Muslim Soccer Player Arda Turan Obsessed by Satan!!!

[Johnwall405]

This is what a forum is for, for debating and discussing points.

Can you guys enlighten me on why famous Americans like Mohammad Ali, Kareem abdul-jabar and shaq O'Neil converted to Islam? Are they terrorists? Or how about Malcolm x? A huge influential figure to America? Ghandi said he was a practicer of all religions. And what about Muslims in the house right now like Andre Carson and Keith Ellison? I don't see their views hurting American society? Can you guys educate me on this?

 

[Magenta]

[video=youtube;UHsXWYaTlik]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHsXWYaTlik[/video]
Facts need to be openly discussed but are squelched in favour of being politically correct.

 

[Magenta]

Can you guys enlighten me on why famous Americans like Mohammad Ali, Kareem abdul-jabar and shaq O'Neil converted to Islam? Are they terrorists? Or how about Malcolm x? A huge influential figure to America? Ghandi said he was a practicer of all religions. And what about Muslims in the house right now like Andre Carson and Keith Ellison? I don't see their views hurting American society? Can you guys educate me on this?

You cannot be a practicer of all religions, and to promote such just shows how deceived you are. Obama has put people in the white house who have direct ties to terrorism.

 

[Johnwall405]

You cannot be a practicer of all religions, and to promote such just shows how deceived you are. Obama has put people in the white house who have direct ties to terrorism.

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There's really so much I can say, I'm not an expert or scholar of the religion.

 

[Johnwall405]

And I'm not deceived, I was simply quoting ghandi.."Yes I am, I am also a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Jew." -Ghandi

 

[Magenta]

There's really so much I can say, I'm not an expert or scholar of the religion.

Instead of relying on Donald Trump and fox news to educate yourself, how about you sit down and read about islam instead of being a blind follower. God bless you.

Yeah, take your advice and read up on what's going on in the world where people have been having Muslims and Islam forced on them against their will. Have you read all the verses in the Koran that tells them to kill us wherever they find us? LOL. Educate yourself, and stop pretending you know what you are talking about when you know nothing, John Snow. You can start your education here:

The Quran's Verses of Violence

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Do you know that taking others "out" with you when you commit suicide by bomb is one of, if not the only way that Muslims are assured of going to heaven? The Islamic male is also promised 72 perpetual virgins to ravage for the rest of eternity for his "holy jihad." How spiritual is that?

 

[Magenta]

And I'm not deceived, I was simply quoting ghandi.."Yes I am, I am also a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Jew." -Ghandi

That makes Gandhi a liar. Here is another video for your consideration:

[video=youtube;qgLWcsbOD8k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgLWcsbOD8k[/video]

Under shariah, raped women are condemned and stoned to death for committing adultery, while the rapists walk free. Shariah has been instituted in England.

 

[Agricola]

Can you guys enlighten me on why famous Americans like Mohammad Ali, Kareem abdul-jabar and shaq O'Neil converted to Islam? Are they terrorists? Or how about Malcolm x? A huge influential figure to America? Ghandi said he was a practicer of all religions. And what about Muslims in the house right now like Andre Carson and Keith Ellison? I don't see their views hurting American society? Can you guys educate me on this?

Where did I say that all Muslims are terrorists? This is the kind of political correctness nonsense which blinds people as to the truth.

A persons views on their own will not hurt a nation, however when those views have power behind them, then it will, how long before Muslims get into power? With a majority you will expect to see radical changes to the law and how people have to behave.

In other nations, Islam takes over by force, we see it happening in Nigeria and have recently seen it happen in the Sudan, yet the political correctness of not wanting to upset Muslims had Sudan crisis as just anything but Muslims ethnically cleansing the North, which was the real goal and truth. Now we have a 100% Islamic population in the new nation of North Sudan.

Islam is an evil religion given to the world by Satan. Do you dispute even this?

 

[Agricola]

As for why people convert to Islam, that is called free will and they can do what they like, we are told that most people will reject Christ and that is what they are doing, rejecting Christ.

 

[Magenta]

As for why people convert to Islam, that is called free will and they can do what they like, we are told that most people will reject Christ and that is what they are doing, rejecting Christ.

There are even people who call themselves Chrislamists. They think you can/they have successfully meld/ed Christianity and Islam. How deceived can one get?

