US 'pick-up artist' Julien Blanc forced to leave Australia after visa cancelled

[Roamer]

Deeply disturbed by this news.

Julien Blanc, self-described pick-up artist who promotes choking women, leaves Australia and has visa cancelled

How Twitter took down US pick-up artist Julien Blanc

Julien Blanc, 25, was due to give a talk at Melbourne's Como Hotel on Wednesday night advising men how to "pick up women from open to close". His tactics, which include choking women and pulling them into his crotch, were criticised online as misogynistic and abusive.

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has told Sky News he decided to cancel Mr Blanc's visa. "This guy wasn't pushing forward political ideas, he was putting a view that was derogatory to women and that's just something that our values abhor in this country," he said.

Friends from the US, have you heard of this guy before? What's happening to some men that they need to spend money to 'learn' from this psycho?

What's worrying is that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Rates of domestic violence against women - regardless of country - are at epidemic levels. Some serious prayer for men at large needed. For those of us who are men, we need to be more vocal about condemning these things. We also need to be vigilant about our own attitudes towards women. Physical violence and disgusting pick-up tactics aren't the only mediums through which women are disrespected. The way we talk about women with our mates, the way we treat women in front of younger men, what we do in the hidden privacy of our bedrooms - it all matters.

Both women and men were made equally in God's image. As followers of Christ, we need to work as hard as we can to model that truth in a fallen world that seems to have totally lost grip of it.

 

[Tintin]

There are no words. I have loved ones that have experienced such things. What a horrible human being! I'm glad he's left our country.

 

[jjtj22]

I don't know this guy but I have looked into the "manosphere" and the attitude toward women espoused terrifies me.

You see, I am a childhood survivor of abuse by more than one man. I developed a fear and hatred of all men, I thought men were evil, looking for their next victim, (like fatherless little girls with no male protection and a poor mother.)

The Holy Spirit broke the chains of fear and hatred about three years ago. I now see men as fellow sinners, a few Christ like and a few very evil. The Holy Spirit also showed me that I had fallen for a lie from Satan, that all men are evil; just as some men have fallen for the lie that it is okay to objectify women. When I read about what some "men" are encouraging the old fear and hate rear their ugly heads.

It is so prevalent in our culture but I wish more men understood, when they objectify women, even those provocatively dressed, it really hurts all women, even my pastor routinely speaks about "cute young things" and gender stereotypes. Women are either daughters of the King or lost souls headed for an eternity of fire in desperate need of Christ.

Sorry for the rant, this hits old wounds. Thank you, thank you, for being willing to advocate for the proper treatment of women! I wish there were more like you!

 

[Ugly]

Porn seems to be aiding in this thinking. The porn industry has decided porn has become boring to most people, so to make it interesting they've made a shift. That is towards abusive behavior. Hitting women and degrading them is the new flavor. Choking is popular as well.

 

[Roamer]

jjtj22,

Wow thank you, for sharing your story. I can only imagine what you had to go through and respect you so much for coming out of it stronger than before. And praise God for what He's done in your life!

I hear you on your point about respect for women who are provocatively dressed. When it comes to a man who objectifies, harasses or assaults a woman, what she was wearing should never even be a factor that's brought up. It makes me angry - questioning what a woman wore assumes that men must be mindless idiots incapable of any ounce of self-control.

Again, thanks for your 'rant' - insights like yours help the rest of us understand why it's so important to fight for respect and equality.

 

[gene77]

Oh man. I'm apprehensive towards typing out a reply, because I can rant and rant on this topic, specifically, men's treatment of women. I think India has only 20% of decent men. Maybe less. Every single woman I know has been touched inappropriately by a man- a stranger or someone they know. Eve-teasing is so common. It's so sad.

The first time I experienced anything of the sort, I was 11 years old. I've come to dislike reading the newspaper or watching the news. The pages are filled with "rape" "rape" "rape", and mostly of minors. Three year olds! Gah!

In a nation where majority of the people worship goddesses like Lakshmi and Kali, and admire legendary women like Draupadi, how has it come about that women are beneath men, and should be beaten and "put into their places".

