The Devil has entered the Church!

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Nautilus

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got ourselves a nice little group forming here...maybe they can all discuss the horrors of christian rock and worldly haircuts together. Its good seeing people find friends.
 
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got ourselves a nice little group forming here...maybe they can all discuss the horrors of christian rock and worldly haircuts together. Its good seeing people find friends.
false teachers, false prophets, false messiahs. Is there any biblical evidence that would suggest satan won't or hasn't penetrated religion?
 
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Tintin

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Of course the Enemy oppresses the Church, no one's disputing that fact. We take issue with the idea that all music (that's not organ etc.) is of the devil and that some believe that there are godly hairstyles and ungodly hairstyles, amongst many other things.
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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In the past I was thinking like I know enough and that's just imaginary knowledge. Give him time so that Jesus will teach you and you'll know that there are many hidden things to learn. Just because you're a sunday school master doesn't mean you're the one. There's always more to know! I am talking about all these not because I know but because at least I have a hint of what is going on while we are all sleeping. Know that now is the 11th hour and 55th minute and Jesus comes in the 12th hour, he came to Paul and Silas in the prison at around 12. So who is supposed to be awake at the 12th hour? Mostly those who are in the prison, those who are being punished even in the Church. Others are sleeping by a freewill. The theif comes at 12 and they make excuse of sleeping because it's their right to sleep.

Jesus comes and let's see what the excuse is going to be. I have seen a dream about the end time. If you denied what I've said, do not hate me because of that. I speak to you by love and compassion, not by a sense of hatred towards any of you! I myself I need God more than yesterday and pray for me..! God bless you! Shalom!
 
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J-Kay

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RedTent is right. The enemy is alive and well in the Church.
Why ? Because he is allowed in. Why ? Because the power of
Christ is not what it used to be. Why ? Because many have become
nothing more than a social club. Why ? Because we have false teachers
telling people we need not fear anything. All is going to be good. Well,
when Christ returns He is looking for a Church that is looking for HIS
return. He wants a Church that will not call evil good, and good evil.
Even so come quickly Lord Jesus. ~ It is nigh the Midnight Hour ~
How do we get the devil out of the Church ? Rededicate and repent
of our sins we have not yet confessed or overcome. Then we will be
the power through Christ's infilling of the Holy Spirit. He is more
than a feel good "worship service." He is God Almighty to be
honored and revered. He will not play games with us ~ Get ready ~
"Behold, I stand at the at the door and knock..... saith the Lord..."
 
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ServantStrike

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In the past I was thinking like I know enough and that's just imaginary knowledge. Give him time so that Jesus will teach you and you'll know that there are many hidden things to learn. Just because you're a sunday school master doesn't mean you're the one. There's always more to know! I am talking about all these not because I know but because at least I have a hint of what is going on while we are all sleeping. Know that now is the 11th hour and 55th minute and Jesus comes in the 12th hour, he came to Paul and Silas in the prison at around 12. So who is supposed to be awake at the 12th hour? Mostly those who are in the prison, those who are being punished even in the Church. Others are sleeping by a freewill. The theif comes at 12 and they make excuse of sleeping because it's their right to sleep.

Jesus comes and let's see what the excuse is going to be. I have seen a dream about the end time. If you denied what I've said, do not hate me because of that. I speak to you by love and compassion, not by a sense of hatred towards any of you! I myself I need God more than yesterday and pray for me..! God bless you! Shalom!
I'm not denying 90 percent of what you've said. We are in agreement in more ways than one, I'm not sure why you got so much crap for this, as you're entitled to your own opinions.

My recommendation is just be careful of what you call worldy and what you call holy simply based upon the beat of a song, I think that's the only thing you might have wanted to say differently here. The rest of it you are completely right, Satan has infiltrated the church, and has been doing so at an alarmingly increasing rate.
 
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letti

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Satan is in the church hes in the world,he marvels in his hidden talents to deceive even Christians, what he posted was truly meant from a God given heart,don't worry some of us do understand your intent.We as Christians need to remember to not Knock a brother in Christ with truth and with loving intent in his heart.
 

Yowie

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There's realy no use arguing about this unless you see someone actually falling for it.
 
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letti

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I argue about nothing concerning this.
 

maxwel

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'worldly haircut'? What is a 'Christian haircut'?
This made me laugh.
:)

Ya know, I've been reading my bible again looking for my regulation haircut.
I haven't found it yet... but I'm sure it's in there.

