybe you didn't read

There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.
He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
(Psalm 18:8-11)


does Hillsong sing a version of those Psalms?
just kidding haha i know they don't. they sing songs that make people feel good.

but on the subject, "Sons of Korah" is a very talented group that sings a great number of Psalms, that you probably wont' be offended by.

let's be careful not to call the good work of the Holy Spirit "works of the devil" shall we?
 

posthuman

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when Christ with army of Saints and other heavenly hosts appear to everyone on earth for the war against satan and his fallen kingdom,the sound of many harps and trumpet is heard.Its not rock music mentioned there.
do tell what is the demeanor of a proper battle song, if it's not loud, triumphant and full of power?

aren't you and the record company of an unblack metal band describing exactly the same thing? re-read the quote from Shigionoth Records up there ^^
 
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ji

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do tell what is the demeanor of a proper battle song, if it's not loud, triumphant and full of power?

aren't you and the record company of an unblack metal band describing exactly the same thing? re-read the quote from Shigionoth Records up there ^^
Man,I am a guy who wanted to dress up in the new age fashion,tattoo my body with bible verses to express my Love of God.In course of time,i realized i was in the wrong path and i had to read and compare my self to scripture.Satan himself masquerades as the angle of Light.Even when you say praise the Lord and sin,demons will say amen to you.Am not excluding myself.Its what God looks for and not what is comfy for us.Don't think that rest of the world apart from western countries are living in mud huts.:).You don't see the present generation.They will outsmart the filth in your areas in coming times.
Sad to say.
Third Day:Cry out to Jesus.That's a song with upbeat Christian approach and yet proclaims Gospel.But get into an addiction or craving for playing musical instruments and not pray and meditate at all,you or i are not doing much for anything against spiritual warfare.There is a system that god has made and when we sway away a different lord starts ruling us.
And please tell me what is so special about this metal disturbance which throws away a man's sanity?
 
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let's be careful not to call the good work of the Holy Spirit "works of the devil" shall we?
You ever tried to end your life thinking you are not worthy to follow God?I did.But he didn't let me go.And guess what i found in the coming years.I was wrong about God and the hi-fi christian culture i dreamed till then.No matter how much i spit out bible verses,if i don't get straight with God I know i will never make it.
And about this metal stuff,i suggest you listen to some of the messages and testimonies of a guy named John Todd,an ex-illuminati.
Especially what he says about the origin of rock music.If you think i am joking,don't bother.I get the answer that you want to play rebel just like i was some time back.Every time Christians forget their duty to pray satan brings more filth into the world.In some years something more psychotic would be implemented and given a christian touch.I wont be surprised if you protest then,because in course of time if we are in God we grow more and see things more clearly.

And regarding sons of korah,if they sing beautifully and have lost zeal of God in their heart they will not make it.If i preach and don't practice i won't make it.
"But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter"
satan knows more bible verse than you know.Do you know that?

Every song,no matter where its from check it with God.And if you feel you're right in using them for meditation and worship,and will remain in that stand till your life ends then its because you confirm that it is Holy Spirit guided.But in the end if you are proven wrong then you will realize God's standards were different.God has no part in any culture or any sect.He came in flesh to redeem us to teach and take us to his sanctuary where the culture is universal.That's how we know in the end.And if you are sure about what you are doing,you will lead others also to follow.And if you are wrong,then you have to answer for deluding them too.
God Bless:)
 

posthuman

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Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
(1 Corinthians 12:3)

we're not talking about motorhead or sepultura here. we're talking about men and women who confess with their mouths that Jesus is Lord, who publicly declare God's sovereignty and who set the very words of scripture to music, and who when they write songs by their own hand, write songs that glorify God and proclaim His salvation through Jesus Christ. you'll forgive me if i don't reject them simply because of their tone of voice.

guess why Psalm 117 is hidden in my heart as a melody? its not because of 3rd day or Rebecca St. James. it's because of an obscure handful of men that call themselves Deuteronomium that play their drums and guitars with all their might, and dedicate their measly two mites as a service to the Lord.
why do I know Jeremiah 15:19-21 by heart? because a weird little Polish man who used to be a satanist had a miraculous conversion, fell on his face before the living God, and turned and self-produced 15+ albums of anti-satanic, Christ-focused heavy metal, none of which have sold 100 copies, never once watering down his message or his music to appeal to a larger crowd.

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
(Psalm 119:11)

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving
(1 Timothy 4:4)

should we take a man that proclaims the word of God, approved by good works and service and put him in the back of the church or up in the balcony because he has dirty, ratty clothes? how will God judge those that refused John the baptist because they thought his dress and diet was uncouth!?
so will we reject someone who comes speaking by the Holy Ghost & teaching Christ through the scripture if he has a gravelly voice and sometimes shouts? isn't this carnal judgment?

but they took the prophets and stoned them.

And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
(Mark 3:22)

Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
(John 7:24)



 

posthuman

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And regarding sons of korah,if they sing beautifully and have lost zeal of God in their heart they will not make it.If i preach and don't practice i won't make it.
no really, i think you'll like them. Australian folk gospel, the Word of God set to music:

[video=youtube_share;oJ00rNoKhDE]http://youtu.be/oJ00rNoKhDE[/video]

i'm not going to offend you by posting metal vids that will only be a stumbling block for you - those are for other people. but let me at least try to share something that can be a blessing in your heart! ♥

The heart knows its own bitterness, and no stranger shares its joy.
(Proverbs 14:10)

regarding their hearts and their walk, it's between them and the Lord. it doesn't affect me. but i know this:

Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

(Philippians 1:15-18)
 
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AgnusDei

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Music styles are subjective to each persons tastes, and their personal walk. Its between God and that person and its no one elses business. If you feel something is wrong, avoid it. But it doesn't make it wrong for everyone. The bible makes it clear there are areas in life that are up to each person, and two people, with differing opinions, are right, in their own walk.

