Exercise 'not key to obesity fight'

[royalscot]

Exercise 'not key to obesity fight' - BBC News
Physical activity has little role in tackling obesity - and instead public health messages should squarely focus on unhealthy eating, doctors say.
In an editorial in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, three international experts said it was time to "bust the myth" about exercise.
They said while activity was a key part of staving off diseases such as diabetes, heart disease and dementia, its impact on obesity was minimal.
Instead excess sugar and carbohydrates were key.
The experts, including London cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra, blamed the food industry for encouraging the belief that exercise could counteract the impact of unhealthy eating.

 

[Willie-T]

Baloney. ...........

 

[royalscot]

eating to much, and not having exercise is always a answer, that the so called experts or reporters would give to the obesity fight. but with some of the people i know personally , they have used both diet, and exercise. as for an expert opinion , i will leave it in the so called experts hands to rhyme and reasoning, to explain there theory. thought it would give others, who are fighting this fight, an other view to the one they already have. etc

 

[Billyd]

Baloney. ...........

Amen! ...........

 

[dcontroversal]

Baloney. ...........

And a few other choice words left unsaid.......simple at the end of the day...BURN more calories than you TAKE IN.............!

 

[Angela53510]

Actually this is true! My father had a Ph.D in sports medicine, and all the studies showed that while exercise is good for you, it does not promote weight loss in obese people. However, it does help people maintain weight once they have lost. This has been known for a least 10 years, but it is not filtering down to the people.

Obesity is very hard to treat. Even cutting back on excess carbs. I lost a lot of weight about 10 years ago. I was exercising faithfully. But if I only exercised and didn't eat properly, I would gain. On the other hand, I could eat well, not exercise and I continued to lose weight consistently.

There are a lot of fallacies in the weight loss field these days. Esp. with regards to keeping the weight off.

 

[cinder]

But the questions people who preach weight loss = calories out - calories in never ask are why are people eating more calories than they're burning in the first place? How do you determine how many calories you are burning on a daily basis anyway? How much variation is there in that number? What affects it? And how did the human race ever manage to avoid obesity for thousands of years without knowing what a calorie was or being able to count them?

The story that is emerging and supported by a growing body of research goes something like:

In the 1950's there was concern about the growing number of heart attacks (probably actually linked to an increase in cigarette smoking). A researcher named Ansel Keyes thought that it might have something to do with the amounts of dietary fat people consumed and visited over 20 countries researching what people typically ate and comparing it with the incidence of heart attack. Then he published a very famous study known as the 7 countries study (apparently if he used all the data points from 20+ countries it was hard to see any correlation) that became the "proof" that dietary fat was related to heart disease. Soon governments were issuing dietary guidelines to reduce the amount of fat consumed, low fat products (that tasted worse and had more sugar added to make up for it) were introduced, and now we have an obesity and associated diseases epidemic even though people are eating less fat (usually replacing it with carbohydrates) and going to work out more than they used to.

I tried exercising to lose weight before and it never really worked, but since cutting out most of the carbohydrates in my diet 7 months ago, I've lost over 30 pounds and feel better than ever (you can find a lot of similar (actually much more impressive) testimonials online from people and from doctors who have seen great improvement in patients they're treating).

As people of faith though, we should be asking why we had more faith in and heeded the people in the white coats instead of God our creator to make us to enjoy eating the foods he naturally provided in the world, give us complex hormonal systems to regulate our appetites and metabolism for times of feast and famine so we eat just enough, and put everything we need to be healthy into the foods he provided for us? Do we really believe we're designed so poorly that we need to have all these scales and charts to count calories just so we can make sure we're getting the proper amount of food in our bodies or is it just possible that some of our modern "improvements" have only made things worse?

 

[RyBread]

Baloney. ...........

You should educate yourself on the topic before you blurt out ignorant remarks. You can start with a documentary called Fed Up. It's on Netflix.

