US and Israel ties being frayed over Iran

[InSpiritInTruth]

Could this be the issue that causes the US and others to turn on Israel?

U.S.-Israel ties fraying over Netanyahu's planned Iran speech

Obama to veto bill letting Congress weigh in on Iran deal

 

[p_rehbein]

Honestly, in my opinion, the reason "relations" are being frayed is because of the ideology of this Administration which bends over backwards to keep from offending anyone/anything Muslim, while disrespecting Israel at every opportunity.

Iran has been a thorn in the side of the Free World for years and years...........Iran isn't the problem between Israel and the US, Obama is.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Why the US would want to make deal with Iran, a country who hates Israel with a passion, supports terrorists, and calls America the great Satan is beyond me.

 

[Desdichado]

Why the US would want to make deal with Iran, a country who hates Israel with a passion, supports terrorists, and calls America the great Satan is beyond me.

Perhaps this cheap peace is America simply living up to its nickname.

 

[dcontroversal]

Honestly, in my opinion, the reason "relations" are being frayed is because of the ideology of this Administration which bends over backwards to keep from offending anyone/anything Muslim, while disrespecting Israel at every opportunity.

Iran has been a thorn in the side of the Free World for years and years...........Iran isn't the problem between Israel and the US, Obama is.

Totally agree with this for sure.....!

 

[jahsoul]

I still don't get what the big deal is; we can talk all this stuff about Iran but fact of the matter is the state of Israel is the country in the Middle East with the US propped military (see where majority of our billions in annual aid goes) and they are the nation with Nukes, not Iran.

What has Iran done to be a thorn in the side of the free world that no other country has done? Honestly, I equate a lot of stuff to either hate towards Muslims or blind love to a manmade state; either way, a lot of people don't have balance on this issue.

People can talk all of this stuff about Obama and the state of Israel but the truth is, they will continue taking tax payer dollars no matter how loud they roar and they will continue to be the only one in that region who is "allowed" to have nuclear weapons. (from stolen US documents at that). Who in that region has a military equivalent to the state of Israel. Crap, Iran doesn't even have an Air Force but they are a world terror? lol

 

[dcontroversal]

I still don't get what the big deal is; we can talk all this stuff about Iran but fact of the matter is the state of Israel is the country in the Middle East with the US propped military (see where majority of our billions in annual aid goes) and they are the nation with Nukes, not Iran.

What has Iran done to be a thorn in the side of the free world that no other country has done? Honestly, I equate a lot of stuff to either hate towards Muslims or blind love to a manmade state; either way, a lot of people don't have balance on this issue.

People can talk all of this stuff about Obama and the state of Israel but the truth is, they will continue taking tax payer dollars no matter how loud they roar and they will continue to be the only one in that region who is "allowed" to have nuclear weapons. (from stolen US documents at that). Who in that region has a military equivalent to the state of Israel. Crap, Iran doesn't even have an Air Force but they are a world terror? lol

Does Israel chant death to America while burning the American flag and identifying us as the Great Satan?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Yes, I have to agree. You're right.

Honestly, in my opinion, the reason "relations" are being frayed is because of the ideology of this Administration which bends over backwards to keep from offending anyone/anything Muslim, while disrespecting Israel at every opportunity.

Iran has been a thorn in the side of the Free World for years and years...........Iran isn't the problem between Israel and the US, Obama is.

 

[jahsoul]

Does Israel chant death to America while burning the American flag and identifying us as the Great Satan?

Why would they when we are they reason they are in the position they are in? And how often do we ignore the blowback from our horrible interventionist foreign policy? To say that those feelings came out of thin air would mean you overlooked documented history of the US Middle Eastern policies.

 

[dcontroversal]

Why would they when we are they reason they are in the position they are in? And how often do we ignore the blowback from our horrible interventionist foreign policy? To say that those feelings came out of thin air would mean you overlooked documented history of the US Middle Eastern policies.

No offence but I have overlooked nothing when it comes to the policies of the U.S. We have played everybody against everybody while printing money and buying off those who we could not use threats, sanctions, military force against...just to name a few things on the list............! All for the sake of oil and the industrial revolution led by the geo/political/military machine......!

