OH dear someone else thinks Jesus is not real.

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Agricola

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Hmm, then they obviously have not looked too hard at the historical documents. Jesus may perhaps be the most provable person in ancient history. Granted not all the scribes in history liked Jesus though.

Nevertheless, here are a number of 1st-3rd Century scribes that at least record the existence of Jesus and/or existence of Christians (though mind you many of them were hostile persecutors of Christianity.)

Josephus
Tacitus
Pliny the Younger
Suetonius
Thallus (fragmentary evidence only, Thallus does not speak of Jesus nor Christians, but he does attest to the uncanny darkness that shrouded the world at the time of his crucifixion)
(And there are more but these are the major anti-Christian writers I am aware of that lived in or wrote in the First Century AD. Perhaps my fellow history geeks can help add to the list of compelling evidence.)

And of course we all know the eight major pro-Jesus 1st Century AD scribes of history:

Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Paul
James
Jude
Peter
 
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Even the most ardent atheists are often forced to admit Jesus existed, the problem they have is believing in the resurrection - let's face it it's a big ask for someone to believe that a person beat death - no one else ever has been seen to have done this but Jesus was and is more than a mere man, Jesus is God which means He can do anything if He so wishes. Most atheists I have conversed with have their biggest problem with the God of the OT, spurred on by new atheism and the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens, a new type of aggressive atheism.

How can one be SO angry at someone who "doesn't exist"? In Dawkins case the answer is simple, at aged 13 he was abused by a priest. Before I became a Christian I never suffered from this anger, I didn't claim to know if God existed or not, it wasn't something I spent a great deal of my time thinking about. I always knew that Christians were generally "nice people" but I didn't think I could ever be one of them for the simple reason I didn't think I could ever know the truth one way or the other. I was just a live and let live kind of person. So why are we suddenly into this age of hate where Christians are concerned?
 
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The funny part is that atheists even argue amongst each other about his existence. However, the general consensus is they believe he existed but the obvious discussion pertains to deity.
 
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Jaysus, have ye not got humor over there, ye wagon?
 
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And god said ' thou shalt all be sour and without mirth, and wear it like a badge'
Ye tools.
 
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Most atheists I have conversed with have their biggest problem with the God of the OT, spurred on by new atheism and the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens, a new type of aggressive atheism.

How can one be SO angry at someone who "doesn't exist"?
Atheists aren't angry at God. The reason many atheists focus on the OT God isn't because they're mad at him, but because they find his characteristics contradicting, his actions pointless, or his behavior corrupt. Obviously, atheists don't believe God to be real so they're technically critiquing the Bible and the idea of God - not God himself.

In Dawkins case the answer is simple, at aged 13 he was abused by a priest.
There's this common misconception that atheists choose not to believe in God because they're mad at him. This makes as much sense as choosing not to believe in cancer because doctors found a tumor in your body. If a person chooses not to believe in God just because they're mad at him, then they're simply in denial; technically speaking, they're not atheists (but the semantics isn't really important).

It is possible for some people to go into denial about God's existence, where they try to convince themselves God isn't real when deep down they do believe he exists. But this is usually not the case for most atheists. Most atheists genuinely do not believe God is real.

It is possible for anger towards God to lead people towards atheism without them going into a state of denial. Allow me to explain:

For most Christians, God defines who they are. God becomes a part of their identity. This makes it hard for them to reject God because rejecting God would be like rejecting a large part of their own personality. For many Christians, giving up their belief in God would be like cutting off an arm or a leg.

When a person becomes angry at God, they tend to rely less on God to define who they are. When a person doesn't make God a part of their identity, rejecting the idea of God no longer feels like a personal loss. A person who uses God to define who they are might find it impossible to imagine life without worshiping God whereas a person who feels betrayed by God can imagine life without God. And when one can imagine life without God, it becomes easier to accept the possibility that God might not exist.

So do atheists choose not to believe in God because they're angry? Not really. Instead, some Christians who become angry at God find it easier to be convinced he isn't real or that there's no solid evidence for his existence. Anger doesn't lead directly to nonbelief, but rather it leads to being open to the idea that God doesn't exist.
 
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