 

[Magenta]

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Differences Between Muhammad and Jesus​

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Muhammad...​

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Jesus...​

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[TD="align: center"]Said Allah does not love
those who reject Islam.
(Qur'an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Neither owned nor traded slaves.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Beheaded no one.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Was celibate.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Did not have sex with children.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Never harmed a woman.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 9:123)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.
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[TD="align: center"]Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Qur'an 4:102)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Was crucified himself.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)[/TD]
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Differences Between
Early Muslims and Early Christians​

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[TD]Muhammad's Companions...
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[TD]Jesus' Disciples...
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[TD="align: center"]Lived as warriors.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Lived like harmless hippies.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Slew and persecuted religious minorities.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Were slain and persecuted
as a religious minority.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on Jihad (the way of Muhammad)

"He who fights that Allah's word should
be superior fights in Allah's cause"
(Bukhari 53:355)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on Evangelism (the way of Jesus)

"Go ye into all the world and preach
the gospel to every creature"
(Matthew 15:16)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Attacked and conquered the populations in
parts of 28 modern countries in just the first
three decades following Muhammad's death.
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[TD="align: center"]Did not resort to violence of any sort,
despite tremendous persecution.
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[TD="align: center"]Declared holy war on the people of five
major world religions in just the first
100 years following Muhammad's death.
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[TD="align: center"]Went centuries without declaring 'holy war'.
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[TD="align: center"]Plundered and lived off the wealth of others.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Gave away their possessions to those in need.
(Acts 2:44-45)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Captured and enslaved non-Muslim people.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Considered themselves to be slaves of others.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Waged war to keep members from leaving
the religion. Put apostates to death.
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[TD="align: center"]No record of aggression toward apostates.
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[TD="align: center"]Muhammad's own family members quickly
fell into armed warfare against each other.
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[TD="align: center"]Jesus' disciples never resorted to violence
against one another (or anyone else).
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[TD="align: center"]First 240 Years:
11 of the first 32 caliphs were
murdered by fellow Muslims.
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[TD="align: center"]First 240 Years:
14 of the first 25 popes were martyred by
pagans (none by fellow Christians).
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[TD="align: center"]Caliphs were polygamous and maintained harems of hundreds of captured sex slaves.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Popes were expected to be celibate.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Islamic mosques sustained by taxes forced from subjugated non-Muslims (the jizya).[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Christian churches sustained
by voluntary tithes from Christians.[/TD]
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Sourced from:
Comparing Jesus and Muhammad, Christianity and Islam <~~~Link

 

[Agricola]

We have to see something happen for a one world religion come into effect, so that the Anti-christ will be all things to all people.

 

[Magenta]

Differences Between
Islamic Teaching and Christianity[TABLE="width: 700"]
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[TD]The Qur'an
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[TD]The Bible
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[TD="align: center"]External sources (the Hadith and Sira) necessary for translating the Qur'an[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Historical context contained
within the text of the Bible[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Must know Arabic in order to "fully understand" the Qur'an (according to Muslim apologists)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Universal. Can be translated into other languages without excessive commentary.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Chronological progression of the
Quran is from peace to violence.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Chronological progression of the
Bible is from violence to peace.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]The words 'torture' and 'punishment' appear six
times more often in the Quran than in the New Testament.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]The word 'love' appears five times more often in the New Testament than than in the Qur'an,[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Contains not a single original moral value.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]The 'Sermon on the Mount' and others.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Suffering is an excuse for violent revenge
and establishment of Islam by force"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
(Qur'an 2:191)
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[TD="align: center"]Suffering builds character"We also rejoice in our sufferings,
because we know that suffering
produces perseverance; perseverance,
character; and character, hope"
(Romans 5:4)
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[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on this World"And Allah has made you heirs to their land
and their dwellings and their property"
(Qur'an 33:27)
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[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on the Next"Mine is not a kingdom of this world"
(John 18:36, see also Luke 14:33)
[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and Jews.
(Qur'an 9:29)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Share one's faith with gentleness and respect.
(1 Peter 3:15)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Martyrs as Killers

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain"
(Qur'an 9:111)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Martyrs as Martyrs