: )
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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This made me laugh.
:)

Ya know, I've been reading my bible again looking for my regulation haircut.
I haven't found it yet... but I'm sure it's in there.

: )
If I debate with you, I will go to hell. So I don't want to debate with you! Today's percepts are like - If you are a nice Christian you'll go to heaven. But that's not the case.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
So I am not here to debate with you! FYI there are many famous pastors who have not inherited the kingdom of God just because of their failure to abide fully in Gods word! Gods word is a reality, not an abstract. We have to live it!
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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Dear brethren,
If you do not repent and start to live in blamelessness you are going to be left when the brides of Christ are caught up.
Take care of what you listen to. - Luke 8:18.
Those who have ears, let them hear
Without holiness, no one can see God and without the blood of Jesus there is no righteousness. Take care of what you live for! If you are trying to gain your life, you are losing it. If you decided to deny yourself for the sake of Jesus Christ he is faithful to give you righteousness of God.
Mathew 6:33 Seek the kingdom of God and all his righteousness and all the rest shall be added unto you.
What are you chasing? Money? Pleasure? Wealth? Know that all will pass away like a wind. Even the flesh you own in such a decorated way!
Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
 
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ServantStrike

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Dear brethren,
If you do not repent and start to live in blamelessness you are going to be left when the brides of Christ are caught up.
Take care of what you listen to. - Luke 8:18.
Those who have ears, let them hear
Without holiness, no one can see God and without the blood of Jesus there is no righteousness. Take care of what you live for! If you are trying to gain your life, you are losing it. If you decided to deny yourself for the sake of Jesus Christ he is faithful to give you righteousness of God.
Mathew 6:33 Seek the kingdom of God and all his righteousness and all the rest shall be added unto you.
What are you chasing? Money? Pleasure? Wealth? Know that all will pass away like a wind. Even the flesh you own in such a decorated way!
Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
I'm sure some of the people here on this board may live that way, and I'll admit I've struggled with sin and the love of mammon, but it seems you may be putting some extra biblical constructs onto some of this, which is why I believe that some people have taken offense.

Just stick to preaching against everything the bible condemns, I don't know that it ever condemned any particular form of music provided the content was not counter biblical. Likewise, I don't recall that it condemnned any particular form of dress except cross dressing. What it DID do was set the bar extremely high. Anything the Old Testament required the New Testament required tenfold, and many in the church truly do not appreciate this. They take Christ on the cross as a means for more sin.

And I for one do appreciate the fire and brimstone style of preaching. I remember eagerly reading my study bible cover to cover and all of the notes, yet I'm not as close to my first (and only true) love as I wish I was. So brother in Christ your posting here does strike a chord, at least with me.

And for those arguing what the bible says about hair cuts, yes, there really is guidance there. Check 1 Corintihians 11. It would make for a very interesting study if someone wanted to tackle it in a thread. Cultural relevance is also going to play a factor in that discussion, so I'm not arguing women need to cover their heads.

Lets just all take a deep breath and discuss this like Christians, and let's realize that there may be no set in stone answer to some of the debate here if it is not specifically mentioned in the bible.
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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I'm sure some of the people here on this board may live that way, and I'll admit I've struggled with sin and the love of mammon, but it seems you may be putting some extra biblical constructs onto some of this, which is why I believe that some people have taken offense.

Just stick to preaching against everything the bible condemns, I don't know that it ever condemned any particular form of music provided the content was not counter biblical. Likewise, I don't recall that it condemnned any particular form of dress except cross dressing. What it DID do was set the bar extremely high. Anything the Old Testament required the New Testament required tenfold, and many in the church truly do not appreciate this. They take Christ on the cross as a means for more sin.

And I for one do appreciate the fire and brimstone style of preaching. I remember eagerly reading my study bible cover to cover and all of the notes, yet I'm not as close to my first (and only true) love as I wish I was. So brother in Christ your posting here does strike a chord, at least with me.

And for those arguing what the bible says about hair cuts, yes, there really is guidance there. Check 1 Corintihians 11. It would make for a very interesting study if someone wanted to tackle it in a thread. Cultural relevance is also going to play a factor in that discussion, so I'm not arguing women need to cover their heads.

