​Ted Cruz appeals to Christian conservatives in 2016 kickoff

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He may end up a VP candidate, MAYBE is what I said.........I still see Walker, Rubio and the last minute surprise Kasich as being the top tier Nominees.............Bush and Carson are 2nd tier IMO. Love Carson, but he won't reach the top tier.
 
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I think Cruz' main object in running is to get the issues out clearly and on the table...he won't win though.
 
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AgeofKnowledge said:
Part of the problem is that Ted Cruz will leave millions of American voters without adequate healthcare. Most voters below the poverty line that need ongoing medical care or have a loved one that does cannot vote for Ted Cruz without leaving themselves or their loved one(s) to rapidly medically deteriorate without healthcare, deform (if they have arthritis or some other such condition) that goes untreated, and ends up in a wrecked body on SSI or dead.

The GOP has a huge blind spot. If they would just dump their stupid tax credit feel good band aid, which does nothing for poor Americans who need healthcare because they don't earn enough income for the tax credit to even matter, and rather have a workable system in place (such as the Purple Health Plan economists support) that allows all Americans to get basic adequate health care with the ability for those who earn more to purchase private plans to go anywhere they like and get the highest level of health care available; they would see their base balloon.

But, they'll never do it. The lives of these people mean nothing to them and so they'll do without millions of votes they would otherwise have... mine included.

Many poor former Republicans now register as independents and vote for independent candidates. We would come back if the GOP found their soul with respect to healthcare and start agitating within the GOP to change it's economic and trade ideology so people can go back to work and pay taxes again. But until they retreat from their agenda of government democide with respect to healthcare: never.

To support the GOP is to support a political party who's platform implements democide. Wrapping it up in a tax credit, the American flag, and Jesus Christ doesn't change the fact that leaving millions (perhaps tens of millions) of American citizens without adequate basic healthcare is a form of democide which is wholly unChristian.

We certainly can materially increase government revenue while maintaining a low structure for individuals, families, and businesses; end the deficit and start paying down the national debt; and have a very basic social safety net. But it requires changing what we are doing to get those results. I charted how to accomplish this on my economic website (remember I'm also a straight A MBA).

But both parties are a mess and so us independents will vote for independents and not vote for either one of them.
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Very disheartening to see even reasonable people fall victim to the incessant socialism thrust on us from all directions. Why should the government be involved in OUR health care at all? I understand at this point we have to slowly wean people off all this socialism evil, but to think the solution is MORE is truly sad.
 
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Very disheartening to see even reasonable people fall victim to the incessant socialism thrust on us from all directions. Why should the government be involved in OUR health care at all? I understand at this point we have to slowly wean people off all this socialism evil, but to think the solution is MORE is truly sad.
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I was surprised at AOG's comment too. I think we need a guy like Ted Cruz. I'm skeptical that he can be elected but so were a lot of people about Ronald Reagan.
 
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I was surprised at AOG's comment too. I think we need a guy like Ted Cruz. I'm skeptical that he can be elected but so were a lot of people about Ronald Reagan.
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And yet a lot of people were displeased at Reagan when he was in office to as his policies were not that good, and even a lot of Christians were labeling him as the antichrist back then......
 
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I think Cruz' main object in running is to get the issues out clearly and on the table...he won't win though.
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Ron Paul did that 4 and 8 years ago. What new issues will Cruz bring out that wasn't presented before?
 
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yes, no accident.

Liberty Students fined $10 if they did not attend Ted Cruz speech

where is boasting? it is excluded.
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Sorry, but this is an epic fail of understanding on the part of the Tampa Bay Times, the source you have linked.

Liberty, as do most Bible colleges and seminaries, has as many as three or four weekly chapel events, and these sometimes include what would be considered "political" events. However, missing chapel or "convocation," as this event was called, is a punishable offense, ranging from reprimand to a financial fine. It is not an unusual practice at all among such schools.

The consequences for missing chapel or a convocation event are listed in the Liberty University Student Handbook, so it's not like it was a last minute thing sprung on the students. Cruz announcement was an announced convocation event. The students knew, because of what kind of event it was, they had to be there, regardless of who was speaking.
 
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Story did not mention that there are only 10,000 seats available did it? I didn't see it. There are 14,000 or so students attending Liberty, don't think the 4,000 who would not be able to get a seat would be fined.

Sounds like the liberal media trying to find any way possible to discredit/smear Cruz.
 
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p_rehbein said:
Story did not mention that there are only 10,000 seats available did it? I didn't see it. There are 14,000 or so students attending Liberty, don't think the 4,000 who would not be able to get a seat would be fined.

Sounds like the liberal media trying to find any way possible to discredit/smear Cruz.
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Ok so they did mention the seating..................and apparently, in the full article it is very clear that this "fine" policy had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Ted Cruz. Longstanding University Policy...........Which shows that folks just now wanting to make a fuss because it was Cruz speaking that day.
 
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I think Cruz' main object in running is to get the issues out clearly and on the table...he won't win though.
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Crossnote,
I said the same thing about Barrack Hussein Obama:"He won't win." In your case concerning Cruz, I hope you are wrong. Dead wrong.

Cruz has already said and done many things that are targeted, unpopular, in the media and that complacent, self-serving politicians run from. Our Country needs someone who will clean the plate. Oh Jeb won't do that. And so far, Cruz seems to be one of only a few who wants to that. I hope you are wrong.
 
p_rehbein

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Can't remember who the guy was, but there was a Politician one time on TV that said something like:

"Well, those on the left hate me, and those on the right hate me.............I must be doing something right."

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The fact that the school has a $50 fine for having an R-rated movie concerns me more than having to listen to someone students might disagree with.
 
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Nautilus said:
The fact that the school has a $50 fine for having an R-rated movie concerns me more than having to listen to someone students might disagree with.
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It's a Southern Baptist University...........their standards of conduct differ greatly from the Public Education System where R-rated movies are just part of the curricula.
 
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Ron Paul did that 4 and 8 years ago. What new issues will Cruz bring out that wasn't presented before?
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Galahad said:
Cruz has already said and done many things that are targeted, unpopular, in the media and that complacent, self-serving politicians run from. Our Country needs someone who will clean the plate. Oh Jeb won't do that. And so far, Cruz seems to be one of only a few who wants to that. I hope you are wrong.
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I will go back to what I said earlier. All you have to do is youtube Ron Paul and you will see many issues that are avoided by both parties but should be addressed. Not saying that Cruz is bad; if I had to weigh him against most of the other politicians, I would rate him 3rd behind Amash and Paul. I just don't think he is the hard hitter that everyone speaks of.
 
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