"Your place is in the kitchen" is still a phrase that is widely used, and injustice towards women, prevails greatly in India, and, I'm sure in various parts of the world. Hence, my stand for women empowerment is just to give women equal rights and opportunities as men.

Julien Blanc is just one of millions of men who have handled women and treated them that way. It's disturbing. If I had to list the first-hand experiences that I have been through or my friends and family members have been through, it would take me the whole day.

Roamer, I'm glad that there are men like you in this world who take a stand against mistreatment of women. God bless you.

 

[Agricola]

He has now been banned from entering the UK.
BBC News - Julien Blanc: UK denies visa to 'pick-up artist'

 

[Human]

It strikes me as both profoundly sad and disturbing that some men seem to buy into this, but what's worse is the society we now live in, which pushes people towards this kind of behaviour. Yes, the man has an awful view of women, but I can't help asking where the root of the problem really lies. WHY is violence against women at epidemic levels? WHY are more men becoming disillusioned with women? And WHY do people buy into this?

We see many women nowadays with silent anger towards men, we see a media image of men painted as abusers while women are painted as innocent victims incapable of displaying personal responsibility, and most alarmingly we see a paradigm shift from the Suffragists movement wherein women were treated unfairly, where femininity was considered weak, to a society that demonises masculinity. Not to say that this man is masculine whatsoever, perhaps bravado, but certainly, now, just as when women have become violent and misandrist, perhaps we should ask why there is an increase in misogyny. I have come across leaflets for radical feminists who would teach seminars espousing the view that society is inherently patriarchal, that all current social trends come from patriarchy and the oppression of women, that marriage should be abolished and that men displaying what these feminists considered overt masculinity should be chemically castrated. I don't recall any of them being banned from entering particular territories.

Hatred between sexes, it seems, is growing in both genders. I'm the man to ask why. Rather than dealing with the symptoms (kicking this guy out of countries) perhaps we should ask about the root cause.

 

[Tintin]

It strikes me as both profoundly sad and disturbing that some men seem to buy into this, but what's worse is the society we now live in, which pushes people towards this kind of behaviour. Yes, the man has an awful view of women, but I can't help asking where the root of the problem really lies. WHY is violence against women at epidemic levels? WHY are more men becoming disillusioned with women? And WHY do people buy into this?

We see many women nowadays with silent anger towards men, we see a media image of men painted as abusers while women are painted as innocent victims incapable of displaying personal responsibility, and most alarmingly we see a paradigm shift from the Suffragists movement wherein women were treated unfairly, where femininity was considered weak, to a society that demonises masculinity. Not to say that this man is masculine whatsoever, perhaps bravado, but certainly, now, just as when women have become violent and misandrist, perhaps we should ask why there is an increase in misogyny. I have come across leaflets for radical feminists who would teach seminars espousing the view that society is inherently patriarchal, that all current social trends come from patriarchy and the oppression of women, that marriage should be abolished and that men displaying what these feminists considered overt masculinity should be chemically castrated. I don't recall any of them being banned from entering particular territories.

Hatred between sexes, it seems, is growing in both genders. I'm the man to ask why. Rather than dealing with the symptoms (kicking this guy out of countries) perhaps we should ask about the root cause.

The root cause is sin. But since you're not a Christian, you don't believe such a thing exists, do you?
Also, why is this considered evil in the post-modern world in which we live? I thought truth was relative? You do realise you have to borrow from the Judeo/Christian faiths to see this behaviour etc. as wrong, don't you?

 

[psalm6819]

It seems such a shame that we have allowed the devil to pervert the values that are the bonds of the family. The bonds of family are most clearly demonstrated uin the relationship of husband and wife. This is the model that most children learn thier behaviots from. When God is taken out of the equation we can clearly see what happens. Lack of respect for the husband, insecurity of the wife and children who don't really know what a gidly home and maariage are. How can one respect when one hasn't seen or learned how to respect? Books like this guy writes should be used only in the outhouse.

 

[Trailblazer]

Why is there so much hurt, evil and hatred in the world? What is the root cause?
EPHESIANS 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers,against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

EPHESIANS 6:11 Says to put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.
How many people know of this and actually do it? People being influenced and tempted by Satan all around the world and they are completely clueless where all of the ugliness comes from.

