Climate change risk to 'one in six species'

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Climate change isn't even a thing. Yes, we should look after the environment. Yes, we should be sensible, but also we need to understand creation has natural cycles and these have been buggered up ever since the Fall of Mankind and especially since the Great Flood occurred.
 
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how and when, did cars and planes evolve from the flood. or volcano that erupt , at what point in time, did the topic climate change began to be talked about. when did you know there was a ozone layer. did this come about by writers of the bible.
pollution that can bring destruction to man or animal could lead to what.
 
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Worse is the fact that climate change represents only one aspect of what's informally coming to be known as the anthropocene extinction event. After taking human overpopulation and its immediate effects into account (i.e. agriculture, urban sprawl, deforestation, et cetera), it's quite possible that as much as one-half or more of Earth's higher life will become extinct within the next 80 years.

It's estimated that human influence is causing extinction rates to soar 10 - 100 times past those caused by previous mass extinctions, which means the beginning of the sixth mass extinction -- one that can be characterized by human activity on the environment -- is already underway. Even worse is the fact that extinction rates will continue to accelerate rapidly as ecosystems become more fragmented and less diverse and resilient to increasingly catastrophic human influence.
 
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how and when, did cars and planes evolve from the flood. or volcano that erupt , at what point in time, did the topic climate change began to be talked about. when did you know there was a ozone layer. did this come about by writers of the bible.
pollution that can bring destruction to man or animal could lead to what.
Can you please write coherent sentences. I don't understand your whole post, but I'll do my best to answer you.
Cars and plans didn't evolve from the Flood. Nothing evolved and technology isn't biological. The Flood did great violence to the earth. There was great volcanic activity and tsunami activity and who knows what else. The great continental drift occurred during Noah's Flood, roughly 4,500 years ago (if it happened longer ago, it would've been too destructive for anyone and anything to survive). Nothing was quite the same post-Flood. No, the Bible doesn't tell me that there's an ozone layer. The Bible's not a science book but a history book played out using different genres. Still, it most certainly contains science.
 
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Climate change isn't even a thing.
Err, says who? The overwhelming majority of those that have any authoritative qualification to speak on the matter agree that climate change is happening today, and is being caused primarily by human activity in the form of widespread ecological change and devastation and the influx of heat-trapping greenhouse gases. Doubts over anthropogenic climate change have been repeatedly and exhaustively refuted by the scientific community as they've arisen.
 
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Consensus science isn't always truth. Just so you know. People are fallible. Just like overpopulation isn't a thing. It is in certain areas of the world eg. India and China, but there's plenty of room for everyone if you factor in how much land there is. We just need to share our resources and land more evenly.
 
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It is simple, you don't need a pretentious scientist or questionable institution to prove climate change exists. It is even self-evident. It is not as supernatural as some theories touted as "science" claim it to be. It is not unreal like the deniers claim though. Bible says bluntly in Genesis, both before the Flood and afterwards, that man was given dominion by God over the animals and plants. That means man can effect climate change.

Think simple.

Over-hunting animals = Climate change

Animal husbandry = Climate change

Cutting down a forest = Climate change

Planting a garden = Climate change
 
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Can you please write coherent sentences. I don't understand your whole post, but I'll do my best to answer you.
Cars and plans didn't evolve from the Flood. Nothing evolved and technology isn't biological. The Flood did great violence to the earth. There was great volcanic activity and tsunami activity and who knows what else. The great continental drift occurred during Noah's Flood, roughly 4,500 years ago (if it happened longer ago, it would've been too destructive for anyone and anything to survive). Nothing was quite the same post-Flood. No, the Bible doesn't tell me that there's an ozone layer. The Bible's not a science book but a history book played out using different genres. Still, it most certainly contains science.
i will write the way i please, if you cant follow, then dont respond to my comments.
can you follow, thinking out side the box.
can you answer what time frame are we in.(2015) who made cars, who told you about change. who can fix a dying planet.
so can the reporter fix a dying planet, or how did the world get so polluted in the first place.

ware did you learn about noahs flood, (1500 ad is when the bible went to print.) how many people are alive still from the 66 books that are in the bible. understanding about different topic has to be passed down some how, ie book or speaking to someone , or being taught by someone. etc
 

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Climate change risk to 'one in six species' - BBC News

One in six species on the planet could face extinction if nothing is done to tackle climate change, analysis suggests.
the key phrase is analysis suggest. this is what the bulk of the climate change theory is: suggestion. now if you took all the things that have been predicted over the last 15 years and saw how many actually came to pass, very few did. so remember, suggestions, might be's , could happen's are not facts.
 
