Christian Leaders Threaten Civil Disobedience Pending SCOTUS Gay Marriage Ruling

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Then the true church will go underground. The only church to remain will be the secular world church.

For the cause of Christ
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Then the true church will go underground. The only church to remain will be the secular world church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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This very well can be the direction we take.
 
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Guess I will meet in homes........heavily armed that is!
 
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the True Church, to some degree, is under-ground in this day and age -
they know who they are but most of the world do not have a clue to
know the difference.

yes, dc,
the 'home-church' must come about more and more for the
four-cornered, strip mall, new-age assemblies seem to be trying to
propagate the 'any-thing-goes gospel' and we are witnessing
how quickly and fervently and violently it is embraced.
 
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Ironic, isn't it, that the same types of debauchery, depravity, and personal degradation that fomented attitudes that began the persecution of the church at its beginning in Rome will now also be the types of sin that will begin the downfall of man and his judgment at the hands of an Almighty God?

Or maybe it isn't ...
 
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oldthennew said:
the True Church, to some degree, is under-ground in this day and age -
they know who they are but most of the world do not have a clue to
know the difference.

yes, dc,
the 'home-church' must come about more and more for the
four-cornered, strip mall, new-age assemblies seem to be trying to
propagate the 'any-thing-goes gospel' and we are witnessing
how quickly and fervently and violently it is embraced.
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I remember in the '60's and early '70's it was just a trickle (I was involved then) and was not even called the New Age, rather it was called the Occult.
 
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we hear you, Cross.

yes, we will always remember our terrible paths, they are reminders of our
precious, new, Holy Faith.

plus, a constant reminder of how loving and forgiving our Saviour
truly is.
 
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oldthennew said:
we hear you, Cross.

yes, we will always remember our terrible paths, they are reminders of our
precious, new, Holy Faith.

plus, a constant reminder of how loving and forgiving our Saviour
truly is.
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The point being the so called new age (from where a lot of these whacky ideas spring) is nothing but the Old Occult wrapped in sheep's clothing.
...Rebellion is the sin of Witchcraft which is exactly what it is.
 
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The point being the so called new age (from where a lot of these whacky ideas spring) is nothing but the Old Occult wrapped in sheep's clothing.
...Rebellion is the sin of Witchcraft which is exactly what it is.
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When it comes to same sex marriage the rebellion lies here...

Genesis 2:21-24
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
 
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In my understanding, to have a Constitutional right to SSM will open the door to lawsuits against our pastors for not marrying them for conscience sake. That is the issue.
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the political snakes, (in there view, i am platonic)
the problem about a snake,(work done before hand, to bring view to change ,then add them else s ware ,with greater consequences)(in there view) if its ok for 36 other constitutional states, then conscience has no part in the debate.(the law has already changed elses ware.) it will then follows the rest, ie political views and law makers.

ie no matter if your for or against this issue, the law has been changed (in there view) and now are saying to the usa people, like it or lump it.

going to court will cost money and politics has and will have an other way to sway the votes the next time there is a vote. so win or lose ,someone wins either way in a political world.







 
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I will never obey any governmental order to violate God's normative morality or the integrity of His Word. Any personal failings or struggles with sin I have are just that, nothing more.

Romans 13 Truth > Home
 
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crossnote said:
In my understanding, to have a Constitutional right to SSM will open the door to lawsuits against our pastors for not marrying them for conscience sake. That is the issue.
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the political snakes, (in there view, i am platonic)
the problem about a snake,(work done before hand, to bring view to change ,then add them else s ware ,with greater consequences)(in there view) if its ok for 36 other constitutional states, then conscience has no part in the debate.(the law has already changed elses ware.) it will then follows the rest, ie political views and law makers.

ie no matter if your for or against this issue, the law has been changed (in there view) and now are saying to the usa people, like it or lump it.

going to court will cost money and politics has and will have an other way to sway the votes the next time there is a vote. so win or lose ,someone wins either way in a political world.

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Yours strike me as a non answer.
 
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royalscot said:
the political snakes, (in there view, i am platonic)
the problem about a snake,(work done before hand, to bring view to change ,then add them else s ware ,with greater consequences)(in there view) if its ok for 36 other constitutional states, then conscience has no part in the debate.(the law has already changed elses ware.) it will then follows the rest, ie political views and law makers.

ie no matter if your for or against this issue, the law has been changed (in there view) and now are saying to the usa people, like it or lump it.

going to court will cost money and politics has and will have an other way to sway the votes the next time there is a vote. so win or lose ,someone wins either way in a political world.







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Some states are leaving it up to the individual churches on whether they want to be involved with SSM or not.

Which is the way it should be.

You know, religious freedom and all...

How can they get around the First Amendment? Its the very first one, for crying out loud...
 
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How can they get around the First Amendment? Its the very first one, for crying out loud...
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Why do you suppose there's so many stubbed toes and bruised knees in Washington? It's because they keep tripping over the First.

 
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A pastor needs to proclaim the gospel, and a pastor needs to teach the bible.
I think we should be very careful about what we are willing to go to jail for.

There is no place in the bible that says Christian ministers need to perform wedding ceremonies... at all.
I see a time coming where biblical churches will simply quit performing weddings.

If the government says not to teach the bible, or not to preach the gospel, then that's something worth going to jail over. But if we're talking about performing wedding ceremonies... that's not even in the bible.

If laws keep getting worse, and I'm sure they will, then it would be perfectly biblical for pastors to just stop performing ANY wedding ceremonies at all. That wouldn't violate any scripture.

If you say, "But we have to stand up for the truth!" Well yes, yes we do need to stand up for the truth, inasmuch as we are doing what the bible actually says. It's fine and legal to vote, or speak out, or work legally within our system. I can't see that it's biblical to break laws in order to avoid performing a ceremony that pastors are never mandated by scripture to perform.

There's a good chance things will eventually get so bad that a lot of Christians end up in jail.
Lets not be stupid.
If we end up in jail, lets end up there for BIBLICAL reasons... not just for issues that upset us.

By the way, if you honestly think that some Christian political protest is going to stop the tide of the lost world...
you're deluded. We are called to preach the gospel. If churches had been doing THAT for last 100 years, we wouldn't be in these messes. Some political protests aren't going to fix what a LACK OF THE GOSPEL has created.
 
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