Baker refuses anti-gay bible cake order

[Drett]

A US woman is facing a discrimination suit after refusing to write homophobic words on a bible-shaped cake she made for a customer.

Marjorie Silva, the owner of Denver’s Azucar Bakery, is facing a complaint from a customer alleging she discriminated against his religious beliefs.
Ms Silva says that she was asked last year to make a bible-shaped cake for a male customer. After the order was complete he asked her to write “God hates gays” on the cake with two men holding hands and a cross on top of them.

Denver baker Marjorie Silva refuses anti-gay bible cake order

Sounds like the US is not a good place to own a bakery. Selfish people are trying to push the agendas at their expense.

 

[blue_ladybug]

A US woman is facing a discrimination suit after refusing to write homophobic words on a bible-shaped cake she made for a customer.

Marjorie Silva, the owner of Denver’s Azucar Bakery, is facing a complaint from a customer alleging she discriminated against his religious beliefs.
Ms Silva says that she was asked last year to make a bible-shaped cake for a male customer. After the order was complete he asked her to write “God hates gays” on the cake with two men holding hands and a cross on top of them.

Denver baker Marjorie Silva refuses anti-gay bible cake order

Sounds like the US is not a good place to own a bakery. Selfish people are trying to push the agendas at their expense.

She has every right to refuse to serve a customer, regardless of sexual preference.. I would refuse to do it, too..

 

[SoulWeaver]

Sounds like the US is not a good place to own a bakery. Selfish people are trying to push the agendas at their expense.

For real. I've been seeing similar news for a while with gay activists closing bakeries left and right. But this is a disturbing idea as much as their cakes.

 

[JFSurvivor]

A US woman is facing a discrimination suit after refusing to write homophobic words on a bible-shaped cake she made for a customer.

Marjorie Silva, the owner of Denver’s Azucar Bakery, is facing a complaint from a customer alleging she discriminated against his religious beliefs.
Ms Silva says that she was asked last year to make a bible-shaped cake for a male customer. After the order was complete he asked her to write “God hates gays” on the cake with two men holding hands and a cross on top of them.

Denver baker Marjorie Silva refuses anti-gay bible cake order

Sounds like the US is not a good place to own a bakery. Selfish people are trying to push the agendas at their expense.

UGH! when will this world vs. Christian war stop! Christians are always seen as the bad guys then it puts a wall up between us and the rest of the world making it harder for us to have sctual conversations with people and then we end up looking like jerks whatever we say.

ok rant over. Thanks for reading.

 

[G4JC]

Lawsuits over cake is getting really messed up. I lost count. It's stupid that this one comes from Westboro-like haters.

Regarding the other cake orders -

Thank goodness for Thomas Moore Law Center and Alliance Defending Freedom, they're going to be super busy and tight on a budget this year defending innocent people from the homosexual lobby's wrath.

This article sums it up best...
Religious Liberty vs. Erotic Liberty — Religious Liberty is Losing – AlbertMohler.com

"Erotic liberty is new on the scene, but it is central to the moral project of modernity — a project that asserts erotic liberty, which the framers never imagined, as an even more fundamental liberty than freedom of religion. The logic of erotic liberty has worked its way from law schools and academia into popular culture, entertainment, public policy, and Supreme Court decisions....
...Indeed, it matters a very great deal. And the central thrust of Dignity 2.0 is what I describe as erotic liberty — the newly asserted liberty that is now trampling or endangering religious liberty..."

 

[kaylagrl]

Lawsuits over cake is getting really messed up. I lost count. It's stupid that this one comes from Westboro-like haters.

Regarding the other cake orders -

Thank goodness for Thomas Moore Law Center and Alliance Defending Freedom, they're going to be super busy and tight on a budget this year defending innocent people from the homosexual lobby's wrath.

This article sums it up best...
Religious Liberty vs. Erotic Liberty — Religious Liberty is Losing – AlbertMohler.com

I think homosexuality is wrong but I dont think God hates gays.He hates the lifestyle,not the person.I wouldnt write that either.

 

[stabbo]

A US woman is facing a discrimination suit after refusing to write homophobic words on a bible-shaped cake she made for a customer.