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Consensus science isn't always truth. Just so you know. People are fallible.
Scientific consensus isn't always correct, but it's always the best answer we have at the moment. Over time, scientific consensus changes to become more correct. To dismiss science because people are fallible begs the question, if not science then who? The fact studied professionals might be wrong about things means you should automatically assume people who aren't studied are correct? This doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. That's exactly like saying professional football players sometimes make errors, therefore it's better to put your money on the team that's never played football before.

There's an essay called Relativity of Wrong by Isaac Asimov. I'll quote a portion of the essay but it's quite important for you to give the entire thing a read. Don't worry, it's not very long at all: Asimov - The Relativity of Wrong

The young specialist in English Lit, having quoted me, went on to lecture me severely on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood the universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern "knowledge" is that it is wrong. The young man then quoted with approval what Socrates had said on learning that the Delphic oracle had proclaimed him the wisest man in Greece. "If I am the wisest man," said Socrates, "it is because I alone know that I know nothing." the implication was that I was very foolish because I was under the impression I knew a great deal.

My answer to him was, "John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."
Keep in mind, the earth is an oblate spheroid.

It is simple, you don't need a pretentious scientist or questionable institution to prove climate change exists. It is even self-evident. It is not as supernatural as some theories touted as "science" claim it to be.
When I read this, I hear, "I don't get how science works, therefore I'll assume scientists are making their claims up." It's like denying the existence of televisions because you don't know how they work. I mean, sending an image through electrical currents? Saving data onto bits of metal? Magnets? I don't get it, therefore it's supernatural nonsense!
 
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the key phrase is analysis suggest. this is what the bulk of the climate change theory is: suggestion. now if you took all the things that have been predicted over the last 15 years and saw how many actually came to pass, very few did. so remember, suggestions, might be's , could happen's are not facts.
sorry but dose an animal need air to live , take that up with speculation.see a t rex only showed it need air, when did you buy pass blow air into them dead bones,
 
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When I read this, I hear, "I don't get how science works, therefore I'll assume scientists are making their claims up." It's like denying the existence of televisions because you don't know how they work. I mean, sending an image through electrical currents? Saving data onto bits of metal? Magnets? I don't get it, therefore it's supernatural nonsense!
I get how science works and how it doesn't. Word supernatural is simply something that is natural that is super (ie: a tornado is a supernatural wind.) This is not to be confused with that which is spiritual (ie: miracles, blessings, etc.)

The examples you just used aren't even natural or supernatural, they are artificial, being made by man.
 
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Here is something to ponder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7IzvcVa53A
[video=youtube;Q7IzvcVa53A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7IzvcVa53A[/video]

How many died from man made climate change that caused unproven supernatural changes (ie: global warming, green house gases, etc.)?

How many died from provable and localized man made climate change (ie: over-hunting, localized habitat destruction, etc.)?

I ain't denying climate change, I just do not think it is as supernatural as some unproven or disproven theories touted as science claim. Yea, and those outlandish theories only serve to turn people off to caring about this very real issue. We don't need to throw the scientific baby out with the bath water though. Just need to get back to pragmatism.
 
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I get how science works and how it doesn't. Word supernatural is simply something that is natural that is super (ie: a tornado is a supernatural wind.) This is not to be confused with that which is spiritual (ie: miracles, blessings, etc.)

The examples you just used aren't even natural or supernatural, they are artificial, being made by man.
For starters, scientists don't use the word supernatural in this regard. It's just called natural - there's no reason to refer to it as "super".

As for my analogy, whether it's man made or not doesn't really matter - the point would remain equally as valid. But since you're using a different definition for the word supernatural, then I'll concede that my analogy does not address your claim. However, I would like to state once again that your use of the word supernatural is pointless. It tries to categorize one natural phenomena as being inherently different from another one based on vague criteria. The thing is, all natural phenomena are equally natural relative to one another.

Here is something to ponder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7IzvcVa53A

How many died from man made climate change that caused unproven supernatural changes (ie: global warming, green house gases, etc.)?

How many died from provable and localized man made climate change (ie: over-hunting, localized habitat destruction, etc.)?

I ain't denying climate change, I just do not think it is as supernatural as some unproven or disproven theories touted as science claim. Yea, and those outlandish theories only serve to turn people off to caring about this very real issue. We don't need to throw the scientific baby out with the bath water though. Just need to get back to pragmatism.
Keep in mind that the negative effects of global warming and other issues such as deforestation may not be immediately obvious. For example, we've seen a very concerning drop in bee population these past few years. But you still see honey fully stocked on store shelves, so clearly we don't have to be worried, right? This is, unfortunately, how many people think of resources. But if you understand basic economic principle, you can more accurately assess the issue. If you pay attention to the price of honey, you'll notice that prices have shot way up (taking inflation into account). There are numerous reasons why the price might go up, and declining bee populations isn't necessarily the reason. However, a decline in bee populations would result in raising honey prices.