Lets just all take a deep breath and discuss this like Christians, and let's realize that there may be no set in stone answer to some of the debate here if it is not specifically mentioned in the bible.
Good. I heard you say I'm struggling. Let your struggle be to touch the garment of Jesus. I mean, have faith in God and cry out. Here's what the bible says, James 4 : 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up. ....
It is better to weep now rather than doing it forever in a place we don't deserve.
The Gospel we preach didn't come in words but in power. If the good news I give you can heal, bring you into repentance and deliver you from evil, that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. There is nothing like fire and brimstone preaching. All preaching shouldn't be done to please men. But for the Glory of God by turning people to repentance and to have faith in God.
There are not only false prophets, there are false teachers, false pastors and the bible says about them that they will even deceive the elect. They are everywhere. The true preachers do not have to speak against them or criticize them. The time has come for the spotless bride to be prepared, from Israel 144,000 and from others some will be taken. Most Christians will be left, I am sure the so called Christians who will be left behind will see that they have forsaken, they lived a life of sin and not holiness. If you decide to follow today's teaching and are comfortable in being lukewarm, and if I didn't warn you, the bible did! Jesus did warn all of us. Don't be lukewarm! Salvation begins when you decide to follow Christ and it is assured to you when you maintain it until the end. That is, if you ask Jesus what he wants to preach , it may be "repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Look at the bible Jesus speaks about the kingdom of heaven in most of his preaching because he knew that many will lose it and only small will gain heaven. The cross of Jesus is to redeem us from every sin, not just to forgive and let us do it again. It's not an excuse.

Many in the Church truly do not appreciate this? I am not living to make them appreciate me! I am living for the Glory of God and to please the one and only God, Jehovah. If I am going to look at their anger and hatred because of me doing this, I will start to copy what they do to me and do to them, and be like them and follow them to where they go as if they do not repent and start to live in blamelessness as the bible says.
If there's no righteousness and holiness in us, then what makes us the sons of God? Having the behaviors contrary to God, we can't say we are the sons and daughters of God. you have to be holy like him. That is what the bible says in Leviticus. I am not creating this and speaking it out of my ideology. That's what the bible says.
Even Abraham had to wait for Jesus to come to the father, because without Jesus there is no way he can come to the father. Jesus is the author of salvation. You can't do your deliverance and salvation by yourself. You have the responsibility to seek the face of the Lord, to weep and cry out to the Lord, to repent and mourn in tears.
I hope you understand what I mean and repent and start to live in holiness and sin no more. If Jesus comes now and finds you unfaithful, he will tell you,. you will not be a part of his kingdom. If you have a hatred for someone in your heart and jesus suddenly comes with the trumpet blow, he will tell you that he doesn't know you as the part of his bride.
So I tell you, what I am preaching shouldn't be strange to you. Go and listen to Nathan Morris preaching. People have been sleeping and they are scared when told to wake up. Do you have to perish because the whole Church is perishing? Jesus has already told us what it would look like. Even Daniel knew what is going to happen and this time, you have to focus on Jesus alone. No doctrine or denomination. Jesus is going to take people out of any denomination as long as they have eaten the scroll and lived according to his word. Matthew 24 :15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. you do this not because you see the tribulation, but because there's abomination and desolation standing in the holy place. It will help you to live silently, without exposing yourself to your surrounding. Because what you will learn is not the bible, most of the time, even going to the Church you'll learn opinions and ideas from preachers. Don't stop going to the Church because of that because you have to go and change the Church you belong to and if they refuse to change you have to come with power and fire of god against the demonic strongholds and be led by the spirit.
Where is the holy place? The house of God? The Church? Find it out! Read your bible and don't depend on study bible books, they teach you but the holy spirit teaches you more.

Yeah, I've said too much concerning this. Thanks for reading and those of you reading this, take care for what you hear. If you hear and didn't take an affirmative action, what you've heard may not be repeated for you and if then you don't have to perish due to ignorance.
May the Peace and Joy of the Lord be with you.
Shalom!
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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I'm jealous for the house of God! Romans 6:15-23What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Shine4Jesus

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I believe some of the Christian / rock genre is not as Holy as other music, but like everything in life if you do not discern the meaning or message behind something a person may become corrupt. That being said I do not believe ALL Christian/Rock/Alternative is created by worldly individual. Sometimes I wish that I had their talent so I had the power to reach so many people. However, if you do not have a spirit of discernment steer clear of this music. But then that individual could be corrupted by preacher and etc as well.
 
