Leaked details of potential Iran deal raise ire on both sides of the aisle

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Viligant_Warrior

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Emerging details of possible Iranian nuclear deal draw bipartisan ire

Emerging details of a possible nuclear deal with Iran have drawn sharp criticism from congressional lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, who say the U.S. and its international partners may be ceding too much as a key deadline nears.

If reports are true, "then we are not inching closer to Iran’s negotiating position, but leaping toward it with both feet,” charged Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a vocal critic of the direction of the talks.

"My fear is that we are no longer guided by the principle that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal,’ but instead we are negotiating ‘any deal for a deal’s sake.’”
Obama and Kerry are either complete clueless bozos, or they are willing to sacrifice world peace to achieve whatever misguided, cockeyed, nefarious goals they have dedicated themselves to. The reader is left to speculate on those him or herself.
 
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And now the Saudis want nukes. Saudi Arabia financed much of the Pakistani nuclear program with the stipulation that they would be supplied with warheads on short notice. It's mindboggling to me what is happening. The only thing that makes sense is that like pharoah, God is hardening the hearts of men to bring His kingdom.
 

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I promise Blond didn't do it.....what is leaking?

Do you think maybe we should stop selling them stuff to make these nukes?
 
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My big brother was a Captain in the Army. He retired after Afghanistan... and I remember he taught me one thing regarding "ALL' evil hearts....."You just CAN'T negotiate with a psychopath! You just can't!"
I just pray!
 
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I thought you negotiate for a give and take. So, what exactly did American get here?
 

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Now Debka reports...

"Iran’s top war commander, Al Qods Brigades chief Gen. Qassem Soleimani, landed in Sanaa Friday, March 27, DEBKAfile reports, to organize a counter-offensive for the Saudi-Gulf-Egyptian operations against Tehran-backed Houthi rebel advances. By opening its third direct Middle East warfront after Syria and Iraq, Tehran was holding the Obama administration to its promise of support as the leading Middle East power, in return for signing a nuclear framework deal by March 31."

Thank you Obama for making such a promise to one of the 'Axis of Evil'*.

*Bush's words, not mine.
 
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I thought you negotiate for a give and take. So, what exactly did American get here?
The US never gets a ROI on investment. Crap, look at our "allies."
 

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Obama and Kerry are either complete clueless bozos, or they are willing to sacrifice world peace to achieve whatever misguided, cockeyed, nefarious goals they have dedicated themselves to. The reader is left to speculate on those him or herself.
Here's a question for you. Why do you have a picture of an attack helicopter as your profile picture, if you're a Christian, supposedly? And why is every post I have yet come across, from you, about judgement, about killing, about worshiping the newest weapon on the market, or about what countries need to be decimated by good 'ol USA?

You're clearly a violent-minded militant man. The exact kind of person who, if there was an Abrahamic God, I imagine would get turned away for being so sure you're on the right side of him.
 

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Here's a question for you. Why do you have a picture of an attack helicopter as your profile picture, if you're a Christian, supposedly? And why is every post I have yet come across, from you, about judgement, about killing, about worshiping the newest weapon on the market, or about what countries need to be decimated by good 'ol USA?

You're clearly a violent-minded militant man. The exact kind of person who, if there was an Abrahamic God, I imagine would get turned away for being so sure you're on the right side of him.
Yes children, you don't have to be a follower of a major religion or an American to be obnoxiously self-righteous.

But that's okay. This is the twenty-first century. Live how you wanna live!
 

crossnote

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Here's a question for you. Why do you have a picture of an attack helicopter as your profile picture, if you're a Christian, supposedly? And why is every post I have yet come across, from you, about judgement, about killing, about worshiping the newest weapon on the market, or about what countries need to be decimated by good 'ol USA?

You're clearly a violent-minded militant man. The exact kind of person who, if there was an Abrahamic God, I imagine would get turned away for being so sure you're on the right side of him.
Did the dust from the 'tack copter get in your eyes?...a complete non sequiter and off topic.
 
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Here's a question for you. Why do you have a picture of an attack helicopter as your profile picture, if you're a Christian, supposedly?
I served as a combat helicopter pilot and U.S. Army officer proudly for 20 years. You got a problem with that? Your government doesn't. They rather like U.S. vets, so get over it.

And why is every post I have yet come across, from you, about judgement, about killing, about worshiping the newest weapon on the market, or about what countries need to be decimated by good 'ol USA?
Interesting. You see, there are a lot of subforms on this board, and this is just one of them. This is titled "Christian News Forum" which is where news gets posted and discussed.

But here's the thing: There is a Bible Discussion Forum, and I've yet to see you there, which, as you have joined a Christian message board, would be a place you would go to find me discussing the Bible, Christian doctrine, and providing (as best I can) guidance to those with questions. Something you could use, so I invite you to visit there, soon.

You're clearly a violent-minded militant man. The exact kind of person who, if there was an Abrahamic God, I imagine would get turned away for being so sure you're on the right side of him.
I'll overlook your judgmental impudence as a produce of your brash youth, lack of faith, and ultra-liberal and misguided upbringing. God bless.
 

