Justified use of force?

[InSpiritInTruth]

Video shows Arizona officer ramming into robbery suspect

I know this guy was a criminal, and I know he had a gun, but is this type of Judge, Jury, executioner type force justified by cops?

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Video shows Arizona officer ramming into robbery suspect

I know this guy was a criminal, and I know he had a gun, but is this type of Judge, Jury, executioner type force justified by cops?

1. The suspect was not seriously injured.
2. He was dangerous and suicidal, firing the weapon in the air as he walked through a residential neighborhood.
3. He had already robbed a convenience store in Tucson, broke into a church, invaded a home and stolen a car.

The take-down was preferable to shooting the suspect, because officers don't shoot to wound, they shoot to kill. There is always the danger of innocent people being struck by stray gunfire, and no one knows what the man in his mental state would have done had officers squared off with him, guns drawn.

It is unconventional, perhaps, but the suspect is alive, he will face the charges he deserves to face, and perhaps he can get the help he needs while locked up. If he was shot dead, none of those opportunities would exist.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

1. The suspect was not seriously injured.
2. He was dangerous and suicidal, firing the weapon in the air as he walked through a residential neighborhood.
3. He had already robbed a convenience store in Tucson, broke into a church, invaded a home and stolen a car.

The take-down was preferable to shooting the suspect, because officers don't shoot to wound, they shoot to kill. There is always the danger of innocent people being struck by stray gunfire, and no one knows what the man in his mental state would have done had officers squared off with him, guns drawn.

It is unconventional, perhaps, but the suspect is alive, he will face the charges he deserves to face, and perhaps he can get the help he needs while locked up. If he was shot dead, none of those opportunities would exist.

I would say by watching the video the cops intention was to kill. Yes the suspect came out alive, but did you see how fast that cop car was going before he hit the guy? The cop car went through a brick wall right after hitting him, so I would say the cops intention was not to disarm and bring into custody, but to kill.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Since the guy was threatening suicide and had a gun, I found the cop's manuever to be both necessary and also creative. Sometimes extreme circumstances take extreme measures. The guy lived, the cops lived, as far as I know, no bystanders were killed or seriously maimed. Praise to Jesus this situation was defused without anyone being killed.

 

[Jeff_56]

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I know this guy was a criminal, and I know he had a gun, but is this type xxxxxxxxx force justified by cops?

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[tourist]

This was excessive use of force and a display of poor judgement. The officer should be suspended without pay.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I would say by watching the video the cops intention was to kill.

Then you didn't watch the video very closely. He rolled the suspect over his hood, he didn't slam him into the concrete wall, and in fact veered to the right just for the purpose of rolling the guy over and off the hood, taking the risk of he himself being hurt in the process.

You have a predisposition to believe the cop wanted to kill him, which is why you don't -- more likely, won't -- see the truth. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's reality.

This was excessive use of force and a display of poor judgement. The officer should be suspended without pay.

You and ISIT would rather the cops surround him and blow him away? The cop knew what he was doing, had no intent to kill or use excessive force, and the reality is, the suspect was only slightly injured.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Since the guy was threatening suicide and had a gun, I found the cop's manuever to be both necessary and also creative. Sometimes extreme circumstances take extreme measures. The guy lived, the cops lived, as far as I know, no bystanders were killed or seriously maimed. Praise to Jesus this situation was defused without anyone being killed.

So that's how cops should handle people who threaten suicide? Just take em out! Sounds a bit harsh to me.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Then you didn't watch the video very closely. He rolled the suspect over his hood, he didn't slam him into the concrete wall, and in fact veered to the right just for the purpose of rolling the guy over and off the hood, taking the risk of he himself being hurt in the process.

You have a predisposition to believe the cop wanted to kill him, which is why you don't -- more likely, won't -- see the truth. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's reality.

You and ISIT would rather the cops surround him and blow him away? The cop knew what he was doing, had no intent to kill or use excessive force, and the reality is, the suspect was only slightly injured.

You got the bolded part right, "veered to the right, taking the risk of he himself being hurt in the process." LOL
You act like the cop just winged him on purpose, but if that wall was not there he would have run that guy over like a squirrel. I would say the only reason the cop swerved was to protect himself, not out of any concern for the life of the criminal. What ever happened to disarming a situation, due process of law, innocent till proven guilty, trying to talk to someone who is clearly suicidal?

Sorry dude, I don't agree with death race 2015 tactics.

 

[maxwel]

If a guy is waving a gun around, I think an officer probably has legal authority to just shoot and KILL him.

This was clearly a bizarre reaction by the cop, and surely a breach of protocol,
but on the other hand, they probably could have just shot the guy... legally.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Video shows Arizona officer ramming into robbery suspect

I know this guy was a criminal, and I know he had a gun, but is this type of Judge, Jury, executioner type force justified by cops?

the po-po think they can get away with ANYTHING, simply because they have a badge and carry a weapon. :/

 

[GodIsSalvation]

So that's how cops should handle people who threaten suicide? Just take em out! Sounds a bit harsh to me.

Now don't go thinking I said hitting people with cars is now the new policy for preventing suicide. This particular situation is you had suicidal man armed with a gun walking around in public. He was about to either kill himself or hurt someone. It appears to me from the video there was really no time for choosing another option. We should just be glad no one died or got shot.

 

[p_rehbein]

So everyone is just going to ignore all the crimes this person committed and the lives he endangered prior to this incident?

just wondering............

 

[wisebeardman]

So everyone is just going to ignore all the crimes this person committed and the lives he endangered prior to this incident?

just wondering............

that is what most people do these days, don't matter if a thug has killed 50 people. if a cop kills the thug, then its bad cop.

 

[Desdichado]

I don't think the cop attempted to be judge,jury, and executioner. As others have pointed out, it was a heavy handed if necessary measure.

To the cop's credit, the man didn't end up killing himself.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

So everyone is just going to ignore all the crimes this person committed and the lives he endangered prior to this incident?

just wondering............

Don't know if it was him that committed the accused crimes or not. Even all that will come another day.

All there is evidence for to my knowledge at this point in time, or at least being publicized, is even what happened with the police arresting him for walking around with the gun. I feel bad about guy getting run over, but that's what it took to save his own life.

 

[kodiak]

Don't know if it was him that committed the accused crimes or not. Even all that will come another day.

All there is evidence for to my knowledge at this point in time, or at least being publicized, is even what happened with the police arresting him for walking around with the gun. I feel bad about guy getting run over, but that's what it took to save his own life.

The police know what they are doing, for the most part. He very well could have been a danger to the public....I don't know the whole story, and the video/article only tells part of it....

 

[kodiak]

This is also a good read if you want more information on this incident.

 

[Nautilus]

You got the bolded part right, "veered to the right, taking the risk of he himself being hurt in the process." LOL
You act like the cop just winged him on purpose, but if that wall was not there he would have run that guy over like a squirrel. I would say the only reason the cop swerved was to protect himself, not out of any concern for the life of the criminal. What ever happened to disarming a situation, due process of law, innocent till proven guilty, trying to talk to someone who is clearly suicidal?

Sorry dude, I don't agree with death race 2015 tactics.

Oh cry me a river. Even as a liberal i cant stand you bleeding heart anti cop whiners. No one got hurt and the crimiinal was stopped. Now dry your crocodile tears and do something useful. You probably still believe ferguson was a racist hate crime even though every court said it wasnt.

 

[Nautilus]

the po-po think they can get away with ANYTHING, simply because they have a badge and carry a weapon. :/

Yep anything...we should just give them billy clubs and hope for the best right? guns naw, they dont need those to stop criminals.