"As it is written, For thy sake we are
killed all the day long; we are
counted as sheep for the slaughter"
(Romans 8:36)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Killing Apostates

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
(Qur'an 4:89, also Bukhari 52:260, 83:37...)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Letting God Judge Apostates

"For we know Him that has said,
'Vengeance belongs unto me, I will
recompense,' says the Lord. And again,
'The Lord shall judge his people'"
(Hebrews 10:25-30)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Punishment"Let not compassion move you
from carrying out God's law..."
(Qur'an 24:2)
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[TD="align: center"]Mercy"Love is patient. Love is kind...
It keeps no record of wrongs"
(1 Corinthians 13:4-5)
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[TD="align: center"]Charity and Non-BelieversMercy toward fellow Muslims - ruthlessness toward unbelievers. Muslims are warned not to befriend those outside the faith. They must even ensure that their charity tithe (zakat)
stays within their own identity group.
(Qur'an 48:29, 3:28, Sharia)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Charity and Non-BelieversChristians are specifically told that even
those who hate them are entitled to
kindness and charity. They should be loved
and cared for as surely as any fellow believer.
(Mark 10:25-37)
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[TD="align: center"]The Qur'an explicitly instructs
men to beat disobedient wives.
(Qur'an 4:34, Sahih Muslim 2127)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Husbands, love your wives and
do not be harsh with them."
(No permission to beat women)
(Colossians 3:19)
[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Explicitly allows Muslim men to rape their female slaves, even those already married.
(Qur'an 4:24, 70:29-30, 23:5-6...)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Tells masters and slaves to serve
each other as if serving God.
(Ephesians 6:7-9)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Muhammad is the messenger
of Allah. And those who are with him
are ruthless to the unbelievers"
(Qur'an 48:29)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Do good to them that hate you"
(Luke 6:27)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Allah wills those that stray and are lost
(Qur'an 16:93)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]God wants all people saved
(1 Timothy 2:4)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Warns Against Questioning Faith.
(Qur'an 5:101-102)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Welcomes Intellectual Challenge.
(1 Peter 3:15)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Violence as Virtue"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye
dislike it. But it is possible that ye
dislike a thing which is good for you, and
that ye love a thing which is bad for you.
But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
(Qur'an 2:216)
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[TD="align: center"]Violence as Sin"Do not take revenge, my friends, but
leave room for God's wrath, for it is written:
'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' says the Lord. On the contrary: 'If your enemy
is hungry, feed him... '"
(Romans 12:19-20)
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[TD="align: center"]Hell for unbelief.
Good deeds count for naught
(Qur'an 18:102-107)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Hell for bad deeds and the
failure to do what is right
(Romans 2:6-8, Matthew 16:27, Matthew 25:41-45)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Judging"Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them..."
(Qur'an 9:73)
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[TD="align: center"]Judge Not"For when you pass judgment on another person, you condemn yourself..."
(Romans 2:1)
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[TD="align: center"]Taking wealth from others"Allah promiseth you much
booty that ye will capture..."
(Qur'an 48:20)
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[TD="align: center"]Working for and giving wealth to others"The thief must no longer steal but must
work hard and do what is good with his
own hands, so that he might have
something to give to the needy."
(Ephesians 4:28)
[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Calls down Allah's curse on Christians
and those of other religions.
(Qur'an 9:30)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Calls down God's blessing on
those who curse Christians.
(Matthew 5:44)[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Arrogance & Privilege
"Ye are the best of peoples,
evolved for mankind"
(Qur'an 3:110)
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[TD="align: center"]Humility & Servitude"If anyone wants to be first, he must make himself last of all and servant of all."
(Mark 9:35)
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[TD="align: center"]"O you who believe! do not take My
enemy and your enemy for friends:
Would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth?
(Qur'an 60:1)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Love your enemies..."
(Luke 6:27)[/TD]
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Sourced from:
Comparing Jesus and Muhammad, Christianity and Islam <~~~Link

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

There's really so much I can say, I'm not an expert or scholar of the religion.

Then why are you so fervently defending it, if you admittedly don't know much about it?

No one is saying that everyone who is Muslim is violent or a terrorist, but let's face it: peaceful Muslims are heretics; they are going against what their book teaches. And if you have to be a heretic to be peaceful, then that religion is violent. Bottom line.