Abortion

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Many Christians believe that life begins once the egg has been fertilized (conception) and once the process begins then it's a life growing inside the womb. Any way for this process to be disturbed or stopped which abortion means that the person performing the task involves pills to disrupt the fetus development and then tools to take it out and potentially as it has been reported of making the fetus make violent jerks and movements that can prove that it feels the pain out of the process, therefore killing the life that was started and growing inside the mother.
 

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For a government to give the right to a woman to murder her child is spitting in God's face.

God only meant the Govt to exercise the death penalty in the case of one person murdering another...not to an innocent child.

It's another example where the Government usurps God's law and in it's stead establishes man's law.

We as a country are just as guilty as Nazi Germany in murdering millions of innocent lives and in our silence even more so.


But we go on our merry way.

Sickening.
 
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Abortion is a major reason why God's judgements is upon America and we are paying the price for it. Also, Satan's wrath is taken out upon the innocent and upon those who possess Christ.

I can't sleep y'all.
 
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Historical Abortion Stats: Remember the government support abortions in poor countries also and have abortion clinics established in those countries.



  1. [h=3]Historical abortion statistics, United States - Johnston's Archive[/h]www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html



    Feb 8, 2015 - Abortion statistics and other data--Johnston`s Archive ..... U.S. CensusBureau, 1968, Statistical Abstract of the United States, 1968, U.S. GPO ...


 

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Historical Abortion Stats: Remember the government support abortions in poor countries also and have abortion


  1. Historical abortion statistics, United States - Johnston's Archive

    www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-unitedstates.html




    Feb 8, 2015 - Abortion statistics and other data--Johnston`s Archive ..... U.S. CensusBureau, 1968, Statistical Abstract of the United States, 1968, U.S. GPO ...
interesting % have dipped some. Do those stats reflect such prescriptions as RU486
and other abortion pills?
 
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Many Christians believe that life begins once the egg has been fertilized (conception) and once the process begins then it's a life growing inside the womb. Any way for this process to be disturbed or stopped which abortion means that the person performing the task involves pills to disrupt the fetus development and then tools to take it out and potentially as it has been reported of making the fetus make violent jerks and movements that can prove that it feels the pain out of the process, therefore killing the life that was started and growing inside the mother.
The term fetus dehumanizes the human being in the womb. Its a very deliberate tactic by pro-abortionists to validate their evil ways. Killing a human being is atrocious; killing a fetus -- not so much. Always, always, always refer to the human being in the womb as a human being.
 

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If abortion was the only sin committed Jesus still would have come and died giving His saving grace for those who had abortions. Thank God for His grace of which I partake and accept with gratefulness in my heart having had an abortion over 30 years ago. God forgives even when we sin and make mistakes. Praise God He has forgiven me and any other repentant woman who has had an abortion.... There is hope in Jesus.
 
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The term fetus dehumanizes the human being in the womb. Its a very deliberate tactic by pro-abortionists to validate their evil ways. Killing a human being is atrocious; killing a fetus -- not so much. Always, always, always refer to the human being in the womb as a human being.
Actually, the term is medical in nature and in no way is meant to dehumanize a child in the womb. My wife is a NICU nurse, has been for over 40 years, and she and her co-workers use the term, among others, regularly. Trust me, you will rarely if ever find a NICU nurse who believes in abortion, because they know the life within each mother is precious and valuable.

The term refers to a child not yet viable outside the womb, and applies to anyone between eight and 30 weeks from birth. Before eight weeks, the child is an "embryo" by medical terminology, and after 30 weeks is an in utero infant. Though viability has been pushed all the way back to as little as 24 weeks, the term remains useful for discussion of patient condition, because obviously these wonderful nurses and doctors who protect and defend life both before and after the womb, regardless of when the "after" comes about, would prefer a child remain in utero full term, and they do everything to fight for that child's survivability in the womb.

By the same token, if mother or baby are in distress, physically ill, even biologically unmatched and therefore "battling" each others' bodies, baby must come out, and after that, my wife, her co-workers, the doctors and other medical staff fight equally hard to see to it the child survives.

Yes, they call it a "fetus" before 30 weeks, but that has nothing to do with "dehumanizing" the child whatsoever. It refers to the child's ability to survive either where he or she is, or where he or she might need to be -- i.e., in a clean, safe environment outside the mother's body -- in order to survive.
 