 

[jahsoul]

No offence but I have overlooked nothing when it comes to the policies of the U.S. We have played everybody against everybody while printing money and buying off those who we could not use threats, sanctions, military force against...just to name a few things on the list............!

I wasn't saying that you overlooked anything; it was a general statement saying that if you (anyone) believe that Iran just began to hate the US without cause overlooked history so no offense taken.

A lot of Americans don't understand that we are hated as a country, not because we are free or democracy, but because of empiralism (which the founders of this nation warned us about). A lot of Middle Eastern countries don't like us for one of 3 reasons:

1. Oil
2. Choosing the state of Israel as an ally doing the SOI preemptive strikes of the 50s-70s and
3. Our policy of bomb now, question later

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

A lot of Americans don't understand that we are hated as a country, not because we are free or democracy, but because of empiralism ...

1. It's "Imperialism"

2. Tell me, what countries we've conquered and occupied? Tell me, what slaves have we taken? Tell me, what monarchs or duchys have we subjugated?

You have to redefine imperialism to make the U.S. an imperialistic nation, and that's what the far-looney-left has done to describe their own country! It's insane. It is utterly foolish to call the U.S. an "imperialistic nation." As Colin Powell said when the former archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, asked him if the U.S. was relying too much on "hard power" such as military action as opposed to "soft power" such as appealing to the common values of the major religions and building trust based on those values. Powell responded by affirming the "soft power" of values but that it was the "hard power" of the military that, for example, helped free Europe and so the "soft power" of peace and reconstruction could take place. Then Powell said:
:

"We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works."

And he was absolutely right then, and if he said it today, he'd still be right. People on the left refuse to understand that truth.

A lot of Middle Eastern countries don't like us for one of 3 reasons:

1. Oil
2. Choosing the state of Israel as an ally doing the SOI preemptive strikes of the 50s-70s and
3. Our policy of bomb now, question later

You don't understand that, with the exception of Iran and Assad of Syria, the Mideast countries like the U.S. Our enemy is Islamic extremism. You don't understand that this is a religious movement. ISIS self-proclaimed leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has declared himself the long-awaited caliph, who will usher in their misconception of the "end of days" that they think will put them in control of the world.

It is dangerous to mix the level of education, which is quite high among these radical jihadii, with the extremist view of the end times. Frighteningly, in one form or another, all 1.1 billion Muslims in the world accept this end-times teaching in one form or another, and as ISIS grows and becomes more powerful, more and more of those 1.1 billion will buy into al-Baghdadi's theology.

Our enemy isn't any one Mideastern nation. It is extremist Islam, and that threatens to become all of Islam while our utter failure of a president sits twiddling his thumbs hoping to leave at least one legacy behind in a non-nuclear Iran. 1) That isn't going to happen, because they are going to be nuclear regardless, and 2) he's either too stupid and disengaged to recognize #1, or he actually is helping foment #1, and I'll leave the reader of this post to figure out why he would do that.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Iran calls Obama's 10-year nuclear demand 'unacceptable'

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Just watched the last part of the BIBI speech, he seems focused on the Iran deal, and says a bad deal with Iran is worse than no deal at all. He also said Israel is willing to stand on it's own if need be, which tells me Israel will not hesitate to bomb Iran if they see it necessary for their own protection and safety.

Now we'll see if the allied nations will throw Israel under the bus.

 

[jahsoul]

1. It's "Imperialism"

2. Tell me, what countries we've conquered and occupied? Tell me, what slaves have we taken? Tell me, what monarchs or duchys have we subjugated?

You have to redefine imperialism to make the U.S. an imperialistic nation, and that's what the far-looney-left has done to describe their own country! It's insane. It is utterly foolish to call the U.S. an "imperialistic nation." As Colin Powell said when the former archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, asked him if the U.S. was relying too much on "hard power" such as military action as opposed to "soft power" such as appealing to the common values of the major religions and building trust based on those values. Powell responded by affirming the "soft power" of values but that it was the "hard power" of the military that, for example, helped free Europe and so the "soft power" of peace and reconstruction could take place. Then Powell said:
:
And he was absolutely right then, and if he said it today, he'd still be right. People on the left refuse to understand that truth.