Personally i've been listening to non-mainstream Christian music since i was saved, when i was 14. I was even listening to Stryper before that, haha. I currently have over 1500 albums of Christian music, mostly stuff that is not mainstream. Metal, punk, hardcore, techno, goth, reggae, rap, industrial, whatever floats my goat in a rain coat.
1500 albums! That is what I call a music library...Awesome!
 

posthuman

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And about this metal stuff,i suggest you listen to some of the messages and testimonies of a guy named John Todd,an ex-illuminati.
Especially what he says about the origin of rock music.If you think i am joking,don't bother.

so i spent a few hours reading about John Todd and listening to some of his recorded audio.
he's a liar and a fraud.
for one thing, according to this self-styled prophet, all guns were to be confiscated by the mid 1970's, anyone converting people to christianity to be jailed on murder charges, and a one-world government to be established by 1980. false prophets in the bible were stoned to death. in America, if you wait 30 or 40 years, they get put on youtube and conspiracy theorists worship them for little other reason than that most other people think they are nuts. it's amazing how even though we have the 'information superhighway' at our fingertips, people don't really use it.

Todd was a broke drug addict that made a name for himself claiming to be a secret master of the occult and one of the 13 elite members of the illuminati in the late 60's / early 70's when there was no internet or other reliable means of fact-checking his bogus claims.
he was eventually jailed for statutory rape and transporting minors against the will of their parents across state lines, after several similar charges failed to make it through the courts. this was the early 1970's, before there was an entrenched system in place in the USA to prosecute such crimes. a number of respected Christian resources have investigated Todd and found no credibility to virtually anything he said.

so we have a liar & child molester's testimony that the illuminati created 'christian rock' in order to destroy the church.

have you read up on this guy at all?? i don't understand why you would recommend anyone listen to what he said.


 
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Interesting thread! Here's my take on the subject. My music has been said to have dark elements to it and I agree because I want to express it that way, contrasting light and darkness, and showing both sides through music is a big interest of mine. The scriptures are filled with dark parts, expounding on the roots of evil and exposing its fruits through prophetic narration and current events. I like to have something sound a little edgy too, I do get easily bored of too much nice fluffy sounding music especially if that music is unoriginal, shallow, or worldly sounding.

Maybe the OP and others into the darker sound would like a listen to one of my songs 'Penitence'. Give it a shot and let me know what you think. The lyrics are on my Reverbnation & Soundcloud pages under my name 'They Made Monsters' :)

[video=youtube;Egj9hgSWI9o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egj9hgSWI9o[/video]
 
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Brought up an 8 month old thread to continue advertising yourself. Lovely.
 
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I brought up an 8 month old thread because it interests me more than most other threads so instead of starting a new one with the same topic so that I may chat with other members who have a similar interest I simply posted here. You are trolling and harassing me 'Ugly' and if you continue to do so I will make a complaint to the Mods. I have come here to share my music and fellowship with others so get off my back man!
 
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Brought up an 8 month old thread to continue advertising yourself. Lovely.
This thread was re-opened after almost a year of inactivity prior to me posting here. That's what happens to interesting threads you see ;) You do a google search on dark Christian music and hey presto this thread comes up! So here I am..

Advertising myself is not what I am doing. Maybe you forgot my intention of joining this forum but I'll help you out and spell it out for you once more to give you the heads-up again! Sheesh, terrible memory on some people. I am here to fellowship with other believers who are interested in music. I would like feedback on my songs and hopefully will gain some fans who will like my music. If I was advertising myself I would put links to where I sell my music but no, I put links to free streams.

I've got this sick feeling that I haven't heard the last of you 'Ugly' *sigh*
 

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I brought up an 8 month old thread because it interests me more than most other threads so instead of starting a new one with the same topic so that I may chat with other members who have a similar interest I simply posted here. You are trolling and harassing me 'Ugly' and if you continue to do so I will make a complaint to the Mods. I have come here to share my music and fellowship with others so get off my back man!


You're allowed to do so, Tmm99.

Ugly, he's right, We do ask that someone please search for other threads on a certain topic instead of opening a new thread. Please don't patronize him for doing so. He's also allowed to advertise his own music within this subforum.
 
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You're allowed to do so, Tmm99.

Ugly, he's right, We do ask that someone please search for other threads on a certain topic instead of opening a new thread. Please don't patronize him for doing so. He's also allowed to advertise his own music within this subforum.
Thank you AlaynaJ :) Unfortunately I've had to put Ugly on my ignore list because this member has it in for me due to my desire to share my music on this forum and find fellowship with others. I am disappointed with the experience so far, so better I ignore this person from now on. I've been on Christian radio stations, blogs, and other forums and my music has been embraced very much and by polite brethren, but this person obviously doesn't like my taste in music which is a shame because I try to make my music for everyone to enjoy :/

Thanks again, and I believe it is much better to re-open old threads because it stops the needless cluttering up of webspace..
Blessings, and have a great day!
 
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You're allowed to do so, Tmm99.

Ugly, he's right, We do ask that someone please search for other threads on a certain topic instead of opening a new thread. Please don't patronize him for doing so. He's also allowed to advertise his own music within this subforum.
I simply gave my personal opinion on the matter, i did not attempt to speak for CC.
 

JimJimmers

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I simply gave my personal opinion on the matter, i did not attempt to speak for CC.
She didn't say "don't speak for CC", she said don't patronize. So your arguing with the mods just looks infantile.