I am actually spooked of church women and those who attend church by stuff that happened shortly after first attending church some years back. Horribly stuff all the way up to the pastors anti biblical behavior and decision making.
Knowing of the devils schemes gives me forgiveness for all that were involved. The devil is also not able to get a stronghold on me. for I know of his tactics.

People without knowing Jesus or rejecting him. We can only guess how much influence Satan
and the fallen angels have over them.

 

[Human]

The root cause is sin. But since you're not a Christian, you don't believe such a thing exists, do you?
Also, why is this considered evil in the post-modern world in which we live? I thought truth was relative? You do realise you have to borrow from the Judeo/Christian faiths to see this behaviour etc. as wrong, don't you?

You know as well as I do that the derogation, slandering, defamation, disrespect and dangerous irresponsibility that lies within this mans values can be morally unsound whether you are a Christian person or not. Having the Judeo-Christian God apparently at one's side and in one's heart is not necessarily a prerequisite for compassionate ideals. Just look at the Westboro Baptists. I believe 'right' and 'wrong' are misnomers. I prefer thinking in terms of 'harmful' or 'not harmful'.

What is harmful to me, I may sometimes do, whether of compulsion, necessity, or habit, and I try my best not to, but what's harmful towards others, I should not do regardless of compulsion, necessity or habit.

To observe and obey regardless of moral consideration is not morality, Tintin, it is obedience without rationale, and it is dangerous. You have a mind for a reason. I mean, clearly you don't take heed of the parts of the bible that call on you to stone adulteresses or cut the hand from a thief, and that is because you have used your own discernment, outside from the bible, to tell yourself that these things are harmful to others, that they hurt others, that they are violent, unnecessary, void, null and obsolete in the face of better, more beneficial, less harmful instruction (love thy enemies, for instance).

Such instruction is not, however, a notion solely found within Judeo-Christian philosophy. The Hindu Vedas predate all known Judeo-Christian texts and contain whole discourses on universal compassion. Discernment from a religion that you clearly consider heretical, yet there it is. So it logically follows that morality, at least in a sense similar to Christian morality, is not found solely in Christian texts. Discernment on morality can be found in places where there is not a knowledge of the bible.

Every person on this planet discerns somehow when making decisions about the motive, circumstance and consequence of an action or view. We use our own heads. As for the relativity or certainty of morality itself;

Morality is relative as proven in our daily lives. We can't talk about morality as an abstract philosophical concept of some total certainty of form without contradicting the reality of the world we live in; what is morally 'bad' in one place (for instance the act of cutting off a thief's hand), is not morally 'bad' in another. Thus, to say that morality is absolute is to ignore the irrefutable evidence presented to us in our world.

You can of course, deny that morality's certainty or lack thereof can be decided by the physical occurrences of the world and take an abstract opinion of the matter, but that's all it would be; an abstract concept that ignores evidence.

I recognise this. So instead of arguing about the irrefutable nature of morality itself, saying things like 'this is right', 'this is wrong', I talk in an appeal to better judgement, not in black-and-white absolutist terms that demand subservient compliance.

If I were to say to you, 'cutting the hand from the thief is unduly cruel, he is starving, we as a society have given him no viable means for income at this present moment, and he would be better served to be given training into a job in order that he can eat', you don't need to be Christian to feel the moral direction that drove me to my conclusion, and I didn't need to be Christian to come to that conclusion, either. All I needed was empathy and compassion for another human being.

So I might not tally my good work or discern any eternal heavenly benefit for myself, but perhaps there's one less man with half as many hands to work with.

 

[Tintin]

Sections of the Hindu Verdas may be really old but even the most ancient of these so-called 'scriptures' (from 1700BC) were written after Abraham's time.

I'm not saying you can't be a moral being without Judeo/Christian beliefs but you do need to borrow from such a worldview to make sense of good and evil. Harmful and harmless just don't cut it in the real world and world were truth is supposedly relative.

 

[Human]

Sections of the Hindu Verdas may be really old but even the most ancient of these so-called 'scriptures' (from 1700BC) were written after Abraham's time.