 

[VioletReigns]

My neighbor struggled with obesity most of his life. He was almost 400 lbs. I was involved in weight training and nutrition so he asked me to help him lose weight. He told me he tried every diet and every exercise program since he was a teenager but was never able to successfully keep the weight off. I asked him what was his most difficult hurdle. He said fighting the urge to overeat.

So I put him on a program of measuring his carbs, proteins & fats. He could eat as much as he wanted, anytime he wanted, never having to go hungry so long as the foods he consumed balanced like so:
Carbs - 50% of daily calorie intake
Proteins - 20% of daily calorie intake
Fats - 30% of daily calorie intake

He could have no refined sugars, no packaged (over-processed) foods, and no fast foods till he was at his goal. Mostly what he ate were lean meats, vegetables, fruits, whole grains and nuts. He could have snacks but it all had to balance with his carbs/protein/fat calories. He bought most of his snacks from the health food store. And he drank 6 to 8 glasses of water every day.

He was too overweight to do much exercise. He was a smoker to boot and had difficulty breathing and was afraid over exertion would put a strain on his heart. So I suggested walking each day, and deep breathing exercise.

He lost over 100 lbs in less than 6 months and was ecstatic that he could keep it off easily by eating healthy and just walking. He never gained it back during the time that I knew him.

 

[MarcR]

Back in 1981 I had a skating accident. In the course of 17 months in a series of casts, I gained 130 lbs and contracted type 2 diabetes. I still have chronic tendonitis.

A nutritionist put me on a diet similar to the one recommended by Violet above; except that I was to cut out table salt and reduce to 20% or less and my protein was higher. I also lost 100 lbs and kept it off.

I was told that sometimes weight loss is difficult because the body's metabolism adjusts to the change in diet.

I was told that going off my diet once or twice a week on no regular schedule can help keep the metabolism from adjusting.

 

[maxwel]

I think the point of contention here is the word "key".
What is the KEY to dealing with obesity?

That really isn't a quantifiable term... so we need to start by being careful with semantics.

I don't think there is any question that you MUST burn more calories than you take in.
The question raised here, in the SPECIFIC case of obesity, is what is the "key".

If a person is unable to exercise, then starting with nutrition is the ONLY place you CAN start.
That doesn't make exercise irrelevant.

 

[Galahad]

Exercise 'not key to obesity fight' - BBC News
Physical activity has little role in tackling obesity - and instead public health messages should squarely focus on unhealthy eating, doctors say.
In an editorial in the British Journal of Sports Medicine, three international experts said it was time to "bust the myth" about exercise.
They said while activity was a key part of staving off diseases such as diabetes, heart disease and dementia, its impact on obesity was minimal.
Instead excess sugar and carbohydrates were key.
The experts, including London cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra, blamed the food industry for encouraging the belief that exercise could counteract the impact of unhealthy eating.

Every BODY is different.
OBESITY? Some folks are stuck with a dead metabolism. Sad to say.

One common denominator among sufferers of obesity is the lack of muscle. Why is that important? Because muscle burns fat.
How does an obese person build muscle? Don't know. Answer is not as simple as lift weights. Why? A number of reasons. There's technique, how to properly lift. Stress on heart. Even access to weights.

"The experts, including London cardiologist Dr Aseem Malhotra, blamed the food industry for encouraging the belief that exercise could counteract the impact of unhealthy eating." $ $ $ $

Any hope? Begin with family physician. Second opinion. Specialist. Nutritionist.

And most important: There's a day coming when those who are in Christ Jesus will be caught up in the air, and in that moment the body will be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. The change will be a most glorified one. Say goodbye to vanity, to implants, to teeth whiteners, to tummy tucks, liposuction, lifts, to nose reduction, to needles and knives.

In the mean time, God sees the heart. God loves ALL. And that includes ALL of YOU.

 

[royalscot]

years ago i heard a sermon on diet, the key facts for me, and still remains about that sermon, was not over weight, but just being 1-2 stone over weight , gives the heart much more work to do. ie more chance of strokes and heart attackies at an early age etc

 

[wwjd_kilden]

key to obesity or not, if one doesnt exercise thats bad for the body, no matter what your weight.

