8 Year old Girl die's because mother beleived she had demons.

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Richie_2uk

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In 2013 I watched the news about an 8 year old girl died in her bedroom which was heart breaking enough although the full story wasn't published. I was watching the news this morning, I was saddened to rehear that same 8 year old girl was subject to cruelty, abuse and neglect and was pointed at her for having to many demons. Ayesha Ali, 8 year old died in 2013. I know all this took place in 2013, but just shows you how the devil brings up the past and makes it worse.

Ayesha Ali was found dead in her bedroom with more than 50 injuries including bite-marks, in August 2013.
At the Old Bailey, the girl's mother, Polly Chowdhury, 35, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for manslaughter.
Jailing her lover and co-defendant, Kiki Muddar, 43, for 18-years for the same crime, the judge described her as a "manipulative, wicked woman". Judge Christopher Moss QC told the court Ayesha's mother had "disgracefully failed" in her role, to keep her daughter safe.

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During the trial, the court heard Muddar made Chowdhury believe her daughter was "evil" by creating a fantasy world full of characters on social media who told her Ayesha needed to be punished.
One alias Muddar created was spirit guide "Skyman", whom she used to manipulate Chowdhury into believing Ayesha had "bad blood" and needed to be disciplined to rid her of "evil spirits".
The abuse came to a head on 28 August 2013, when Ayesha was killed at the family home in Chadwell Heath.
Chowdhury told the court Ayesha was hurt while Muddar was giving her a cold bath as punishment for wetting herself.
'Brainwashed'

A post-mortem examination revealed the girl died from a blow or blows to the head which Judge Moss said could have been caused by contact with the bath rim or inflicted by Chowdhury or Muddar.
Judge Moss said Ayesha was subjected to a "life of cruelty and misery that defies belief" in the months before her death.
The court heard Ayesha was regularly beaten with wooden spoons, made to perform household chores such as repeatedly cleaning the bathroom, made to go without food or forced to eat too much for misdemeanours set out by Muddar.
During sentencing, Judge Moss said he believed Muddar bore the "lion's share of responsibility", after a psychiatrist found she had not been delusional in her actions.

During sentencing, the judge also paid tribute to the "courage and personal restraint" of Ayesha's father Afsar Ali, who had to learn the disturbing details of how his daughter died as the case unfolded.
Following the verdicts, Mr Ali said: "This has been the hardest and most difficult thing that I have ever had to do in my life.

"I lost a battle I never agreed to fight. I cry every night; each teardrop engraves yet another scar."

In mitigation, Chowdhury's lawyer, Ali Bajwa QC, said Muddar "skilfully and mercilessly" seized upon Chowdhury's weakness and "excessively gullible and trusting character".

"She was brainwashed entirely", he said.

We hear such tragedies all around the world, but the question still remains as to how a person can be so cruel and so manipultive towards there own Child/children?, It really hurts me to hear these stories. All we can do is pray for the family and pray that the mother and mother inlaw sees sense and ask God for forgiveness.
 
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Richie_2uk

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She is with our father God now, were she cannot be abused, neglected, or used as a punch bag, or be cruel to. I thank God for that.
 
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Can a child as young as that have to many demons? Or was it the mother's demons that killed the little girl?
 
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And they say beliefs should be respected...
 

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Can a child as young as that have to many demons? Or was it the mother's demons that killed the little girl?
It's hard to say.

If Mark 7: 24-30 and Matthew 15:21-28 are any indication, children can be possessed by demons. I suppose if you are old enough to make a decision to accept Christ as Lord and Savior (which can be quite young), you are young enough to be exposed to demonic activity.

Being so far removed from the situation, it is hard for me to make a judgment on what exactly happen. The tragedy is that the mother did not heed the warning of Colossians 2:8. Instead of confronting the demons (hers or her daughter's) as the Bible directs, she relied on pagan remedies (or so it seems).

I do hope the little girl came to a saving knowledge of Christ.
 
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Richie_2uk

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And they say beliefs should be respected...
Depends what beleif it is, but still no right for a person to treat there Kids that way no matter what they beleif is,
 
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Depends what beleif it is, but still no right for a person to treat there Kids that way no matter what they beleif is,
No I agree. But when you think your being told by a Muslim angel called skyman that your daughter is possessed by demons...Then supernatural 'beliefs' have a lot to answer for.
 
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Richie_2uk

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It's hard to say.

If Mark 7: 24-30 and Matthew 15:21-28 are any indication, children can be possessed by demons. I suppose if you are old enough to make a decision to accept Christ as Lord and Savior (which can be quite young), you are young enough to be exposed to demonic activity.

Being so far removed from the situation, it is hard for me to make a judgment on what exactly happen. The tragedy is that the mother did not heed the warning of Colossians 2:8. Instead of confronting the demons (hers or her daughter's) as the Bible directs, she relied on pagan remedies (or so it seems).

I do hope the little girl came to a saving knowledge of Christ.
But the little girl was not possesed, or had demons, it was her mother who had demons, the poor kid, was beaten up with wooden spoons, her own mother thought that she had bad blood, the poor kid was scared so she would wet the bed, so the mother would give her cold baths, she was forced to eat too much food, then she would starve the kid with no food, she was forced to do chores, and if she didnt, she would be classified as demonic. and the mother had the nerve to say that the little girl had evil spirits?? Poor kid didnt know whether she was coming or going, she didnt have a life. her life was in her bedroom, forced to do this or that, I just wonder how someone can be that cruel, and even to say that there kids has demons.