I'm not saying you can't be a moral being without Judeo/Christian beliefs but you do need to borrow from such a worldview to make sense of good and evil. Harmful and harmless just don't cut it in the real world and world were truth is supposedly relative.

I disagree. A philosophical instruction can be considered 'good' by those adherent to that philosophy even if it is harmful, whereas if something is 'harmful', it is harmful whether it is considered good or not. If I cut the thief's hand, I harm him. A Jew of Abraham's day might call that penance 'good', but in what sense is it good? The only sense of its goodness derives from the idea that subservience to moral instruction given by authority figures trumps personal judgement on a matter's moral integrity or lack thereof.

The oldest Vedas were written in 1700BCE, the oldest Hebrew texts didn't appear until 900 BCE. That's an 800 year difference.

I do not need to borrow from the JudeoChristian worldview to make sense of good and evil. Give me any scenario and I can tell you whether I consider it to be morally sound or unsound without once borrowing from Christianity.

 

[Angela53510]

The Old Testament was written much earlier than you date, Human! Maybe hundreds of years earlier.

Archeology supports a much much earlier date.

"It indicates that the Kingdom of Israel already existed in the 10th century BCE and that at least some of the biblical texts were written hundreds of years before the dates presented in current research," said Gershon Galil, a professor of Biblical Studies at the University of Haifa in Israel, who deciphered the ancient text."

Bible Possibly Written Centuries Earlier, Text Suggests

 

[Agricola]

WHo cares when texts were written? We know there were other religions right from the start of Genesis. If people do not want to accept Jesus as SOn of God, then so be it, if you can debate people into something they can be debated out of it, athiests and non-believers use all these arguments and try to "prove" that God isnt real or whatever, but fortunately I have a relationship with God and I know God is real.

The reason why humans are so evil and nasty is down to sin and Satan, pure evil that is spreading like a cancer through all the world as humans fall further away from God.

 

[dcontroversal]

Deeply disturbed by this news.

Julien Blanc, self-described pick-up artist who promotes choking women, leaves Australia and has visa cancelled

How Twitter took down US pick-up artist Julien Blanc



Friends from the US, have you heard of this guy before? What's happening to some men that they need to spend money to 'learn' from this psycho?

What's worrying is that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Rates of domestic violence against women - regardless of country - are at epidemic levels. Some serious prayer for men at large needed. For those of us who are men, we need to be more vocal about condemning these things. We also need to be vigilant about our own attitudes towards women. Physical violence and disgusting pick-up tactics aren't the only mediums through which women are disrespected. The way we talk about women with our mates, the way we treat women in front of younger men, what we do in the hidden privacy of our bedrooms - it all matters.

Both women and men were made equally in God's image. As followers of Christ, we need to work as hard as we can to model that truth in a fallen world that seems to have totally lost grip of it.

Good and as an American who just spent 10 days down I under I say good riddance from Australia...tragic an American has to bring such reproach upon the U.S......My friends down under...please understand that we view this dude as a whack job as well......!

 

[skipp]

I wish we could ban him from returning to the US!

 

[Kmdavis]

My question is if you don't think God is real then why are you on a Christian website. I think a Christian has gotten to this guy and now he is second guessing his non-belief. People who don't believe in God don't hang around on Christian websites!

Not sayin any names but.........the guy who is obviously in a place he doesn't belong, but wants to belong to. If you want to know Jesus as your savior, cry out to him when you are alone. He will take away all doubt. Ask him into your heart! I would hate to know I didn't tell someone about the love of Jesus on a Christian website when I face the final judgement, there will be no more excuses!

I love you in Christ!

 

[MadParrotWoman]

It is a concern that this man attracts such big audiences who are willing to pay large amounts of money to hear this guy's rhetoric and presumably follow his advice. It is what we all are without Jesus - little more than animals. I'm happy to say I signed the petition that helped make the decision keeping him out of Britain.

One of the things I first noticed when I became a Christian was how different Christian men behave around women - even online, it is worlds apart from what I had previously experienced. It is also what made me listen to the guy who became my mentor - I knew there was something different about him and it made me curious.

I will never understand why some Christians fall away because really there is nothing to go back to. What's waiting for us back in the secular world is the likes of Julien Blanc - no thanks!