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I served as a combat helicopter pilot and U.S. Army officer proudly for 20 years. You got a problem with that? Your government doesn't. They rather like U.S. vets, so get over it.


What my government does, a bit like your own, rarely reflects what its citizens want. We didn't want Iraq. Yet there we were. We didn't want Afghanistan, yet there we were. If your argument is that my government is a tyrannical despot for many intents and purposes, particularly to those living in the aforementioned countries, then you're spot on.

Interesting. You see, there are a lot of subforms on this board, and this is just one of them. This is titled "Christian News Forum" which is where news gets posted and discussed.
Yes, I'm not blind. My question was why do you hail the development of killing machines or post news and comments supporting wars and the like?

But here's the thing: There is a Bible Discussion Forum, and I've yet to see you there, which, as you have joined a Christian message board, would be a place you would go to find me discussing the Bible, Christian doctrine, and providing (as best I can) guidance to those with questions. Something you could use, so I invite you to visit there, soon.
I have quite a thorough understanding of the bible.

I'll overlook your judgmental impudence as a produce of your brash youth, lack of faith, and ultra-liberal and misguided upbringing. God bless.
There's nothing misguided about being brought up in an environment being taught the negativity of armed conflict. It makes me driven to avoid it!
 

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Did the dust from the 'tack copter get in your eyes?...a complete non sequiter and off topic.
I disagree, unless ''put away your sword'' and its many implications are off topic for a discussion.
 
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It is now time for the Congress to act and stop Obama on this issue.
 

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I disagree, unless ''put away your sword'' and its many implications are off topic for a discussion.
What implications are you implying?...

Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
 
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What my government does, a bit like your own, rarely reflects what its citizens want. We didn't want Iraq. Yet there we were. We didn't want Afghanistan, yet there we were. If your argument is that my government is a tyrannical despot for many intents and purposes, particularly to those living in the aforementioned countries, then you're spot on.
Actually, my argument is that your nation is our best ally. Obviously you would prefer they weren't. Pity.

Yes, I'm not blind. My question was why do you hail the development of killing machines or post news and comments supporting wars and the like?
Oh, you mean like this one?

Arthur C. Clarke wrote a short story, "Hide and Seek," in 1949 that detailed a military-industrial complex so intent on building futuristic, high-tech weapons that did wonderful things, but the fundamental designs of which forgot the basics of war, which is -- you won't like this, liberals -- "kill the enemy."

They became so engrossed in making the technology work, the failures to do so set them back, the lost territory and advantage, and found themselves defeated by an inferior force.

In the past few years, we've developed unmanned fighters, suits of high-tech armor that can make a soldier "disappear," and a variety of technogizmos that do this or that, all of which are yet to be deployed but, in the long run, are expected to do little to improve our fighting capabilities.

Hmm.
Interesting that I've only posted two such threads, one of which was regarding a laser, and this one. Apparently you don't actually read the threads, you are simply repulsed by their military nature and go off without really having a clue what the thread is about.

I have quite a thorough understanding of the bible.
If you did, you believe what it says and not question the existence of God as He has revealed Himself through it. You can't have a "thorough understanding" without belief.

There's nothing misguided about being brought up in an environment being taught the negativity of armed conflict. It makes me driven to avoid it!
If it your position armed conflict should always be avoided, your education was misguided, and most likely ultra-liberal. If you don't believe we need to fight terrorism at turn, then you're also naïve, in addition to being maleducated.
 
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There are good people and bad people and all kinds of shades in between. The shades in between are the ones whose principles, if they have any at all, are based on selfish high mindedness and self preservation and can be easily swayed with fancy rhetoric into giving away their liberty.... by the manipulation of their pride and false humility....they get sucked into a hive mentality, and when they smell the sting of one of their fellow "workers" they instinctively start stinging the perceived danger without considering that they too will mindlessly go to their death.

Just my random thought vigilant warrior about the liberals who seem to be attacking you as of late.
 

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america doesn't have any allies..we've alienated them all.. jmo
 
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america doesn't have any allies..we've alienated them all.. jmo
I actually agree but I wouldn't say that it is because of alienation. For the billions of tax payer dollars that we shell out for "aid" to our allies, I don't think we have ever seen an ROI.
 

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Actually, my argument is that your nation is our best ally. Obviously you would prefer they weren't. Pity.

Oh, you mean like this one?

Interesting that I've only posted two such threads, one of which was regarding a laser, and this one. Apparently you don't actually read the threads, you are simply repulsed by their military nature and go off without really having a clue what the thread is about.

If you did, you believe what it says and not question the existence of God as He has revealed Himself through it. You can't have a "thorough understanding" without belief.

If it your position armed conflict should always be avoided, your education was misguided, and most likely ultra-liberal. If you don't believe we need to fight terrorism at turn, then you're also naïve, in addition to being maleducated.
As opposed to the man whose only education was purposed to kill people, right?

You're a bigger idiot that I'll ever be!