Thanks for the spell check!

Anywho, it's not hard to research "American Imperialism" and see that it doesn't take a redefinition to understand the concept. It's not imperialism in the way the

I see you have a picture of a soldier as your avatar. I am a veteran of the US Air Force myself so hopefully you can understand the concept that is presented.

How many military bases and embassies are spread across the world? Why is the United States seen as the "world's police." How often do countries seek the United States counsel or help? In looking at Colin Powell's quote, do you find it ironic that you speak that the left (I don't adhere to a left or right train of thought; at the end, you aren't really different) refuse to understand the truth, while touting a foreign policy created by progressives. *shrugs* And if you want to be technical, what's called "US Territories" are for lack of a better phrase, spoils of war. And lets not even look at Hawaii, but I digress.

You don't understand that, with the exception of Iran and Assad of Syria, the Mideast countries like the U.S. Our enemy is Islamic extremism. You don't understand that this is a religious movement. ISIS self-proclaimed leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has declared himself the long-awaited caliph, who will usher in their misconception of the "end of days" that they think will put them in control of the world.

It is dangerous to mix the level of education, which is quite high among these radical jihadii, with the extremist view of the end times. Frighteningly, in one form or another, all 1.1 billion Muslims in the world accept this end-times teaching in one form or another, and as ISIS grows and becomes more powerful, more and more of those 1.1 billion will buy into al-Baghdadi's theology.

Our enemy isn't any one Mideastern nation. It is extremist Islam, and that threatens to become all of Islam while our utter failure of a president sits twiddling his thumbs hoping to leave at least one legacy behind in a non-nuclear Iran. 1) That isn't going to happen, because they are going to be nuclear regardless, and 2) he's either too stupid and disengaged to recognize #1, or he actually is helping foment #1, and I'll leave the reader of this post to figure out why he would do that.

You're older than me so you must remember when the US and Iran were allies right? What caused the divide in that? Also, If you have a moment, look at the foundation of these radical muslim groups that you speak of:

Al Quida - Propped by the US
Hamas - Propped by the State of Israel
ISIS - Backed by the US in the opposition of Assad

Now, you want to make this a religious war but isn't it strange that these groups grew from foreign policy. We can talk about Obama all day, but truth is, you won't find much difference between Bush and Obama foreign policy. I view radical muslims who want every one to be Muslims and radical Christians who want to kill all radical muslims equally. Not saying that you are in that group, but the sentiment exist with a lot.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

How many military bases and embassies are spread across the world?

One, you apparently aren't aware that every nation has embassies inside every other nation. It's called "diplomacy" and "foreign policy" and every nation does it, everywhere.

As for the number of military bases, we have 662 bases in 38 countries. That isn't anywhere close to the recently stated nonsense of Rand Paul who claimed we had over 900 bases in nearly 100 countries.

Why is the United States seen as the "world's police."

That's a very good question, and you should answer that yourself, given I can cite countless national and international conflicts in which the U.S. has refused to involve itself just over the last 25 years.

How often do countries seek the United States counsel or help?

Often, though I can't give an exact answer. I'm not privvy to State and Pentagon communiques that would reveal those facts and figures. However, let me as you this: Why do other countries seek our help? Why not turn to South Africa, Nigeria, Brazil, The Philippines, India, Congo? I think my selection of nations in the rhetoric will give you the answer you don't want given. They call us because we are the only nation world that is both capable of providing that help, and whom they trust not to then attempt to take over their nation afterward.

In looking at Colin Powell's quote, do you find it ironic that you speak that the left... refuse to understand the truth, while touting a foreign policy created by progressives. *shrugs*

Powell worked for George W. Bush, and to describe him as a progressive, and his foreign policy and defense brain trust as "progressive" is laughable.

And if you want to be technical, what's called "US Territories" are for lack of a better phrase, spoils of war.