Marjorie Silva, the owner of Denver’s Azucar Bakery, is facing a complaint from a customer alleging she discriminated against his religious beliefs.
Ms Silva says that she was asked last year to make a bible-shaped cake for a male customer. After the order was complete he asked her to write “God hates gays” on the cake with two men holding hands and a cross on top of them.

Denver baker Marjorie Silva refuses anti-gay bible cake order

Sounds like the US is not a good place to own a bakery. Selfish people are trying to push the agendas at their expense.

This stuff rarely happens in Australia.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

UGH! when will this world vs. Christian war stop!

When Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives at the end of the Tribulation.

Lawsuits over cake is getting really messed up. I lost count. It's stupid that this one comes from Westboro-like haters.

About as stupid as making statement about an organization you know nothing about. I'd suggest before you throw aspersions around such as "Westboro-like haters" you know who you're talking about.

Worldview Academy: Key Concepts in the Curriculum

Not everyone who speaks biblical truth about homosexual relations is "Westboro-like." In fact, we can love those who are in that lifestyle and speak truth to them, if we have taken the time to get to know them, engage them in conversation and friendship, and earn the right to speak to them with truth. Westboro speaks hate especially in their blanket condemnation of people without separating them from the sin. It is essential that Christians do as the Casting Crowns song I quote in my signature suggests.

 

[Grandpa]

I don't understand what the big deal is. Why can't a privately owned business refuse service for any reason they decide? They aren't the only business in the world. Take your business elsewhere.

Closing down businesses isn't going to get rid of Christianity, if that is what the goal is. It's not going to stop the gay agenda either.

 

[notuptome]

The whole thing is in bad taste.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[G4JC]

When Christ sets foot on the Mount of Olives at the end of the Tribulation.
About as stupid as making statement about an organization you know nothing about. I'd suggest before you throw aspersions around such as "Westboro-like haters" you know who you're talking about.

Worldview Academy: Key Concepts in the Curriculum

Not everyone who speaks biblical truth about homosexual relations is "Westboro-like."

I agree not everyone who speaks truth is Westboro-like... but
Per the article:

After the order was complete he asked her to write “God hates gays” on the cake with two men holding hands and a cross on top of them.

To be correct it should be "God loves everyone but hates the sin of homosexuality". It came across Westboro-like, I have no problem speaking out against the sin of homosexuality either. It's also not a very Godly example to sue someone just because they won't print something on your cake. You go to another business.


I see that the organization has since issued a public apology and that he did not speak on behalf of the group:
Worldview AcademyA statement regarding current events in Colorado surrounding actions taken by Bill Jack as a private citizen.

January 22, 2015
A statement regarding current events in Colorado surrounding actions taken by Bill Jack as a private citizen.
Worldview Academy believes that God unconditionally loves every person. We also believe in liberty and justice for all. Consequently, we support the Colorado bakery owner’s right—and the right of all other bakery owners—to not undertake work which would violate their core beliefs.

Randy Sims, Executive Director of Worldview Academy said, “We believe that the right of conscience should be guaranteed to all people equally and fairly.”

Bill Jack is a frequent speaker at Worldview Academy summer camps that train students how to live their faith in truth and grace.

 

[Billyd]

A more appropriate wording would be "God is Calling Gays to Repentance".

 

[Human]

''God hates gays'' is inflammatory speech, while ''I support gays'' may well artistically misrepresent the views of the cake-artist. IN both instances, a person can refuse service, and in the above case, the defendant will most likely win. However, refusing to sell a cake that contains no inflammatory or promotional speech to a customer simply because of their personal sexual preference is illegal in most civilized countries.

There's a genuine reason.

If a person is refused generic (as in, unadulterated goods without a specific misrepresenting political or ideological message, such as ''I love gays'' or ''God hates gays'') goods, because they're gay, and that is continued to be allowed, then what stops people in a Christian country blankently refusing gay people cereal, or bread, or milk, or vegetables, or water? What stops a utility company that's Christian owned saying ''we won't support gays by supplying their gay water for their gay wedding'' or a Christian owned electric company saying ''we won't support gay weddings by keeping electricity on during the Courthouses gay marriage ceremony'', or a non-religious software billionaire like Bill Gates saying ''I won't sell any of my product to any company that employs gay people, cause I don't support them''.

