Germany building a European army?

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Nautilus

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Seeing how europe is smaller than the us in size and population joining their armed forces into one actually makes a lot of sense when you have crazier by the day neighbors over in russia. But lets just be insane and say its the little horn because by golly that will get more views.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Interesting Miri, the same scenario was posed after WWI when Germany began militarizing again preceding WWII. The answer was no obviously that Germany was not the little horn (that time anyways); but here we go again and what does it mean?
 
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Miri

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I think you would have to live in Europe to appreciate how uncomfortable this prospect feels. There is no need for a European army as each country provides what is needed when it is needed, hence the European Union. If there was a European
Army then the question arises as to who would control it. They could be asked to take action which goes against the
polices of individual countries.

Individual countries have already ready lost a lot of power to Brussels. In the UK we have an imminent election happening
and one of the big topics is whether the UK should stay in th EU or not and/or claw back some of the legal powers it
has lost. Laws and decisions made in th UK are regularly over ruled in the EU already.

I have no doubt it is good for business and trade, but in other ways it's not so good.


Its also rather uncomfortable that this comes when there has been a lot in the media recently about a rise in anti semitism
in Europe generally. I'm not suggesting that Germany has any underlying motives, it's just the way things are
going is possibly a cause for concern, or at minimum there is a need to watch this space carefully.



Why Europe Has Trouble Fighting Anti-Semitism – Tablet Magazine


Europe Has a Problem With Virulent Anti-Semitism - US News



Jewish leader warns that anti-Semitism in Europe is "like the 1930s" - World - News - The Independent
 
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Miri

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Just a couple of examples of EU ruling, the first link especially is interesting, if you read further down the page
it refers to the following. The human rights act set out under EU legislation has good intent, but it often leads
to the strangest of decisions and there is no common sense.

Wouldn't want any strange decisions made in relation to an EU army and a lack of common sense.




European human rights rulings 'to be curbed' by Tories - BBC News

Humiliation for UK as Europe overrules finance veto | City A.M.
 
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ServantStrike

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Interesting Miri, the same scenario was posed after WWI when Germany began militarizing again preceding WWII. The answer was no obviously that Germany was not the little horn (that time anyways); but here we go again and what does it mean?
Well, they've already confiscated most of the guns throughout Europe - Hitler had to actually go and do that on his own, so I guess the next dictator has it a lot easier this time around if anything goes wrong.

I don't think Germany is the little horn though.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Agreed. Oceans between us tend to do that for some reason. BUT, though I'm in the states, I support UKIP all the way. Farage has the right idea how Europe should move forward imho.

I think you would have to live in Europe to appreciate how uncomfortable this prospect feels. There is no need for a European army as each country provides what is needed when it is needed, hence the European Union.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I would like to see European nations reverse those policies with common sense approaches that allow law abiding citizens without criminal records to buy all sorts of guns once again.

Well, they've already confiscated most of the guns throughout Europe...
 

crossnote

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Well my Grandma always said (who lived in London WWI, Belgium WWII) that Germany would start WWIII. Funny thing though, she was complicit with my mom in keeping secret the fact that my biological dad was German. (didn't find out til I was 48).
 

Desdichado

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We Americans are funny beasts. I'm not saying anything about anyone on here, but for years I have heard my fellow American conservatives complain about Germany and Japan not taking enough of the Free World's defensive slack.

Now that the Japanese are showing their biceps and the Germans are looking to lead a military coalition, many of the same people I know are complaining. Maybe they would be less jittery if this was all done within the context of a stronger NATO overall.
 

Desdichado

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Well my Grandma always said (who lived in London WWI, Belgium WWII) that Germany would start WWIII. Funny thing though, she was complicit with my mom in keeping secret the fact that my biological dad was German. (didn't find out til I was 48).
She reminds me this lady I knew when I lived in FL who swore that the Japanese were dead set on leveling the rest of the planet.
 

trofimus

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Seeing how europe is smaller than the us in size and population joining their armed forces into one actually makes a lot of sense when you have crazier by the day neighbors over in russia. But lets just be insane and say its the little horn because by golly that will get more views.
In fact, EU has population about 500 milion, US has population about 300 million.
 

trofimus

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I would like to see European nations reverse those policies with common sense approaches that allow law abiding citizens without criminal records to buy all sorts of guns once again.
They can, conditions differ in various countries, but you can mostly have a gun, you just need to register and pass tests from laws for that (something like driving license).
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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If true, Christians stand up everywhere and take note - the little horn?
Or a logical response to worldwide terrorism.
 

prove-all

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-March 1957 brought a, (The Treaty of Rome), a revival to former rome.
Treaty of Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

officially the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community,
that led to the founding of the European Economic Community (EEC)
European Economic Community - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

signed 25 March 1957 by Belgium,France,Italy,Luxembourg,Netherlands,
and West Germany. Maastricht Treaty followed, amended by
the treaties of Amsterdam, Nice and now Lisbon treaty.
Treaty of Lisbon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-In June of 1991, the Bundestag voted to move its capitol from Bonn back
to imperial Berlin, headquarters of the Second and Third Reich.

The Reichstag, Adolf Hitler’s seat of hate,completely renovated in
anticipation of thier. (parliament) to the (Reichstag).
Berlin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reichstag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bundeswehr is the unified armed forces of Germany and their
civil administration and procurement authorities
Bundeswehr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a federal authority of Germany. It reports to the Federal Min. of the Interior
Federal Statistical Office of Germany


-on 1 December 2009 upon the entry into force of (the Treaty of Lisbon),
when the EU obtained a consolidated legal personality.

the (Roman empire) has became oficially alive again,in europe (NOW).

The parliamentary term (Reichstag) was first used in association with
the (Holy Roman Empire). the building from where Hitler launched a war that
cost about 50 million lives.

German Parliaments met from 1894 to 1933 and again now since 1999

-The Imperial Regalia, insignia, or crown jewels, the regalia of
the Emperors and Kings of the Holy Roman Empire.


yes the little horn is rising in power again in europe,

and the king of the south [iran -islam] is pushing
at the king of the north [germany]
who is head over europe [the roman kingdom]

they will look like a lamb to help, but will not be good in the end
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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-March 1957 brought a, (The Treaty of Rome), a revival to former rome.
Treaty of Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Really? Then why is the "capitol" (there is no official such site) of the EU in Belgium instead of Italy?
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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you are confusing Rome[a city] with the roman empire[europe]
Seventy-five percent of Europe was never under Roman rule, therefore the EU is not "the reconstituted Roman Empire."

And if you believe it is the old Roman Empire that represents the antichrist's base of power, the capitol would be in Rome. It won't be.
 
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KennethC

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This is the area the Roman empire covered, but the EU is another of many distractions to take the focus of the real area the bible points to for the man of sin and the 10 kingdoms that follow him.

The bible says the king of the north for another name for him, and also pin points Turkey in Revelation 2:13,13:2.
 

prove-all

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Seventy-five percent of Europe was never under Roman rule, therefore the EU is not "the reconstituted Roman Empire."

And if you believe it is the old Roman Empire that represents the antichrist's base of power, the capitol would be in Rome. It won't be.
again with the establishment of [the treaty of rome], E.C.C. has became [the roman empire] again today