The good thing she is with the LORD now, were she cannot recieve anymore abuse or bad treatment or cruelty.
 
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No I agree. But when you think your being told by a Muslim angel called skyman that your daughter is possessed by demons...Then supernatural 'beliefs' have a lot to answer for.
True enough. It reminds me of that case a few years ago in which a minister ended up killing a child during the course of an exorcism. The supernatural is every bit as much a part of reality as the "natural," so the question ultimately falls under how you evaluate reality and deal with it.

The trouble with people who hyper-focus on the supernatural is that they forget that there is also a natural. If that makes any sense.
 
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I know this happens all over the world. And I should not get to mad at these people. I ask God to forgive the mother and mother inlaw. But still I shouldnt get mad and angry. but soemtimes you can't help it, I wouldnt be human if I didnt care about it. but all we can do is pray for them,
 

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But the little girl was not possesed, or had demons, it was her mother who had demons, the poor kid, was beaten up with wooden spoons, her own mother thought that she had bad blood, the poor kid was scared so she would wet the bed, so the mother would give her cold baths, she was forced to eat too much food, then she would starve the kid with no food, she was forced to do chores, and if she didnt, she would be classified as demonic. and the mother had the nerve to say that the little girl had evil spirits?? Poor kid didnt know whether she was coming or going, she didnt have a life. her life was in her bedroom, forced to do this or that, I just wonder how someone can be that cruel, and even to say that there kids has demons.

The good thing she is with the LORD now, were she cannot recieve anymore abuse or bad treatment or cruelty.
I sincerely doubt that the daughter was possessed or dealt with demonic spirits herself. I'm just saying it is a possibility especially in a crazy atmosphere of that kind. The information you posted doesn't seem to confirm one way or another.

Regardless, she was murdered by her mother and Muddar who were likely either demon influenced, psychotic, or some combination thereof.

Furthermore, how do we know the girl is with a Lord? That's a possibility too, but nothing we can say for certain. I certainly hope she is.
 
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I sincerely doubt that the daughter was possessed or dealt with demonic spirits herself. I'm just saying it is a possibility especially in a crazy atmosphere of that kind. The information you posted doesn't seem to confirm one way or another.

Regardless, she was murdered by her mother and Muddar who were likely either demon influenced, psychotic, or some combination thereof.

Furthermore, how do we know the girl is with a Lord? That's a possibility too, but nothing we can say for certain. I certainly hope she is.
Because Jesus said suffer the little children come unto thee, thats how I know she has gone to the lord, I agree that the parents may have been influenced by demons, But a child is not demonic all because she wont do a chore,, She life was subjected to the lowest of cruelty and missery. but yes I beleive she is with the Lord now,
 

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My goodness that's heartbreaking. That girls experience of life on earth was 8 years of misery, that's all she knew. I really hope the mother comes to her senses and seeks help. Such a waste of a precious life, she looked like a gorgeous girl too.
 
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My goodness that's heartbreaking. That girls experience of life on earth was 8 years of misery, that's all she knew. I really hope the mother comes to her senses and seeks help. Such a waste of a precious life, she looked like a gorgeous girl too.
I know, My whole day was saddened with that story. |But thank God she with him now, But all we can do is pray for there salvation.
 
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I know this happens all over the world. And I should not get to mad at these people. I ask God to forgive the mother and mother inlaw. But still I shouldnt get mad and angry. but soemtimes you can't help it, I wouldnt be human if I didnt care about it. but all we can do is pray for them,
Forgiveness is the one thing they certainly do not deserve. The Lunatics deserve everything they get.
 
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Forgiveness is the one thing they certainly do not deserve. The Lunatics deserve everything they get.
Plus I can't believe after something like this has happened there is STILL talk among people here of demons being responsible? How is that any more sane than the people who are responsible for that girls death.

What century are we living in?
 

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Because Jesus said suffer the little children come unto thee, thats how I know she has gone to the lord, I agree that the parents may have been influenced by demons, But a child is not demonic all because she wont do a chore,, She life was subjected to the lowest of cruelty and missery. but yes I beleive she is with the Lord now,
But the article also said that she received beatings and physical abuse with some regularity. It seems to have been ritualized.

The "children" in that context though were infants who were, because of their stage in development, unable to make a decision regarding faith. You're comparing apples and oranges.
 

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Forgiveness is the one thing they certainly do not deserve. The Lunatics deserve everything they get.
This whole time you have been on this forum, have you learnt nothing?
Surely we need the spirit of God to change our ways and soften our hard hearts.
 

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Plus I can't believe after something like this has happened there is STILL talk among people here of demons being responsible? How is that any more sane than the people who are responsible for that girls death.

What century are we living in?
Yes, my recognition of the supernatural as reality is clearly comparable to beating a child to death at the behest of a shaman and her pet spirit.

I suppose Niel DeGrasse Tyson is just as awful as Mao Zedong because they both reject a literal reading of Genesis.