That being said, it is obvious that if you eat large amounts of junk food all day you will get fat even if you exercise.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

It's true that people who are above their recommended weight can lose it simply by changing their diet. If one's body size aligns with a 2,000 a calorie a day diet; for example, and they have been consuming 3,000 to 3,500 calories per day and become overweight they can drop to 1000 to 1,500 calories and begin losing weight.

I've watched people do this simply by eating one large meal of vegetables (with some rice) using spices (instead of fatty dressings and sauces), and eating a half a cup of popcorn with no-calorie/no-fat/no sugar seasoning throughout the day along with sparkling water, water, stevia flavored drinks, and diet soft drinks. They supplemented this with non-soy vegetable protein shakes and vitamins.

Voile` these sedentary people returned to a normal body weight. Mild exercise would have accelerated this process and produced a better muscle tone; however, the thing to remember about weight loss is that you don't want to do it too fast or you can end up with sagging skin. To mitigate that problem, lose weight more slowly and give your body time to adjust to what's happening. Which, of course, means if you're exercising you'll need to adjust your diet upwards accordingly so you don't lose weight too fast.

 

[Galahad]

You should educate yourself on the topic before you blurt out ignorant remarks. You can start with a documentary called Fed Up. It's on Netflix.

RYBread,

Are you angry? What is it about Willie-T's response you don't like? I am serious. I know it's just one word, but what is it that specifically bothers or troubles you about it?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Some of you might be old enough to remember the 1970's prescription diet pills, all of which are illegal and discontinued today. What teenager born in the 1950s or 1960s didn't "cop" a few from their mother's medicine cabinet from time to time... to help them focus on their mid-terms, of course... lol.

The absolute king of the hill was the biphetamine (amphetamine + dexamphetamine) otherwise simply known as the "black beauty" which Pennwalt manufactured up until 1976 (and later a couple other companies for awhile though in reduced form).

Given that they are no longer produced anywhere in the world and listed internationally as an illegal schedule II drug, you'll never find a real one.

But as one aging hipster wrote of them, a bottle of the highest potency Pennwalt black beauties (e.g. 60 pills was the standard prescription doctors wrote housewives all over the U.S. and Europe at that time) "was enough rocket fuel to send a trash can to Mars."

Lolol...

 

[ServantStrike]

It's true that people who are above their recommended weight can lose it simply by changing their diet. If one's body size aligns with a 2,000 a calorie a day diet; for example, and they have been consuming 3,000 to 3,500 calories per day and become overweight they can drop to 1000 to 1,500 calories and begin losing weight.

I've watched people do this simply by eating one large meal of vegetables (with some rice) using spices (instead of fatty dressings and sauces), and eating a half a cup of popcorn with no-calorie/no-fat/no sugar seasoning throughout the day along with sparkling water, water, stevia flavored drinks, and diet soft drinks. They supplemented this with non-soy vegetable protein shakes and vitamins.

Voile` these sedentary people returned to a normal body weight. Mild exercise would have accelerated this process and produced a better muscle tone; however, the thing to remember about weight loss is that you don't want to do it too fast or you can end up with sagging skin. To mitigate that problem, lose weight more slowly and give your body time to adjust to what's happening. Which, of course, means if you're exercising you'll need to adjust your diet upwards accordingly so you don't lose weight too fast.

The mild exercise is also extremely important for another reason.

Without exercise, people lose muscle in addition to fat when dieting. That muscle is important to maintain a healthy metabolism. Plus any kind of cardiovascular strain is good for the heart and mind.

 

[royalscot]

RYBread,

Are you angry? What is it about Willie-T's response you don't like? I am serious. I know it's just one word, but what is it that specifically bothers or troubles you about it?

what is more puzzling is, why a 53 year old,(galahad) would ask that question to rybread,

 

[Galahad]

what is more puzzling is, why a 53 year old,(galahad) would ask that question to rybread,

Because I don't want to Assume he's angry.