The point I'm trying to make with the bee population is that the negative effects of animal depopulation may not seem obvious. This is because the market compensates for this shortcoming. The rise in prices results in lower demand, as well as more money that can be used to expand efforts to breed larger bee populations (It's easier said than done). If bee populations continue to dwindle, we'll continue to see higher honey prices.

So if I understand you correctly, you're wrong to suggest these issues are being blown out of proportion. We're fortunate as a species to have discovered many different ways to survive. So with some animals extinct, we can simply move onto another animal. But certain resources are vital to our survival.

When was the last time you ate a Gros Michel banana? Chances are, you haven't. The Gros Michel was widely wiped out in the 1950s, leaving us with the Cavendish banana. Not necessarily a man-made problem, but it's an issue I could think of off the top of my head that highlights how vulnerable we are to the extinction of species. Fortunately, through science, we still have the Cavendish.

If you want to learn more about Climate change, watch this series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo&list=PL36DD12D3AC5274E4

[video=youtube;52KLGqDSAjo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo&list=PL36DD12D3AC5274E4[/video]

And here's some incentive for you to watch these videos. Part 3 actually busts someone I personally admire, Penn Jillette.

If you want to tell me how "supernatural" climate change has been unproven or disproven, watch Potholer's video series on climate change. You will get a brief explanation of the actual controversies within the scientific community (as of the time he released the videos in 2008 - 2010). More importantly, you will learn about perpetuated myths spewed by the media under the guise of science.
 
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There are numerous reasons why the price might go up, and declining bee populations isn't necessarily the reason. However, a decline in bee populations would result in raising honey prices.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying bee populations are not the reason honey prices have gone up. I'm merely stating that the price of goods can go up for numerous reasons. So looking at the price of honey alone can't dictate whether or not bee populations are beginning to dwindle. But we can view the rising prices as an effect of dwindling populations.
 
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@Percepi

Firstly on the semantics of supernatural. This is not my own self-made terminology. Literally, the word supernatural means above natural, or that which is natural and also super. Natural means to pertain to nature. Super means above normal. If you want to distinguish it from the newer meaning of supernatural, we can call it meganatural.

On global warming, I'm not going to get side tracked in that pointless debate after this post. Man hasn't even been keeping temperature records long enough to prove it. Your own video shows the theories, these are even taught in public schools, but it doesn't prove them. It even ends in the conclusion that basically they think global warming exists solely on quack consensus, for which they even ironically admit there is not even actually a consensus as there be opponents to it.

My point is that the meganatural debate is a pointless distraction. I don't think either side really cares about climate change. The quack side cares about their theories, their institutions, and money. The denier side cares about their theories, their institutions, and money.

Man made climate change is not a theory. The effects of it are obvious.

Another good example is the city of Linfen.
Anyone can argue all day whether Linfen is causing global warming and they will never be able to prove it, and the argument basically goes nowhere.
There is no way to deny though that you can see the localized climate change, you can see it is man-made, and you can see the obvious consequences of it.

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4DtOhe2LfQ

[video=youtube;q4DtOhe2LfQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4DtOhe2LfQ[/video]

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d-Ky7Se-v8
 
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So only things that are blatantly obvious can be proven. So physics, chemistry, and astronomy are all worthless investments since our understandings of these fields can't be proven in an "obvious" manner that a lay person can easily understand...

Got it.
 
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So only things that are blatantly obvious can be proven. So physics, chemistry, and astronomy are all worthless investments since our understandings of these fields can't be proven in an "obvious" manner that a lay person can easily understand...

Got it.
No, I didn't say that. Though on that topic, all investment is based on belief. You can invest in anything from stocks in a business to something as simple as investing love into your family. You can invest pragmatically or you can invest unrealistically. Whether you'll get a profit from your investment, be it money, love, time, results, etc., is a whole other matter.
 

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8 yrs ago today the chicken little alarmists, and those looking to destroy capitalsm, and push global socialism, and consolidate their power over humanity, said we only had 8 yrs left before the worst effects of global warming could be avoided. Decent, truth seeking people all over the world MUST keep pointing out how foolish, wrong, and destructive these people are, and mitigate the numbers of low info citizenry that believe the hoax:
UN scientists warn time is running out to tackle global warming | Environment | The Guardian