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Ukorin

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In the past I was thinking like I know enough and that's just imaginary knowledge. Give him time so that Jesus will teach you and you'll know that there are many hidden things to learn. Just because you're a sunday school master doesn't mean you're the one.
There is no secret or hidden knowledge regarding salvation. That is Gnosticism, and is heresy. It sounds like:
1. You stumbled onto some great truth while briefly reading the Bible.
2. You recognized that the modern American church is failing, in light of your new found truth.
3. You dug deeper, and have fallen into an online cult, because you have too little root in the scriptures for yourself.

There is some important truth that you are stating, but there is also blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, by giving credit to the devil for the good works produced by certain musical styles, when the glory belongs to the Lord alone.
Repent of that blasphemy, and study the Word for yourself.
Please stop watching TV preachers, and go to a Church, with real people next to you, to fellowship with them like the Bible commands that we do.

Also, you stated that debating with others will send you to hell... THAT is the only lie from the devil I have seen in this thread so far. 1st, debating with fellow Christians IS Christ-like! Remember, Jesus answered the questions of the Pharesees. By making harsh, judgmental comments and not defending your comments, you have created division without allowing for mending, or allowing any relationship to form.
2nd, There is no possible way to lose your salvation once you have been saved, because salvation is a future event, and God cannot promise you heaven and then give you hell, because He is not a liar. God is faithful, even when we are not. You need to keep up with your Bible reading, because you have confused sanctification with salvation. Please message me Freak4Jesus, you need some discipleship.
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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There is no secret or hidden knowledge regarding salvation. That is Gnosticism, and is heresy. It sounds like:
1. You stumbled onto some great truth while briefly reading the Bible.
2. You recognized that the modern American church is failing, in light of your new found truth.
3. You dug deeper, and have fallen into an online cult, because you have too little root in the scriptures for yourself.

There is some important truth that you are stating, but there is also blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, by giving credit to the devil for the good works produced by certain musical styles, when the glory belongs to the Lord alone.
Repent of that blasphemy, and study the Word for yourself.
Please stop watching TV preachers, and go to a Church, with real people next to you, to fellowship with them like the Bible commands that we do.

Also, you stated that debating with others will send you to hell... THAT is the only lie from the devil I have seen in this thread so far. 1st, debating with fellow Christians IS Christ-like! Remember, Jesus answered the questions of the Pharesees. By making harsh, judgmental comments and not defending your comments, you have created division without allowing for mending, or allowing any relationship to form.
2nd, There is no possible way to lose your salvation once you have been saved, because salvation is a future event, and God cannot promise you heaven and then give you hell, because He is not a liar. God is faithful, even when we are not. You need to keep up with your Bible reading, because you have confused sanctification with salvation. Please message me Freak4Jesus, you need some discipleship.
Dear beloved
I am a disciple of Jesus
Not only debating, any sin can send people to hell. I don't want to sin and why would I debate when it's possible no to? I can't debate to convince people, I just tell them and if they want the debate, I have to leave that meeting and Go somewhere else there are many people who are hungry. What do you think of the people who never heard of Jesus? Every one must search for the one and only true God Jehovah like abraham did. Otherwise they will also go to hell, like the muslims. Jesus is willing to appear through peoples dream and reveal himself if they really seek who the true God is.
So we should not joke and play games because God has come to our knowledge.
Salvation must be a result of righteousness because the bible says, Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. , so if one confesses but has no righteousness in him he will be headed to hell because he lacks righteousness. Without holiness if we think like we can see the lord, we are deceiving our self.
Dear beloved in Christ, Jesus is faithful to give you righteousness. It is not difficult for him to make you holy.
We have troubles on this earth but there's a time for every pay back. Because God is good.
Sorry for what I've done my friend if there's any mistake. I will pray that God will teach me his own way. We can try to go to many places to be discipled, I went to the Church school and they taught me how to please people, I went to the internet and I mostly learned how the famous preachers live their life.
I want to tell readers that Jesus can teach you. He can come to you and mentor you.
Thanks and God bless

Shalom!
 
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AmmiAmmiel

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Satan has been in the Church for quite some time now,.. Thankfully there are those who make the distinction between the False Church and the True[: Though he tries to get us, he will never succeed[:
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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Satan has been in the Church for quite some time now,.. Thankfully there are those who make the distinction between the False Church and the True[: Though he tries to get us, he will never succeed[:
Amen. We should never give up and become the same with other Churches. We have to be his spotless and without wrinkle for God.