It's a ridiculous exampe of course, but mass boycott is a very real danger if the companies that people depend on for everything from clothes, food, water and energy to ties, speakers, iPhones and Laptops are able to discriminate at will. It's a commercialized, monopolized world in many respects and if it's legally okay for an obscure home-bakery to refuse service under the idea ''we don't agree with this customer's life choices'', then there's really no legal precedent to stop bigger companies doing likewise should they so wish.

That's why this precedent needs to be set, even if it's highly unlikely a big company will use such tactics, given that it would mean the death of their business. In fact, the very reason it would mean the death of their business is because the general public, by and large, want everyone in society to have fair consumer rights and to be able to have access to goods. The very fact that a business would lose untold amount of customers for refusing someone on the basis of religion or race or sex should tell you that society by and large disagrees with consumer discrimination in its various forms.

People don't like bullies, and everyone should be able to access what they need from those who sell it.

 

[Kencore]

Ok Human if your going to equate a cake as a need then I need a Charlie Hebdo magazine.

 

[Human]

Ok Human if your going to equate a cake as a need then I need a Charlie Hebdo magazine.

I never said a cake was a need. I made a point about people not being forced out of being able to buy goods for their lives. You allow a cake shop to discriminate at will and there's no legal reason to not allow a big company like WalMart or Microsoft or Apple or whoever it may be to boycott people.

And who decides what is a need and what isn't?

''Okay Kimmy, you're a fag, and since you want this walnut bread, but this walnut bread isn't a need, and you could do with tinned cabbage soup instead, I'm only gonna sell you the tinned cabbage soup, and that straight guy over there, he can have the walnut bread''.

Catch a grip of yourself man! lol bloody fascist.

 

[dcontroversal]

Wait till they start suing churches because of a refusal of membership in said churches.....!

 

[Human]

Wait till they start suing churches because of a refusal of membership in said churches.....!

Like I said, churches have a fundamental legal right, as religious institutions purposed to further a specific religious message whose main text forbids homosexuality, to refuse gay people wedding ceremonies or membership. But a good question to ask is ''why would churches refuse membership to a homosexual and not a gambler; a homosexual and not a drug addict; a homosexual and not an adulterer; a homosexual and not a liar; a homosexual and not a thief; a homosexual and not a coveter?

 

[dcontroversal]

Like I said, churches have a fundamental legal right, as religious institutions purposed to further a specific religious message whose main text forbids homosexuality, to refuse gay people wedding ceremonies or membership. But a good question to ask is ''why would churches refuse membership to a homosexual and not a gambler; a homosexual and not a drug addict; a homosexual and not an adulterer; a homosexual and not a liar; a homosexual and not a thief; a homosexual and not a coveter?

I don't know about your state church (Anglican) but the churches I do know of would not allow open sin such as you listed....John said bring forth fruit (WORTY) of repentance before he would immerse them and unfortunately there is a thing called church discipline that is no longer exercised by many churches (so-called) because of the fear of offending someone or the loss of money as in tithes and offerings......!

 

[Agricola]

EUropean and UK law is clear on this matter. It is illegal to refuse services and products because of a persons gender, sexual orientation disability, race, colour etc etc, therefore refusing to serve a homosexual is illegal.

It is not illegal for a business to refuse requests if they are illegal or considered hateful and offensive. God hates Gays is an offensive statement, the bakers would have the law on thier side in Europe and UK. I would have thought they would have also had terms and conditions which would cover such an event.

 

[LambieBear]

I used to be against homosexuality until quite recently, but I never thought God hated gays. I still think homosexuality is a sin, but so is having sex out of wedlock, and that is considered normal behavior by almost everybody. Just because someone does something that God does not approve of, or just because they participate in behavior that the Bible says is wrong does not mean that God hates them, or that He is going to send them to Hell.

This is a frivolous lawsuit, and I imagine it will be dismissed. If isn't, and the judge rules in favor of this hateful customer then I would quit my job if I were her. Good luck getting money from someone who isn't earning anything. In other words, I would refuse to pay up.