It's coming. Would you quit or be fired before taking this chip?

[PennEd]

In the article, it says that other uses for this embedded chip in your hand at this company will be to buy food at the cafe etc... It appears to be voluntary NOW, but we all know how that works!

BBC News - Office puts chips under staff's skin

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

The rapture hasn't happened yet, so while the antichrist's chip -- or "mark" as John called it -- may exist, it doesn't have the eternal ramifications now that it will then.

Still, they could take that job and shovel it.

 

[3Scoreand10]

I have never understood why workers never stand up for their rights.
I spent 50 years working for several different companies, and never once gave in to their demands that violated my rights.
When they wanted all employies to take a polygraph "to clear the air" about an inventory shortage, I said I would take it only after I was accused of wrong doing. They backed down and no one hade to take it.
When they decided to give random drug screens I did the same thing with the same results.
Althought they threatened to fire me, I stood up for my rights.
I was never fired.
If I had been fired, I would have just taken my talent and abily and sold it to their competitor.
My gain and their lose.

 

[Utah]

You know what they can do with that chip!

 

[Angela53510]

All based on the scenario created in the fiction books by Tim Lahaye - the Left Behind series. This microchip thing is probably NOT the supposed "mark of the beast."

Do you really base your life on a bunch of fiction books that occurred in the 1980's? One generation from the founding of secular Israel. In other words, a false prophecy?

Besides, I always took my own lunch when I worked!

 

[Desdichado]

I don't even like using a debit card.

 

[Reborn]

It appears to be voluntary NOW, but we all know how that works!

Discounts? Bonus Points after a certain amount of times used?

Any "coming MOTB" believers:
All "marks" in the Bible are spiritual.
There will be no Michael Bay movie type ending to the world.
God doesn't work this way.

Even if this does happen---no cheap, little junky electronic device that's embedded in the head or hand, is going to separate us from the love of Christ and His promises.
God doesn't work this way.

He searches the hearts and minds......not the hand and the forehead.
God does work this way.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Any "coming MOTB" believers:
All "marks" in the Bible are spiritual.
There will be no Michael Bay movie type ending to the world.
God doesn't work this way.

And we "accept" this based on what? Your say-so? Uh ... no.

Some say the "mark" is a tatoo. Others, an imbedded chip. Could be a credit card. Maybe a bar code. While those items may be an indication of what is to come, Bible scholars agree that the mark of the beast will be a recognizable sign of those who have voluntarily chosen to follow the Antichrist. That is because the Greek χάραγμα -- transliterated charagma -- is best rendered "stamp," or "imprinted mark." There's nothing "spiritual" about a stamp or imprint on the skin. It's physical, and it could be any of those things I just mentioned.

 

[Desdichado]

Discounts? Bonus Points after a certain amount of times used?

Any "coming MOTB" believers:
All "marks" in the Bible are spiritual.
There will be no Michael Bay movie type ending to the world.
God doesn't work this way.

Even if this does happen---no cheap, little junky electronic device that's embedded in the head or hand, is going to separate us from the love of Christ and His promises.
God doesn't work this way.

He searches the hearts and minds......not the hand and the forehead.
God does work this way.

Why?! The Rock ​was a fantastic film!

 

[Reborn]

And we "accept" this based on what? Your say-so? Uh ... no.

Some say the "mark" is a tatoo. Others, an imbedded chip. Could be a credit card. Maybe a bar code. While those items may be an indication of what is to come, Bible scholars agree that the mark of the beast will be a recognizable sign of those who have voluntarily chosen to follow the Antichrist. That is because the Greek χάραγμα -- transliterated charagma -- is best rendered "stamp," or "imprinted mark." There's nothing "spiritual" about a stamp or imprint on the skin. It's physical, and it could be any of those things I just mentioned.

Sorry I don't look to Bible scholars for answers....you shouldn't either.
Look to your Bible.
The fact that you look to people with "degrees on truth"...will end this debate quickly.

Scripture interprets scripture.
Over and over "marks/stamps" are spiritual.
Show me a single verse that says it's a literal stamp......not your guesswork?
I will show you plenty that say it's spiritual.

Yes, God is so cruel that I can't take an electronic chip in my hand if I needed to feed my daughter?

So?...By taking A HUMAN MADE device in my hand, this will eliminate my entire spiritual walk with Him?

Sounds reasonable!!!
Sorry....that is rubbish.

Sorry,.... I don't KNOW a SINGLE person who would deny their kid food..NO MATTER what!
The God I follow wouldn't expect us too.

 

[SoulWeaver]

It should be more definite than that imo... It is supposed to be a free choice to worship the antichrist, a religion with the antichrist performing miracles to convince us he is God...
Still... Jesus opposes serving God to serving mammon (money god)... so I really dont know if this will be the mark
I wouldnt accept it, whether it was "the mark" or not. So yeah pretty sure I would quit or get fired. Nobody has any business having electronics built into my body. I'm not a slave except to Christ, I sell my work and skill, not my body. This is a basic human right. The decree of so called human rights is the enemy. It is made by these same corporate people as a joke to tell us which rights they graciously give us. Every human knows what human rights are they are given by God and it's much longer of a list than theirs... rant over!

 

[Anonimous]

Sorry I don't look to Bible scholars for answers....you shouldn't either.
Look to your Bible.
The fact that you look to people with "degrees on truth"...will end this debate quickly.

Scripture interprets scripture.
Over and over "marks/stamps" are spiritual.
Show me a single verse that says it's a literal stamp......not your guesswork?
I will show you plenty that say it's spiritual.