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Point well taken, VW, and for medical purposes the term is indeed valid. The point I was making is that the Left has taken the term and run with it for their own purposes.

God bless your wife and her colleagues. What she does is nothing less than a beautiful ministry.
 
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If abortion was the only sin committed Jesus still would have come and died giving His saving grace for those who had abortions. Thank God for His grace of which I partake and accept with gratefulness in my heart having had an abortion over 30 years ago. God forgives even when we sin and make mistakes. Praise God He has forgiven me and any other repentant woman who has had an abortion.... There is hope in Jesus.
Praise the Lord for His good work in you.
 
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We as a country are just as guilty as Nazi Germany in murdering millions of innocent lives and in our silence even more so.

But we go on our merry way.

Sickening.
Not to mention about the support of gun restrictions and bans when there's been a fine worldwide repeated result as to what happens when taken away our right for protection. Meanwhile we go on riots and complain about police brutality and expect more/bigger government interventions.
 

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Actually, the term is medical in nature and in no way is meant to dehumanize a child in the womb. My wife is a NICU nurse, has been for over 40 years, and she and her co-workers use the term, among others, regularly. Trust me, you will rarely if ever find a NICU nurse who believes in abortion, because they know the life within each mother is precious and valuable.

The term refers to a child not yet viable outside the womb, and applies to anyone between eight and 30 weeks from birth. Before eight weeks, the child is an "embryo" by medical terminology, and after 30 weeks is an in utero infant. Though viability has been pushed all the way back to as little as 24 weeks, the term remains useful for discussion of patient condition, because obviously these wonderful nurses and doctors who protect and defend life both before and after the womb, regardless of when the "after" comes about, would prefer a child remain in utero full term, and they do everything to fight for that child's survivability in the womb.

By the same token, if mother or baby are in distress, physically ill, even biologically unmatched and therefore "battling" each others' bodies, baby must come out, and after that, my wife, her co-workers, the doctors and other medical staff fight equally hard to see to it the child survives.

Yes, they call it a "fetus" before 30 weeks, but that has nothing to do with "dehumanizing" the child whatsoever. It refers to the child's ability to survive either where he or she is, or where he or she might need to be -- i.e., in a clean, safe environment outside the mother's body -- in order to survive.
All well and good but don't you find it interesting that the anti-lifers ONLY use the term 'fetus' and never child or unborn child? The left are masters at redefining reality by word play.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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All well and good but don't you find it interesting that the anti-lifers ONLY use the term 'fetus' and never child or unborn child? The left are masters at redefining reality by word play.
It is interesting, but word games don't change the facts. We've had people at church frown at my wife for using the term "fetus" but in reality, by medical fact and proper definition, that is what a child between eight and 30 weeks is, and I don't expect her to stop using the terminology of her profession because some Christians take offense at its misuse by people who not only aren't in her profession but are also far from qualified to use the term and certainly unqualified to define it.

The actual medical definition is that of a viable child in utero between those ages. Let the knuckleheads who want to try to dehumanize the child do what they will. They won't change the actually medical facts by deliberately misusing and misdefining the word. Thanks.
 
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It is interesting, but word games don't change the facts. We've had people at church frown at my wife for using the term "fetus" but in reality, by medical fact and proper definition, that is what a child between eight and 30 weeks is, and I don't expect her to stop using the terminology of her profession because some Christians take offense at its misuse by people who not only aren't in her profession but are also far from qualified to use the term and certainly unqualified to define it.

The actual medical definition is that of a viable child in utero between those ages. Let the knuckleheads who want to try to dehumanize the child do what they will. They won't change the actually medical facts by deliberately misusing and misdefining the word. Thanks.
I don't expect nor want the med profession to change their terms.
My beef is the left's deliberate manipulation of language to change the public's perception...in this case exclusively using the terms fetus or tissue and never child.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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I don't expect nor want the med profession to change their terms.
My beef is the left's deliberate manipulation of language to change the public's perception...in this case exclusively using the terms fetus or tissue and never child.
I understand that, and support your beef. I've even got barbeque sauce for it.



I guess my point is, if the public was not generally ignorant -- no offense intended to anyone around these parts -- they wouldn't be fooled by the left's manipulative language.