Obviously you think you know how our territories were acquired, but I assure you, the question's endpoint indicates you're clueless. Spain ceded its colonies of Cuba, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines at the end of the Spanish-American War, but not to the U.S. Rather than let them fend for themselves, the U.S. offered to make them autonomous protectorates, which they all gratefully accepted.

Briefly...

• Wake Island was empty of inhabitants and claimed by the U.S. as a Pacific military base.
• American Samoa sought to become a U.S. protectorate and territory as a result of the Second Samoan Civil War.
• The Panama Canal Zone was an unincorporated neutral zone managed by the U.S. in agreement with Panama until 1999.
• The U.S. Virgin Islands were purchased from Denmark to prevent the establishment of a German U-Boat base there before WWI.
• The Trust Territories of the Pacific were a U.N. trust managed by the U.S. until given independence in 1986.
• The Marianas Islands chose not to become independent, but sought and was granted status as a U.S. territory in 1978.

And lets not even look at Hawaii, but I digress.

Again, you believe BS instead of history. The Kingdom of Hawaii was closely linked by missionary work and trade to the U.S. by the 1880s. In 1893 business leaders overthrew the Queen and sought annexation. President Grover Cleveland strongly disapproved, so Hawaii set up an independent republic. Southern Democrats in Congress strongly opposed a non-white addition. President William McKinley, a Republican, secured a Congressional resolution in 1898, and the small republic joined the U.S. All its citizens became full U.S. citizens.

You're older than me so you must remember when the US and Iran were allies right? What caused the divide in that?

The violent overthrow of the Shah by so-called "Grand" Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

Also, If you have a moment, look at the foundation of these radical muslim groups that you speak of:

Al Quida - Propped by the US
Hamas - Propped by the State of Israel
ISIS - Backed by the US in the opposition of Assad

Every single one of those "assertions" is a bad distortion of history and an outright lie. Al-Qaeda did grow out of the Afghan mujaheddin who felt the U.S. abandoned them after helping them drive out the Russians, but those who started the terrorist group were of radicalized medieval Islamic beliefs to begin with, and had opposed U.S. help, claiming "Allah" would help them be victorious. Hamas was never supported by Israel, and anything you post purporting to "prove" that is nothing but a fabrication of conspiracy theoriests. ISIS is the ultimate radicalized medieval Islamic faith, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi having declared himself the Last Caliph who supposedly will lead Islam to world victory. So again, you're wrong.

Now, you want to make this a religious war but isn't it strange that these groups grew from foreign policy. We can talk about Obama all day, but truth is, you won't find much difference between Bush and Obama foreign policy.

Really? You think Bush would allow Iran to go nuclear? You truly are clueless, aren't you?

I view radical muslims who want every one to be Muslims and radical Christians who want to kill all radical muslims equally.

In that case, we have nothing left to say to one another. Anyone who can't see the difference between this barbarian group of radicalized animals in black hoods, looking like ancient Persian soldiers, and today's Christian, has no business attempting to hold an intelligent conversation on the subject, he being blind as a bat sociopolitically and spiritually.

 

[jahsoul]

In that case, we have nothing left to say to one another. Anyone who can't see the difference between this barbarian group of radicalized animals in black hoods, looking like ancient Persian soldiers, and today's Christian, has no business attempting to hold an intelligent conversation on the subject, he being blind as a bat sociopolitically and spiritually.

This is the only thing that I will address now because I don't have much time to read through all of that.....

Reading your last paragraph and then reading your signature; nevermind..........


But I tend to look at these more spiritually than sociologically, because you know, as a Christian, I under that the Word tells us that this is not carnal. That being said, what's the difference between Muslim who want to give over their incorrect theology over "christians" who want muslims dead over their misapplied theology. Think about it, their misapplied theology is so strong that it has them totally ignoring the fact that Christ tells us to love our enemies. So you (generally speaking) want a "barbarian group of radicalized animals in black hoods, looking like ancient Persian solders" dead? If that's Christlike to you (again generally speaking), who is the one spiritually blind?

Again, I will respond to the rest when I get more than 5-10 minutes spare time..