Yes, God is so cruel that I can't take an electronic chip in my hand if I needed to feed my daughter?

So?...By taking A HUMAN MADE device in my hand, this will eliminate my entire spiritual walk with Him?

Sounds reasonable!!!
Sorry....that is rubbish.

Sorry,.... I don't KNOW a SINGLE person who would deny their kid food..NO MATTER what!
The God I follow wouldn't expect us too.

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." 12Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

(If this mark is only spiritual... symbolic, as many think...taking it and rationalizing the reason for taking it can go on and on. God will not care about our rationalization. It will be no excuse. And since the church will be here until the end, using the reasoning that "it can't be the 'mark' since I'm still here" so I'll just accept it, isn't going to work.

 

[Anonimous]

So, I suppose when God says that those who worship the beast will be tormented forever and ever... that is purely symbolic? The "mark" is a mark. John wasn't an idiot... if he "SAW" a mark... it would have to be a real, physical, mark. He wouldn't have seen their minds or attitudes. He saw a mark... just as says.

 

[Anonimous]

Nothing says we must accept it. They may tell that we must... but whether we do or not is up to us... God will not accept our reasoning. He says what He says, and means what He says.

 

[Reborn]

I believe, that all of Revelation is a puzzle, and that puzzle can be assembled by the every day man, led by the Holy Spirit.

I can not explain my thoughts on the mark of the beast, with explaining, the two beasts, I can't explain the two beasts without explaining my thoughts on the Great Babylon, I can't explain the Great Ba........and on and on.

Would take pages and days.
When it comes to prophecy...it is never simple to explain (simple to learn though)...or anything we can get through in a couple of posts.

My thoughts on /the mystery of "the mark of the beast" is just one tiny piece to the entire puzzle, brother.
It all goes together.

"The mark" is not what everyone thinks it is.....just my opinion.
You have your thoughts....I have mine.
On this subject, sadly, we may never agree.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Sorry I don't look to Bible scholars for answers....you shouldn't either.
Look to your Bible.

I did "look to my Bible." Your assumption I didn't is quite telling about what kind of spirit by which you operate here. I also know the Greek and the Hebrew. That's how I know the definition of χάραγμα.

You want to reject that, fine, no skin off my nose. But it doesn't say much for your care of scholarship and exegetical integrity.

By taking A HUMAN MADE device in my hand, this will eliminate my entire spiritual walk with Him?

What makes you think you're going to be here for the event? I plan on being in heaven, through physical death or rapture, makes no difference to me.

I don't KNOW a SINGLE person who would deny their kid food..NO MATTER what!

Well, maybe you will be here for that event after all. If you don't trust God to provide all your needs and those of your kids through the Tribulation -- assuming the rapture isn't before the Tribulation as I believe it will be -- then you must not trust God for much, huh?

 

[Reborn]

I did "look to my Bible." Your assumption I didn't is quite telling about what kind of spirit by which you operate here. I also know the Greek and the Hebrew. That's how I know the definition of χάραγμα.

You want to reject that, fine, no skin off my nose. But it doesn't say much for your care of scholarship and exegetical integrity.

What makes you think you're going to be here for the event? I plan on being in heaven, through physical death or rapture, makes no difference to me.

Well, maybe you will be here for that event after all. If you don't trust God to provide all your needs and those of your kids through the Tribulation -- assuming the rapture isn't before the Tribulation as I believe it will be -- then you must not trust God for much, huh?

Cool.

You have your thoughts on what is "truth"
I have my thoughts on what is "truth"

Opinions can't be debated.
I like red...you like blue...how can we prove which color is indeed the better color?

Now if you are happy with what has been revealed by the Holy Spirit to you,... then that should bring you peace brother.
That's good.

I know I have peace.
....and as a fellow brother of mine, you should be happy for me too.

.....no skin off my nose.

Right.
By how you speak to others......that obsessive need to have everyone agree with you......my guess is that you want everyone to like the color blue though?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I know I have peace.
....and as a fellow brother of mine, you should be happy for me too.

I am happy for you, absolutely.

...that obsessive need to have everyone agree with you...

Interesting that your conclusions are a revelation of the Holy Spirit -- and not that you would be arrogant so as to disparage others in theirs either, of course ...

.. but an expression of my conclusions, while acknowledged as Spirit-led, they are also "an obsessive need to have everyone agree with" me.

I'll let the Spirit lead others to a conclusion about that dichotomy. God bless.

 

[Reborn]

I am happy for you, absolutely.

Interesting that your conclusions are a revelation of the Holy Spirit -- and not that you would be arrogant so as to disparage others in theirs either, of course ...

.. but an expression of my conclusions, while acknowledged as Spirit-led, they are also "an obsessive need to have everyone agree with" me.

I'll let the Spirit lead others to a conclusion about that dichotomy. God bless.

Subtle.

Stating ones/alls opinions on threads is one thing......it lets those who read them, get different perspectives.

Final answers are from the Holy Spirit.

Beating and grinding our opinions, never letting up, or even getting irritated,
...is a completely different thing.

That is not passion to spread the word or truth...that is passion in wanting to be right.

Sorry.
It is what it is.

 

[PennEd]

"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." 12Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

(If this mark is only spiritual... symbolic, as many think...taking it and rationalizing the reason for taking it can go on and on. God will not care about our rationalization. It will be no excuse. And since the church will be here until the end, using the reasoning that "it can't be the 'mark' since I'm still here" so I'll just accept it, isn't going to work.

Good point.Also if this is JUST a Spiritual mark, why do you NEED it to buy and sell? Makes absolutely no sense to take this mark any other way than literal.